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I'm fine at showing people best routes to use on the Underground but
does anyone have any ideas about the most useful ten/twenty bus routes to learn? The ones I know well are, 279, 253, 29, 8 (plus 25 and other local ones) TIA -- Kat Me, Ambivalent? Well, yes and no. |
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In message , Kat
writes I'm fine at showing people best routes to use on the Underground but does anyone have any ideas about the most useful ten/twenty bus routes to learn? The ones I know well are, 279, 253, 29, 8 (plus 25 and other local ones) TIA For East-West transport across Central London I find the 11 and 9 especially useful, rather "plugging a gap" not filled by the tube. Add the 15 and 25 to that list. The 13 is another useful link for the same reason, from Strand/Charing Cross/Trafalgar Square to Oxford Street. (I know that the Bakerloo does much the same job but I often find people prefer to use the bus if they're not familiar with London. Some might find that odd but it allows a journey to become a sightseeing experience, too and a surprising number of visitors have an apparent fear of going on the Tube.) -- Ian Jelf, MITG, Birmingham, UK Registered "Blue Badge" Tourist Guide for London & the Heart of England http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk |
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I'm fine at showing people best routes to use on the Underground but does anyone have any ideas about the most useful ten/twenty bus routes to learn? The ones I know well are, 279, 253, 29, 8 (plus 25 and other local ones) TIA Where are you based? I have an almost encyclopaedic knowledge of my local buses but few emerge from the 'other side' of Central London. The longish haul buses are probably most useful (let's hope the routes don't get chopped or split...) 13 Aldwych to Golders Green 82 Victoria to North Finchley 113 Edgware to Oxford Circus 207/607 Uxbridge to Shepherds Bush 16 Cricklewood to Victoria, 32 Edgware to Kilburn Park, N16 Edgware to Victoria You can see where I'm coming from... -- Helen D. Vecht: Edgware. |
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On Fri, 6 Feb 2004 14:16:37 +0000, Kat wrote:
I'm fine at showing people best routes to use on the Underground but does anyone have any ideas about the most useful ten/twenty bus routes to learn? The ones I know well are, 279, 253, 29, 8 (plus 25 and other local ones) TIA Well it depends where your going! The maps at http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/bus_maps.shtml are quite handy though. Steve |
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In message , Helen Deborah Vecht
writes Kat typed I'm fine at showing people best routes to use on the Underground but does anyone have any ideas about the most useful ten/twenty bus routes to learn? The ones I know well are, 279, 253, 29, 8 (plus 25 and other local ones) TIA Where are you based? I have an almost encyclopaedic knowledge of my local buses but few emerge from the 'other side' of Central London. The longish haul buses are probably most useful (let's hope the routes don't get chopped or split...) 13 Aldwych to Golders Green 82 Victoria to North Finchley 113 Edgware to Oxford Circus 207/607 Uxbridge to Shepherds Bush 16 Cricklewood to Victoria, 32 Edgware to Kilburn Park, N16 Edgware to Victoria You can see where I'm coming from... Thanks Helen; that's exactly the sort of info I'm after. -- Kat Me, Ambivalent? Well, yes and no. |
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"Kat" wrote in message
... I'm fine at showing people best routes to use on the Underground but does anyone have any ideas about the most useful ten/twenty bus routes to learn? The ones I know well are, 279, 253, 29, 8 (plus 25 and other local ones) TIA Prehaps the Ex-StationLink routes (is it 205 & 207) -- To reply direct, remove NOSPAM and replace with railwaysonline For Train Information, The Latest News & Best photos around check out the Award Winning Railways Online at http://www.railwaysonline.co.uk "Hating Thames Trains since 2003" |
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Kat wrote:
I'm fine at showing people best routes to use on the Underground but does anyone have any ideas about the most useful ten/twenty bus routes to learn? The ones I know well are, 279, 253, 29, 8 (plus 25 and other local ones) TIA One of my faves: 19 Finsbury Park Highbury Angel Tott Ct Rd Picc Circ Piccadilly Hyde Park COrner Knightsbridge Sloane Square Battersea |
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"Dave Newt" wrote in message
... One of my faves: 19 Finsbury Park Battersea My favourite is the 309, because it goes from London's most polluted estate (by Abbott Road) to the London Chest Hospital. -- John Rowland - Spamtrapped Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001 http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood. That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line - It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes |
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"John Rowland" wrote the
following in: "Dave Newt" wrote in message ... One of my faves: 19 Finsbury Park Battersea My favourite is the 309, because it goes from London's most polluted estate (by Abbott Road) to the London Chest Hospital. The dirty minded school children's favourite is the 69. I never would have though my local bus route could cause so much amusement until I witnessed it. -- message by Robin May, enforcer of sod's law. The Hutton Report is a whitewash! Long live the BBC! Crime is confusing. |
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In message , Robin May
writes The dirty minded school children's favourite is the 69. I never would have though my local bus route could cause so much amusement until I witnessed it. Thanks for all your ideas; I'm making a note of them. -- Kat Me, Ambivalent? Well, yes and no. |
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Robin May wrote:
"John Rowland" wrote the following in: "Dave Newt" wrote in message ... One of my faves: 19 Finsbury Park Battersea My favourite is the 309, because it goes from London's most polluted estate (by Abbott Road) to the London Chest Hospital. The dirty minded school children's favourite is the 69. I never would have though my local bus route could cause so much amusement until I witnessed it. Your local? Where are you? The 69 stops at the end of my road, so I try to get it as often as I can. :-) |
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Dave Newt wrote the
following in: Robin May wrote: "John Rowland" wrote the following in: "Dave Newt" wrote in message ... One of my faves: 19 Finsbury Park Battersea My favourite is the 309, because it goes from London's most polluted estate (by Abbott Road) to the London Chest Hospital. The dirty minded school children's favourite is the 69. I never would have though my local bus route could cause so much amusement until I witnessed it. Your local? Where are you? The 69 stops at the end of my road, so I try to get it as often as I can. My closest stops are the Grange Road/Upper Road ones. Where are yours? There are a few times when I've caught it all the way home from Walthamstow Central. I often catch it home from Canning Town station and I know the area between Canning Town and City Airport quite well. I think that I probably know it better than any other bus route apart from maybe the 91. -- message by Robin May, enforcer of sod's law. The Hutton Report is a whitewash! Long live the BBC! Crime is confusing. |
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On Sun, 8 Feb 2004, Dave Newt wrote:
Robin May wrote: The dirty minded school children's favourite is the 69. I never would have though my local bus route could cause so much amusement until I witnessed it. Your local? Where are you? The 69 stops at the end of my road, so I try to get it as often as I can. The 69 hasn't stopped at the end of my road in a while, if you know what i'm saying. tom -- Michael Jackson had that idea back in the 80s. There was even a ride at Disneyland. |
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Robin May wrote:
Dave Newt wrote the following in: Robin May wrote: "John Rowland" wrote the following in: "Dave Newt" wrote in message ... One of my faves: 19 Finsbury Park Battersea My favourite is the 309, because it goes from London's most polluted estate (by Abbott Road) to the London Chest Hospital. The dirty minded school children's favourite is the 69. I never would have though my local bus route could cause so much amusement until I witnessed it. Your local? Where are you? The 69 stops at the end of my road, so I try to get it as often as I can. My closest stops are the Grange Road/Upper Road ones. Where are yours? The perhaps fortuitously-named Hoe Street :-) |
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On Fri, 6 Feb 2004 14:16:37 +0000, Kat
wrote: I'm fine at showing people best routes to use on the Underground but does anyone have any ideas about the most useful ten/twenty bus routes to learn? The ones I know well are, 279, 253, 29, 8 (plus 25 and other local ones) What a question - useful in what context? If you want alternatives to the Tube then that gives you one list. If you want routes that might get you somewhere useful or to an alternative station or line that's something else again. this website will help a great deal - www.londonbusroutes.net - and I will admit to using it for checking my list. I lot of the entries came from memory though (sad isn't it?). The following is a long list. Depending on how insane you are feeling you might wish to have a ride round on some of the more interesting orbital routes as they can be a good alternative to sending people into London on the Tube and back out again. Many of them run at high frequencies and are very busy. Radial and Central London routes (covers a lot of Tube Links) 1 Canada Water - Tottenham Court Rd (parallels Jubilee Line) 2 Norwood - Baker St (runs in via Brixton. Stockwell, Vauxhall, Pimlico) 3 Crystal Palace - Oxford Circus (runs via Lambeth Palace and Brixton) 6 Aldwych - Kensal Rise (Picc Cir, Oxford St, Edgware Rd, Maida Vale) 7 Russell Sq - Westbourne Park 8 Bow - Victoria (via Bethnal Green and the City) 388 Hackney Wick - Mansion House (parallels the 8 and serves Victoria Park) 9 Aldwych - Hammersmith (via Piccadilly, Knightsbridge, High St Ken) 10 Kings Cross - Hammersmith (via Oxford St, Knightsbridge, High St Ken) 11 Fulham - Liv St (via Victoria, Parl Sq, T Sq, Fleet St, St Pauls, Bank) 12 Dulwich - Notting Hill Gate (via E&C, Westminster, T sq, Picc Cir, Oxford St, Bayswater Rd) 13 Aldwych - Golders Green (via Picc C, Ox St, Baker St, Swiss Cottage, Finchley Rd) 14 TCR - Putney (via Shaftesbury Av, Piccadilly, Harrods, South Ken) 15 (also 115, 5 and 87) If you include the 87 and 5 then this runs in from Romford via Becontree Heath, Barking, East Ham, Canning Town, Stepney, Aldgate, Tower, St Pauls, Strand, Picc C, Oxo, Marble Arch, Paddington 16 Victoria - Cricklewood (if you add on the 32 from Kilburn Park you can get to Edgware via the full length of Edgware Road via Kilburn, Cricklewood, Staples Corner, Hendon, Colindate, Burnt Oak) 18 Euston - Sudbury - follows Marylebone and then Harrow Road 19 Finsbury Park - Angel - Holborn - TCR - Picc C - Green Park - Knightsbridge - Sloane Sq - Kings Rd - Battersea Bridge 21 Moorgate - Bank - London Bridge - Borough - Old Kent Rd - New Cross - Lewisham 22 Picc C - Putney via Green Pk, Knightsbridge, Sloane Sq, Kings Rd 23 Liv St - bank - St Pauls - Aldwych - T Sq - Picc C - Ox Cir - M Arch - Paddington - Westbourne Park 24 Hampstead Heath - Camden - Warren St - TCR - Leic Sq - T Sq, Whitehall - Victoria - Pimlico 25 / 86 Oxford C - TCR - Holborn - Bank / Tower - Aldgate - Mile End - Stratford - Manor Park - Ilford. 86 overlaps from Stratford and then on via Seven Kings, Goodmayes, Chadwell Heath to Romford 26 Waterloo - Aldwych - St Pauls - Bank - Liv St - Hackney Rd - Hackney Wick 27 Chalk Farm - Camden Town - Warren St - Baker St - Edgware Rd - Paddington - Notting Hill Gate - High St Ken - Hammersmith - Turnham Green 29 Palmers Green - Wood Green - Turnpike Lane - Green Lanes - Manor House - Finsbury Park - Holloway - Camden Town - Warren St - TCR - Leic Sq - T Sq (the bus equivalent of the Piccadilly Line) If you add on the 329 north of Turnpike Lane you can run through to Enfield Town 30 Hackney Wick - Hackney - Dalston - Highbury & Islington - Angel - Kings Cross - Euston - Warren St - Baker St - Marble Arch 35 Shoreditch - Liv St - London Bridge - Elephant - Camberwell - Brixton - Clapham Common - Clapham Junction 36 / 436 Queens Park - Paddington - Marble Arch - Victoria - Vauxhall - Oval - Camberwell - Peckham - New Cross - Lewisham 38 Clapton - Hackney Central - Dalston - Essex Road - Angel - Mount Pleasant - Holborn - TCR - Picc C - Green Park - Victoria 43 Friern Barnet - Archway - Holloway - Highbury - Angel - Old St - Moorgate - Bank - London Bridge 47 Catford - Lewisham - Deptford - Surrey Quays - Canada Water - Jamaica Rd - London Bridge - Liverpool St - Shoreditch 48 London Bridge - Monument - Liv St - Shoreditch - Hackney Rd - Hackney Central - Clapton - Leyton Bakers Arms - Walthamstow Central 52 Victoria - HPC - High St Ken - Notting Hill Gate - ladbroke Grove - Kensal Rise 53 / 453 Marylebone - G P St - Oxford Circus - Picc C - T Sq - Whitehall - Westminster Bridge - Elephant - Old Kent Rd - New Cross - Deptford - Charlton - Woolwich - Plumstead 55 Oxford Circus - TCR - holborn - Clerkenwell - Old St - Shoreditch - Hackney Rd - Hackney Central - Clapton - Lea Bridge Rd - Leyton Bakers Arms 56 Whipps Cross - Lea Bridge Rd - Clapton - Hackney Downs - Dalston - Essex Road - Angel - Barbican - Barts Hospital 63 Kings Cross - Farringdon - Ludgate Cir - Blackfriars - Elephant - Old Kent Road - Peckham - Honor Oak 67 Wood Green - St Anns - Stamford Hill - Stoke Newington - Dalston - Shoreditch - Aldgate 168 / 68 / 468 - Hampstead Heath - Camden town - Euston - Russell Sq - Holborn - Aldwych - Waterloo - Elephant - Camberwell - Herne Hill - Norwood - Thornton Heath - Croydon - South Croydon 73 Seven Sisters - Stamford Hill - Stoke Newington - newington Green - Essex Road - Angel - Kings Cross - Euston - TCR - Oxo - Bond St - Marble Arch - HPC - Victoria 74 Baker St - Marble Arch - HPC - Knightsbridge - South Ken - Earls Ct - West