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http://crossrail2.co.uk Latest consulation report published here - can'ts e it adds anything much. E. |
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On 2014\10\28 20:26, eastender wrote:
New site? http://crossrail2.co.uk Latest consulation report published here - can'ts e it adds anything much. E. If the Kings Cross station is going to stretch to Euston at one end, why cant the Tottenham Court Road station stretch to Piccadilly Circus at one end? Terminus at New Southgate? LOL. What are they playing at? If they are going to Ally Pally at all, they should send half the trains to Gordon Hill and half to New Barnet, and put a new station by the North London Business Park while they are at it. |
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2014, Basil Jet remarked: http://crossrail2.co.uk Latest consulation report published here - can'ts e it adds anything much. If the Kings Cross station is going to stretch to Euston at one end, why cant the Tottenham Court Road station stretch to Piccadilly Circus at one end? Is the TCR station allowed for in the design of Crossrail 1, or will they have to dig it all up again? -- Roland Perry |
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Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 21:00:50 on Tue, 28 Oct 2014, Basil Jet remarked: http://crossrail2.co.uk Latest consulation report published here - can'ts e it adds anything much. If the Kings Cross station is going to stretch to Euston at one end, why cant the Tottenham Court Road station stretch to Piccadilly Circus at one end? Is the TCR station allowed for in the design of Crossrail 1, or will they have to dig it all up again? Even if they've made some provision, squeezing in another set of large platform and escalator tunnels under Tottenham Court Rd won't be easy. Remember the "threading the needle" bit of the Crossrail documentary? That suggests there isn't much spare space for more tunnels down there, so presumably CR2 will have to go very deep, below the London clay. |
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, at 03:15:37 on Wed, 29 Oct 2014, Recliner remarked: Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 21:00:50 on Tue, 28 Oct 2014, Basil Jet remarked: http://crossrail2.co.uk Latest consulation report published here - can'ts e it adds anything much. If the Kings Cross station is going to stretch to Euston at one end, why cant the Tottenham Court Road station stretch to Piccadilly Circus at one end? Is the TCR station allowed for in the design of Crossrail 1, or will they have to dig it all up again? Even if they've made some provision, squeezing in another set of large platform and escalator tunnels under Tottenham Court Rd won't be easy. Remember the "threading the needle" bit of the Crossrail documentary? Yes, I had that in mind, although that was east-west and Crossrail 2 is north-south, so perhaps it could run parallel to the Northern Line and above Crossrail (which we know by the "eye of needle" thing is the same depth as the Northern), and I think that means above the Central (at TCR there's one set of escalators down to the central and an intermediate concourse, then another set down to the Northern). That suggests there isn't much spare space for more tunnels down there, so presumably CR2 will have to go very deep, below the London clay. -- Roland Perry |
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Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 03:15:37 on Wed, 29 Oct 2014, Recliner remarked: Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 21:00:50 on Tue, 28 Oct 2014, