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You could have made all the same ridership arguements about reopening the North London Line to Stratford and look how busy it is now!
Considering what traffic in Watford is like whenever I visit I would expect abstraction from both bus and car traffic as well as new journey opportunities. The link caters for travel to Watford from a large slice of north west London and travel to the Harrow and Wembley areas from Watford and interchange at Watford Junction for journeys that would otherwise require travel to central London. I never understand why some people are convinced that public transport is only used to commute to Central London. |
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On Mon, 6 Oct 2014 10:20:24 -0700 (PDT)
Piatkow wrote: You could have made all the same ridership arguements about reopening the N= orth London Line to Stratford and look how busy it is now! Hardly - they're complete opposites. The NLL links up the spokes on a wheel and provides a quicker alternative to going into london and out again , whereas the croxley link provides a much longer route to watford than the alternatives. As for lots of pax between amersham/chesham and watford - yeah, right. -- Spud |
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In message of Mon, 6 Oct
2014 19:25:11 in uk.transport.london, Paul Corfield writes On Mon, 6 Oct 2014 10:20:24 -0700 (PDT), Piatkow wrote: You could have made all the same ridership arguements about reopening the North London Line to Stratford and look how busy it is now! Considering what traffic in Watford is like whenever I visit I would expect abstraction from both bus and car traffic as well as new journey opportunities. The link caters for travel to Watford from a large slice of north west London and travel to the Harrow and Wembley areas from Watford and interchange at Watford Junction for journeys that would otherwise require travel to central London. I never understand why some people are convinced that public transport is only used to commute to Central London. And yet if you look at patronage on the DC line into Watford Junction it's not exactly overburdened with passengers north of Harrow nor does it carry a lot of local traffic. Hopefully the new extension of the Met will encourage some transfer from cars but it really depends on whether people find the stations in Watford to be convenient to use. A second factor will be how convenient transfers from Amersham line trains will be at Moor Park. I actually think Amersham, or even Aylesbury, to Watford Junction via the north curve is the service that would do well and would take traffic off the roads. Whether that will be deemed feasible or desirable is a separate issue. I think the same. The first thing is to have Chiltern stop at Moor Park to allow improved interchange between the Watford service and the Amersham/Aylesbury service. On 10 March 2014 11:24:57, I got this from Chiltern Customer Services: "It is not within our Franchise Agreement to stop at this particular station and at present, there are not any plans to do so". I failed to find contact details for the franchisor. I am expecting a reply to a similar question to http://www.croxleyraill ink.com/contact-us/general-project-queries.htm by 9/10/14. Sadly, it is one of those sites which does not send enquiry copies. TfL has another and I generally avoid it. I should have emailed ; 0800 6125240 is the chasing number. With the revised service to Watford, I think it will be daft for Chiltern not to stop at Moor Park. -- Walter Briscoe |
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On 2014-10-06 18:25:11 +0000, Paul Corfield said:
And yet if you look at patronage on the DC line into Watford Junction it's not exactly overburdened with passengers north of Harrow nor does it carry a lot of local traffic. The DC line would I think be used a lot more if the service pattern was such that people at the northern end of it didn't get such a uselessly slow journey. One option might be to run the LO service as semifast south of Harrow just ahead of a Bakerloo train (maybe Willesden and Queens Park only?) and stopping north thereof, perhaps - interchange wouldn't be so bad as it'd always be same-platform. That might even take some of the overcrowding off the WCML itself. Neil -- Neil Williams Put my first name before the @ to reply. |
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On 2014-10-06 21:12:06 +0000, Walter Briscoe said:
With the revised service to Watford, I think it will be daft for Chiltern not to stop at Moor Park. Except for that it is known that, and has been known for years that, Chiltern have very little interest in their local services and are more bothered about being a pseudo-InterCity operator to Birmingham. So they are unlikely to insert any extra stops in anything. Neil -- Neil Williams Put my first name before the @ to reply. |
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In message , at 23:51:56 on Mon, 6 Oct
2014, Neil Williams remarked: Hardly - they're complete opposites. The NLL links up the spokes on a wheel and provides a quicker alternative to going into london and out again , whereas the croxley link provides a much longer route to watford than the alternatives. That it does, but where it might win out is the "lazy journey" option for those working in the northern parts of the City easily reachable from Moorgate, Barbican, Liverpool St and Aldgate. Along similar lines, were what you say true Bedford commuters would always use the fast EMT services, yet quite a lot of them use Thameslink because it provides a single-train journey. There are only two EMT trains from Bedford in the morning that are timed as useful to commuters, arriving St Pancras at 7:48* and 8:39 The evening peak is inherently more spread out, and there's a better choice of departures at 17:00, 17:30, 18:00* and 18:30 * via Corby services, so might be a 5-car train only. -- Roland Perry |
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On 06/10/2014 19:25, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Mon, 6 Oct 2014 10:20:24 -0700 (PDT), Piatkow wrote: You could have made all the same ridership arguements about reopening the North London Line to Stratford and look how busy it is now! Considering what traffic in Watford is like whenever I visit I would expect abstraction from both bus and car traffic as well as new journey opportunities. The link caters for travel to Watford from a large slice of north west London and travel to the Harrow and Wembley areas from Watford and interchange at Watford Junction for journeys that would otherwise require travel to central London. I never understand why some people are convinced that public transport is only used to commute to Central London. And yet if you look at patronage on the DC line into Watford Junction it's not exactly overburdened with passengers north of Harrow nor does it carry a lot of local traffic. Hopefully the new extension of the Met will encourage some transfer from cars but it really depends on whether people find the stations in Watford to be convenient to use. A second factor will be how convenient transfers from Amersham line trains will be at Moor Park. I actually think Amersham, or even Aylesbury, to Watford Junction via the north curve is the service that would do well and would take traffic off the roads. Whether that will be deemed feasible or desirable is a separate issue. I am not certain abou that. An Amerham - Watford - St Albans bus service was tried aboout 2 years ago and only lasted 3 months. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com |
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Neil Williams wrote:
That it does, but where it might win out is the "lazy journey" option for those working in the northern parts of the City easily reachable from Moorgate, Barbican, Liverpool St and Aldgate. Along similar lines, were what you say true Bedford commuters would always use the fast EMT services, yet quite a lot of them use Thameslink because it provides a single-train journey. Take out the 10 minute walk from a Euston platform to Euston Square and the on average about 5 minute wait for a train to the City that you can physically get on (normally the Met from Amersham/Chesham), the timings might not be so bad. And you'll be sure of a seat both ways, particularly if boarding at Aldgate on the return. But the line didn't do so well when it was connected at the DC line and ran to Broad Street. That was a long time ago, but have the reasons why the first attempted revival failed been understood? Theo |
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Theo Markettos wrote:
Neil Williams wrote: That it does, but where it might win out is the "lazy journey" option for those working in the northern parts of the City easily reachable from Moorgate, Barbican, Liverpool St and Aldgate. Along similar lines, were what you say true Bedford commuters would always use the fast EMT services, yet quite a lot of them use Thameslink because it provides a single-train journey. Take out the 10 minute walk from a Euston platform to Euston Square and the on average about 5 minute wait for a train to the City that you can physically get on (normally the Met from Amersham/Chesham), the timings might not be so bad. And you'll be sure of a seat both ways, particularly if boarding at Aldgate on the return. But the line didn't do so well when it was connected at the DC line and ran to Broad Street. That was a long time ago, but have the reasons why the first attempted revival failed been understood? Just speculation, but the London boom has increased employment, London housing costs are forcing people to live further out, and driving into Central London work isn't an option for most. The Met line may also be faster to the City than the old Broad St line was? |
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