Brompton - Putney 76 Seven Sisters - Stamford Hill - Stoke Newington - Dalston - Old St - Moorgate - Bank - St Pauls - Fleet St - Aldwych - Waterloo 77 Waterloo - St Thomas Hosp - Vauxhall - Wandsworth Rd - Clapham Junction - Earlsfield - Tooting Broadway - Tooting NR Stn 77A Aldwych - T Sq - Parl Sq - Tate Britain - Vauxhall - Wandsworth Rd - Clapham Junction - Wandsworth 82 North Finchley - Golders Green - Finchley Rd - Swiss Cottage - St Johns Wood - Baker St - Marble Arch - HPC - Victoria 88 Camden Town - Warren St - G P St - Oxo - Picc C - T Sq - Parl Sq - Marsham St - Vauxhall - Stockwell - Clapham North - Clapham Common 91 Crouch End - Hornsey - Holloway - Caledonian Rd - Kings Cross - Euston - Russell Sq - Holborn - Aldwych - T Sq 94 Acton Green - Shepherds Bush - Notting Hill Gate - Marble Arch - Oxo - Picc Circus 98 Willesden - Kilburn High Rd - Edgware Road - Marble Arch - Oxo - TCR - Holborn (Red Lion Sq) 113 Edgware - Mill Hill - Hendon - A41 - Finchley Road - Swiss Cottage - St Johns Wood - Baker St - Marble Arch (Selfridges) - Oxo 133 Streatham - Brixton - Kennington - Oval - Elephant - London Bridge - Bank - Liv St 134 North Finchley - Friern Barnet - Muswell Hill - Highgate - Archway - Tufnell Park - Kentish Town - Camden Town - Warren St - TCR 137 Streatham - Clapham Common - Chelsea Bridge - Sloane Sq - Knightsbridge - HPC - Marble Arch - Oxo 139 Waterloo - Strand - T Sq - Picc C - Oxo - Baker St - Lisson Grove - Abbey Rd - West Hampstead 141 Wood Green - Turnpike Lane - Manor House - Newington Green - Hoxton - Old St - Moorgate - Bank - London Bridge 148 Shepherds Bush - Notting Hill Gate - Marble Arch - HPC - Victoria - Westminster - Elephant and Castle - 149 London Bridge - Liv St - Shoreditch - Dalston - Stoke Newington - Stamford Hill - Seven Sisters - Edmonton Green - Ponders End 155 Elephant & Castle - Stockwell - Clapham - Balham - Tooting 159 Marble Arch - Oxo - Picc C - T Sq - Westminster Bridge - Lambeth North - Kennington - Oval - Brixton - Streatham 171 Holborn - Aldwych - Waterloo - Elephant - Camberwell Green - Peckham - New Cross - Crofton Park - Catford 172 St Pauls - Fleet St - Aldwych - Waterloo - Elephant - new Cross - Crofton Park 176 Penge - Sydenham - Forest Hill - East Dulwich - Camberwell - Elephant - Waterloo - Aldwych - T Sq - C X Road - TCR - Oxo 185 Lewisham - Catford - Forest Hill - East Dulwich - Denmark Hill - Camberwell - Oval - Vauxhall - Victoria 189 Oxo - Baker St - Lisson Grove - Abbey Road - Kilburn High Road - Cricklewood - North Cricklewood - Brent Cross Shopping Centre 205 Paddington - Edgware Rd - Marylebone - baker St - Warren St Stn - Euston - Kings Cross - Angel - Old St - Moorgate - Liv St - Aldgate - Whitechapel (The North side of the Circle Line bus route) 242 TCR - Holborn - St Pauls - Bank - Liv St - Dalston - Hackney Central - Clapton Park - Homerton Hospital 243 Wood Green - Bruce Grove - Seven Sisters - Stamford Hill - Stoke Newington - Shoreditch - Old Street - Clerkenwell - Holborn - Aldwych - Waterloo 259 Edmonton Green - Seven Sisters - Manor House - Finsbury Park - Holloway - Caledonian Road - Kings Cross 341 Northumberland Park - Seven Sisters - West Green - Manor House - Newington Green - Essex Road - Angel - Mount Pleasant - Holborn Circus - Aldwych - Waterloo Key Orbital / Suburban Routes / Some East London favourites 28 Westbourne Park - Notting Hill Gate - High St Ken - West Kensington - Fulham - Wandsworth 31 Camden Town - Chalk Farm - Swiss Cottage - West Hampstead - Kilburn - Westbourne Park - Notting Hill Gate 37 Peckham - East Dulwich - Brixton - Clapham Common - Clapham Junction - Wandsworth - Putney 41 Archway - Hornsey - Turnpike Lane - West Green - Seven Sisters - Tottenham Hale 49 Shepherds Bush - Holland Park - High St Ken - South Ken - Chelsea - Battersea Bridge - Battersea - Clapham Junction 57 Streatham - tooting - Wimbledon - Raynes Park - Kingston 66 Leytonstone - Wanstead - Redbridge - Gants Hill - Newbury Park - A12 - Romford 69 Walthamstow Central - Bakers Arms - Leyton Stn - Maryland - Stratford - Plaistow - Canning Town - London City Airport 83 Ealing Hospital - Ealing Broadway - Hanger Lane - Alperton - kingsbury - Hendon - Golders Green 96 Woolwich - Bexleyheath - Bluewater 97 Leyton Tube - Bakers Arms - Walthamstow Central - Crooked Billet (dog stadium) - Chingford Mount - Chingford Station 101 Wanstead - Aldersbrook - Manor Park - East Ham - Beckton - Cyprus - North Woolwich 102 Edmonton Green - Silver St - Palmers Green - Bounds Green - Muswell Hill - East Finchley - Golders Green - North Cricklewood - Brent Cross Shopping Centre 106 Finsbury Park - Stoke Newington - Clapton - Hackney - Bethnal Green - Whitechapel 108 Stratford - Bow Church - Bromley by Bow - Blackwall Tunnel - North Greenwich - Charlton - Blackheath - Lewisham 112 Ealing Broadway - Hanger Lane - North Circ Rd - Ikea - Staples Corner - Brent Cross Shopping Centre 114 Mill Hill - Burnt Oak - Queensbury - Kenton - Harrow - South Harrow - South Ruislip - Ruislip. Useful as it skips across the top of lots of tube lines. 