On 19/06/2014 14:18, ken wrote:

Mizter T wrote:

On 18/06/2014 13:31, ken wrote:
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The eternal problem that anyone waiting for a bus needs to solve is that
if the service is supposedly every X minutes and the peson has been
waiting X x 3 minutes, does it mean that a bus is going to come at any
moment or does it mean that a disaster or event has occurred and the bus
is not coming at all.

The fantastic TfL Countdown service normally gives a pretty good
estimate of the arrival time of the next bus, if you're in that
situation.

Despite East Croydon being a major bus interchange there is no countdown
service operating there.

The Countdown service operates everywhere in Greater London and beyond
(across all TfL bus routes), but there are only public display signs at
selected stops - though why East Croydon's bus stops haven't (yet) been
included I can't say.

Countdown can be accessed via...x
http://countdown.tfl.gov.uk/

....the mobile version of the site is...
http://m.countdown.tfl.gov.uk/

....via a text (SMS) response service...
https://www.tfl.gov.uk/modes/buses/live-bus-arrivals#on-this-page-1

....and via many different apps for smartphones & mobile devices (the
underlying realtime data is free to access).

On 19/06/2014 14:24, ken wrote:
Arthur Figgis wrote:
On 18/06/2014 13:31, ken wrote:

The headlines of the Evening Standard last night was "POLICE FAILED TO
STOP DEATH RAVE" and follows with a story about how a boy died from
drinking beer laced with ketamine after attending an illegal rave. The
police are under scrutiny for not attempting to stop the rave which
apparently started on Saturday night going on to early hours of Sunday
Morning. What the police did do was to tape out a crime scene at 08:15
on Sunday Morning outside East Croydon railway station which prevented
any trams or buses from moving. It didn't involve the railway service
but anyone disembarking from a train with the intention of continuing
journey by bus or tram would have been stuck.

The tram indicators were operating as normal, this destination x
minutes, that destination y minutes, and no indication that anything had
happened. I presume that must have been the same throughout the nework.

By about 11:15 the PIDs were showing things were in a mess. And at East
Croydon, the countless policemen, Tramlink staff and people having a
look to see what was happening made it pretty clear things were broken.

Yes I know it was obvious that things were broken. But it wouldn't have
been so obvious for someone waiting at, say, Sandilands. Do you happen
to know when the scene was untaped and buses and trams were alloed to
continue?

No, I came back a different way. It could probably be discovered from
the Tramlink Twitter feed, if you are really keen to know.


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Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK