wrote:

In article ,
(David Cantrell) wrote:

On Wed, Oct 08, 2014 at 04:31:05PM -0500,
wrote:

You assume I pay with cash. Why?

You assume that people losing their Oyster cards is so common as to
offset the cost advantage of auto-topup. Why?

You assume that works for you works for everyone. Please don't.

You were the one who started this discussion by assuming that just
because you don't use auto topup, there is no reason for anyone else to
use it.

Peter Smyth

On 11/10/2014 10:16, Peter Smyth wrote:

wrote:

In article ,
(David Cantrell) wrote:

On Wed, Oct 08, 2014 at 04:31:05PM -0500,
wrote:

You assume I pay with cash. Why?

You assume that people losing their Oyster cards is so common as to
offset the cost advantage of auto-topup. Why?

You assume that works for you works for everyone. Please don't.

You were the one who started this discussion by assuming that just
because you don't use auto topup, there is no reason for anyone else to
use it.

Quite!

In article , (Peter Smyth) wrote:

wrote:

In article ,
(David Cantrell) wrote:

On Wed, Oct 08, 2014 at 04:31:05PM -0500,
wrote:

You assume I pay with cash. Why?

You assume that people losing their Oyster cards is so common as to
offset the cost advantage of auto-topup. Why?

You assume that works for you works for everyone. Please don't.

You were the one who started this discussion by assuming that just
because you don't use auto topup, there is no reason for anyone else to
use it.

I suspect there are lots of people using auto top-up at £20 at a time when I
would top up at a ticket stop for less than a fiver.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On 11/10/2014 14:37, wrote:

In article , (Peter Smyth) wrote:

wrote:
[...]
You assume that works for you works for everyone. Please don't.

You were the one who started this discussion by assuming that just
because you don't use auto topup, there is no reason for anyone else to
use it.

I suspect there are lots of people using auto top-up at £20 at a time when
I would top up at a ticket stop for less than a fiver.


*You* would top up less than a fiver, others might well travel more and
hence spend more than that (it's not difficult to spend a fiver using
Oyster in one day).

Also, many people don't share your objection to letting TfL look after a
bit of their money for a while, in exchange for some convenience. The
interest isn't going (directly at least) into dividends for shareholders
and the like.

Auto top-up works well for many people, and I imagine it would have
worked well for many more if they'd actually set it up (which is a mild
faff to do). I imagine that many people who use auto top-up will now
migrate over to using contactless instead.

(I don't think the conversation at any point was 'Colin, you're an idiot
for not using auto top-up' - rather it was more you saying you couldn't
possibly comprehend why infrequent visitors might possibly use it.)

OK, I think I've exhausted this particular strand of the discussion (at
least I'm exhausted by it!).

On Wed, Oct 08, 2014 at 02:42:11PM +0100, Mizter T wrote:

Indeed - ticket stop at Shiv's newsagent on Parchmore Road, another at
Yogi's News on Beulah Rd, another at VK News on Norbury Rd, another at
ACR Wines on Melfort Rd, another at Trpopical Fare on Brigstock Rd,
another opposite Thornton Heath station on Cotford Parade etc etc...

You must have missed the bit where I said that they're not marked in the
right places. For example, Cotford Parade is *not* opposite the station.
Cotford Parade is barely visible from the station.

--
David Cantrell | London Perl Mongers Deputy Chief Heretic

There are many different types of sausages. The best are
from the north of England. The wurst are from Germany.
-- seen in alt.2eggs...

On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 02:50:19PM +0100, Mizter T wrote:
On 10/10/2014 14:01, Neil Williams wrote:
On 2014-10-10 11:25:47 +0000, Mizter T said:
How many of them would be searching Google for a "tfl ticket stop
locator" or similar then?
Tourists? Probably very few.
That was the point that David Cantrell was making.

In response to someone from out of town (Mr. Rosensteil, I think) saying
that he used them instead of stations for some bizarre reason.

--
David Cantrell | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david

You may now start misinterpreting what I just
wrote, and attacking that misinterpretation.

On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 07:11:53PM +0100, tim..... wrote:
"David Cantrell" wrote in message
k...
You assume that people losing their Oyster cards is so common as to
offset the cost advantage of auto-topup.
what cost advantage of auto top up?

The one that I explained a few posts back in the thread.

--
David Cantrell | semi-evolved ape-thing

For every vengeance, there is an equal and opposite revengeance.
-- Cartoon Law XI

In article ,
(David Cantrell) wrote:

On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 02:50:19PM +0100, Mizter T wrote:
On 10/10/2014 14:01, Neil Williams wrote:
On 2014-10-10 11:25:47 +0000, Mizter T said:
How many of them would be searching Google for a "tfl ticket stop
locator" or similar then?
Tourists? Probably very few.
That was the point that David Cantrell was making.

In response to someone from out of town (Mr. Rosensteil, I think)
saying that he used them instead of stations for some bizarre reason.

"i" before "e", please.

In the days when I was claiming expenses for Oyster use the main advantage
of ticket stops, apart from lack of queues, was that I could top up the
amount I wanted, not some fixed minimum or the limit of my change.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On 13/10/2014 13:13, wrote:
[...]
In the days when I was claiming expenses for Oyster use the main advantage
of ticket stops, apart from lack of queues, was that I could top up the
amount I wanted, not some fixed minimum or the limit of my change.


FWIW, rail TVMs (not Tube) allow you to specify an amount to top up by,
and then dispense change (and a receipt).

(Also, it is possible to use rail TVMs as a cheeky way of getting change
from a note - go through the motions of topping up your Oyster, insert
the note, then cancel the top-up and your money will be returned as
coins as the TVMs don't have a means of returning notes. Obviously this
isn't an intended application!)

In article , (Mizter T) wrote:

On 13/10/2014 13:13, wrote:
[...]
In the days when I was claiming expenses for Oyster use the main
advantage of ticket stops, apart from lack of queues, was that I could
top up the amount I wanted, not some fixed minimum or the limit of my
change.

FWIW, rail TVMs (not Tube) allow you to specify an amount to top up
by, and then dispense change (and a receipt).

(Also, it is possible to use rail TVMs as a cheeky way of getting
change from a note - go through the motions of topping up your
Oyster, insert the note, then cancel the top-up and your money will
be returned as coins as the TVMs don't have a means of returning
notes. Obviously this isn't an intended application!)

That would have been worth knowing 3 or 4 years ago. Nowadays I top up round
amounts as needed, usually fivers.

--
Colin Rosenstiel