123 Ilford - gants Hill - South Woodford North Circ - Forest rd - Blackhorse Rd Tube - Tottenham Hale - Seven Sisters - Bruce Grove - Turnpike Lane - Wood Green 140 Harrow Weald - harrow and Wealdstone - Harrow on the Hill - South Harrow - Northolt - Yeading - Hayes and Harlington - Heathrow 142 Brent Cross - Hendon - Colindale - Edgware - Stanmore - Watford Junction 144 Edmonton Green - Wood Green - Turnpike Lane - Hornsey - Muswell Hill 145 Leytonstone - Wanstead - Redbridge - Ilford - South Park Drive - Becontree - Dagenham 183 Pinner - harrow - Kenton - Kingsbury - Hendon - Golders Green 184 Turnpike Lane - Wood Green - Arnos Grove - Barnet 207 Uxbridge - Hayes - Southall - Hanwell - Ealing Broadway - Acton - Shepherds Bush 208 Lewisham - Catford - Bromley - Orpington 209 Hammersmith - Barnes - Mortlake 210 Finsbury park - Hornsey - Archway - Highgate Village - Golders Green - Brent Cross Shopping Centre 220 Willesden Junction - White City - Shepherds Bush - Hammersmith - Putney - Wandsworth 221 Turnpike Lane - Wood Green - Bounds Green - New Southgate - Friern Barnet - North Finchley - Mill Hill East - Edgware 227 Crystal Palace - Penge - Beckenham - Bromley 230 Upper Walthamstow - Bakers Arms - Walthamstow Central - Blackhorse Rd - Tottenham Hale - Seven Sisters - West Green - Turnpike Lane - Wood Green 232 Turnpike Lane - Wood Green - Palmers Green - Arnos Grove - North Circ Road - Brent Cross Shopping Centre - Ikea 235/7 Sunbury - Feltham - Hounslow Heath - Hounslow - Isleworth - Brentford - Turnham Green - Shepherds Bush 236 Finsbury park - Newington Green - Dalston - Hackney - Hackney Wick 253 Euston - Camden Town - Holloway - Finsbury Park - Manor House - Stamford Hill - Clapton - Hackney Central 254 Holloway - Finsbury Park - Manor House - Stamford Hill - Clapton - Hackney Central - Bethnal Green - Whitechapel - Aldgate 257 Walthamstow Central - Whipps Cross - Leytonstone Station - harrow green - Maryland - Stratford 276 Newham General Hosp - Canning Town - West Ham Stn - Stratford - Hackney Wick - Hackney Central - Stoke Newington 277 Highbury & Islington - Dalston - Hackney - Victoria Park - Mile End - Limehouse - Canary Wharf - Leamouth 279 Waltham Cross - Ponders End - Edmonton Green - Seven Sisters - Manor House - Finsbury Park - Holloway 295 Ladbroke Grove - Shepherds Bush - Hammersmith - Fulham - Wandsworth Bridge - Clapham Junction 328 Golders Green - West Hampstead - Kilburn - Westbourne Park - Notting Hill Gate - High St Ken - Earls Court - Chelsea 345 South Kensington - Chelsea - Battersea - Clapham Junction - Clapham Common - Clapham North - Stockwell - Brixton - Camberwell Green - Peckham 726 Bromley - Beckenham - Addiscombe - Croydon - Sutton - Cheam - New Malden - Kingston - Hampton Ct - Feltham - Heathrow Airport W3 Northumberland Park Stn - White Hart Lane - Wood Green - Alexandra Palace - Hornsey - Stroud Green - Finsbury Park W7 Finsbury Park - Stroud Green - Crouch End - Muswell Hill W15 Cogan Av Est - Walthamstow Central - Whipps Cross Hosp - Leytonstone Stn - Leyton Station - Hackney Wick - homerton Hosp - Hackney Central Stn HTH -- Paul C Admits to working for London Underground! |
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In message , Paul Corfield
writes On Fri, 6 Feb 2004 14:16:37 +0000, Kat wrote: I'm fine at showing people best routes to use on the Underground but does anyone have any ideas about the most useful ten/twenty bus routes to learn? The ones I know well are, 279, 253, 29, 8 (plus 25 and other local ones) What a question - useful in what context? Ah Paul, you obviously have no idea how important the local tube station is as a centre of the community these days. Many people come in, who have no intention of using the Underground, for all sorts of information. (Often not concerned with travel at all) If you want alternatives to the Tube then that gives you one list. If you want routes that might get you somewhere useful or to an alternative station or line that's something else again. At various times I've been asked the best way to get to Slough, the A13 and Stansted by road. I am often asked the best way to places by bus too. We don't keep bus-maps on the station... something I'm trying to remedy but for now I go to the Travel Info place at Liverpool Street and beg a few bus maps from them. I thought that it might be useful to have a bit more bus info in my head too, hence the question. this website will help a great deal - www.londonbusroutes.net - and I will admit to using it for checking my list. I lot of the entries came from memory though (sad isn't it?). The following is a long list. Depending on how insane you are feeling you might wish to have a ride round on some of the more interesting orbital routes as they can be a good alternative to sending people into London on the Tube and back out again. Many of them run at high frequencies and are very busy. Radial and Central London routes (covers a lot of Tube Links) [...] Thanks for your list; it seems very comprehensive. HTH Yes, it certainly does! -- Kat Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted. ~Albert Einstein~ |
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In message , Kat
writes Ah Paul, you obviously have no idea how important the local tube station is as a centre of the community these days. Many people come in, who have no intention of using the Underground, for all sorts of information. (Often not concerned with travel at all) At various times I've been asked the best way to get to Slough, the A13 and Stansted by road. I am often asked the best way to places by bus too. When the RV1 riverside route was first introduced I knew that it existed but not exactly where it went. While working in Southwark one day [1] I popped in to London Bridge tube station to see if they knew, thinking this very likely. Although the chap was very pleasant and knew that the route was die to start, he didn't know where I could catch it or exactly where it went. I was a bit surprised. Even here in the West Midlands, railway stations usually have a pile of local bus timetables on the counter. We don't keep bus-maps on the station. Which, as I said, surprised me a bit. I was also always rather annoyed that you couldn't buy Saver tickets at tube stations; I see that that's been remedied now, though. .. something I'm trying to remedy but for now I go to the Travel Info place at Liverpool Street and beg a few bus maps from them. Well done, Kat and thank you! (You shouldn't have to do that, of course but I know enough about large organisations to know that direct personal action is often the best!) [1] This sounds like the prologue to Chaucer's "Canterbury Tales"! -- Ian Jelf, MITG, Birmingham, UK Registered "Blue Badge" Tourist Guide for London & the Heart of England http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk |
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Unless I'm very much mistaken, it was Kat
), in message who said: I'm fine at showing people best routes to use on the Underground but does anyone have any ideas about the most useful ten/twenty bus routes to learn? The ones I know well are, 279, 253, 29, 8 (plus 25 and other local ones) TIA Generally, I find the most useful routes are those that link other transport connections - e.g. rail and tube stations, without duplicating them. From a South London perspective, my personal favourite is the 270. Mitcham (Tramlink) Tooting (Thameslink), Tooting Broadway (Northern Line) Earlsfield (SWT?) Wandsworth (no good public transport) East Putney / Putney Bridge (District Line) BTN |
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On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 06:07:00 +0000, Kat
wrote: In message , Paul Corfield writes On Fri, 6 Feb 2004 14:16:37 +0000, Kat wrote: I'm fine at showing people best routes to use on the Underground but does anyone have any ideas about the most useful ten/twenty bus routes to learn? The ones I know well are, 279, 253, 29, 8 (plus 25 and other local ones) What a question - useful in what context? Ah Paul, you obviously have no idea how important the local tube station is as a centre of the community these days. Many people come in, who have no intention of using the Underground, for all sorts of information. (Often not concerned with travel at all) Oh I do have some inkling. I have done some limited station duties - revenue inspections, that sort of thing - and in addition to the swearing and cursing you do get asked all sorts of stuff. I can recall coming away from those duties with a very sore head indeed as my poor brain struggled to answer the myriad of questions. Ironically one of the hardest things is to respond quickly to "how do I get to Ickenham?" type question when you are at Seven Sisters or somewhere miles away. Despite knowing the Tube Map and London geography well it always took far longer than expected to provide an "instant" answer. You're then looked at as if you are barmy because you *must* surely know how to get there as you work for the Underground! If you want alternatives to the Tube then that gives you one list. If you want routes that might get you somewhere useful or to an alternative station or line that's something else again. At various times I've been asked the best way to get to Slough, the A13 and Stansted by road. I am often asked the best way to places by bus too. I don't doubt it. I just asked the question because I could see two obvious scenarios for you. The first one being "how do I get to x because the Tube isn't running now?" or "how do I get to x station on the other line because the y line isn't working". Hence the list of radial trunk services plus some of the important orbital routes. The other was to try to list routes that are local to Mile End / East London which actually provide a good local alternative to the Tube network because they "go round the corner" or just simply offer a more frequent direct service than changing one or two times on the Tube. I can still recall flat hunting in North London and going everywhere by Tube when a bus would have done the trip in half the time. We don't keep bus-maps on the station... something I'm trying to remedy but for now I go to the Travel Info place at Liverpool Street and beg a few bus maps from them. I thought all ticket offices got a supply of them? How very silly if that policy has been changed. Thanks for your list; it seems very comprehensive. No problem. -- Paul C Admits to working for London Underground! |
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(sorry for not replying to the root post - i've long since deleted it,
and this thought only just struck me) Unless I'm very much mistaken, it was Kat ), in message who said: I'm fine at showing people best routes to use on the Underground but does anyone have any ideas about the most useful ten/twenty bus routes to learn? How about routes which have night-bus equivalents? Then they're useful at any time. The obvious mistake here is that you won't be at work when the night buses are running, so you'll never need to advise people about them. Still, as a general point, it might be something to consider. tom -- I need a proper outlet for my tendency towards analytical thought. -- Geneva Melzack |
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On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 17:48:11 +0000, Tom Anderson
wrote: (sorry for not replying to the root post - i've long since deleted it, and this thought only just struck me) Unless I'm very much mistaken, it was Kat ), in message who said: I'm fine at showing people best routes to use on the Underground but does anyone have any ideas about the most useful ten/twenty bus routes to learn? How about routes which have night-bus equivalents? Then they're useful at any time. Some routes are having the "N" element of the route number abolished so there is no difference between day and night operation - the route is simply 24 hour. Examples include the 12, 94, 65, 108 and 176. The obvious mistake here is that you won't be at work when the night buses are running, so you'll never need to advise people about them. Still, as a general point, it might be something to consider. Kat might be at work - people do miss last trains into town even though the station will be open for trains going the other way. Night buses become important then - Leicester Square station for example has lots of night bus info for rather obvious reasons. The important local night buses for Mile End are the N8, N25 and N277. Down the road at Limehouse you've got the N15 and N50. At a stretch in the other direction towards Hackney Wick you've got the N26 and N236. I guess you could chuck in the 108 from Bow Church over to Lewisham as well. -- Paul C Admits to working for London Underground! |
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On Wed, 11 Feb 2004, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 17:48:11 +0000, Tom Anderson wrote: (sorry for not replying to the root post - i've long since deleted it, and this thought only just struck me) Unless I'm very much mistaken, it was Kat ), in message who said: I'm fine at showing people best routes to use on the Underground but does anyone have any ideas about the most useful ten/twenty bus routes to learn? How about routes which have night-bus equivalents? Then they're useful at any time. Some routes are having the "N" element of the route number abolished so there is no difference between day and night operation - the route is simply 24 hour. Examples include the 12, 94, 65, 108 and 176. Good point. The obvious mistake here is that you won't be at work when the night buses are running, so you'll never need to advise people about them. Still, as a general point, it might be something to consider. Kat might be at work - people do miss last trains into town even though the station will be open for trains going the other way. Night buses become important then - Leicester Square station for example has lots of night bus info for rather obvious reasons. Okay, i didn't realise the last train out was that late. The important local night buses for Mile End are the N8, N25 and N277. Down the road at Limehouse you've got the N15 and N50. At a stretch in the other direction towards Hackney Wick you've got the N26 and N236. I guess you could chuck in the 108 from Bow Church over to Lewisham as well. If you fancy a little walk down the Mile End Road, you've got the N106 and N253 from Whitechapel as well. tom -- A plug on its back, straining to suck voltage from the sky |
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Tom Anderson writes On Wed, 11 Feb 2004, Paul Corfield wrote: Kat might be at work - people do miss last trains into town even though the station will be open for trains going the other way. Night buses become important then - Leicester Square station for example has lots of night bus info for rather obvious reasons. Okay, i didn't realise the last train out was that late. Our last eastbound train doesn't leave until 00.59 (and that's if there have been no problems) Many of us depend on the night-bus service to get home and to get in for the first shift which may start before 05.00 -- Kat Me, Ambivalent? Well, yes and no. |
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In message , Paul Corfield
writes On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 17:48:11 +0000, Tom Anderson wrote: The obvious mistake here is that you won't be at work when the night buses are running, so you'll never need to advise people about them. Still, as a general point, it might be something to consider. Kat might be at work - people do miss last trains into town even though the station will be open for trains going the other way. Night buses become important then - Leicester Square station for example has lots of night bus info for rather obvious reasons. Kat most certainly will be at work outside traffic hours for two weeks in every seven; we are a Section 12 station, we wouldn't be able to open unless we had the right number of staff. The important local night buses for Mile End are the N8, N25 and N277. Down the road at Limehouse you've got the N15 and N50. At a stretch in the other direction towards Hackney Wick you've got the N26 and N236. I guess you could chuck in the 108 from Bow Church over to Lewisham as well. Thanks; the local ones I know but that 108 seems one to remember. -- Kat Me, Ambivalent? Well, yes and no. |
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Kat wrote the following in:
Kat most certainly will be at work outside traffic hours for two weeks in every seven; we are a Section 12 station, we wouldn't be able to open unless we had the right number of staff. What's a Section 12 station? -- message by Robin May, enforcer of sod's law. The Hutton Report is a whitewash! Long live the BBC! Crime is confusing. |
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In message , Robin May
writes Kat wrote the following in: Kat most certainly will be at work outside traffic hours for two weeks in every seven; we are a Section 12 station, we wouldn't be able to open unless we had the right number of staff. What's a Section 12 station? OK, never too early for a bit of ATOR [1] revision... Following the King's Cross fire in 1987, regulations were made under Section 12 of the Fire Precautions Act 1971 to cover fire safety arrangements in sub-surface railway stations (The Fire Precautions (Sub-surface Railway Stations) Regulations 1989) from recommendations arising from the Fennell Report. It means any station that's not on an open section is subject to strict requirements concerning staff numbers and training, evacuation procedures, fire detection, compartmentation, the use of fire resistant materials and is enforceable by LFCDA who make regular inspections. [1] Annual Test Of Rules -- Kat Me, Ambivalent? Well, yes and no. |
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"Kat" wrote in message ... In message , Robin May and is enforceable by LFCDA who make regular inspections. Now rebranded LFEPA. I think Civil Defence sounds better than Emergency Planning. Dave. |
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Kat typed
I'm fine at showing people best routes to use on the Underground but does anyone have any ideas about the most useful ten/twenty bus routes to learn? Other have posted many useful routes. My next suggestions are more complex (and potentially more numerous) These are bus routes which link sections of the Underground with other lines, avoiding a pricy Zone 1 interchange. For example: 114 Mill Hill Broadway (Thameslink) - Burnt Oak (Northern) - Queensbury (Jubilee) - Harrow (Metropolitan & Chiltern) - South Harrow (Piccadilly) - Ruislip Manor (Met + Picc) - Ruislip (Met & Picc) 140 (Also N140) Heathrow Airport (Picc)-Hayes & Harlington (Thames) - Northolt (Central)- South Harrow (Picc) - Harrow (Met & Chiltern) Harrow & Wealdstone (Bakerloo, Silverlink) - Harrow Weald etc... -- Helen D. Vecht: Edgware. |
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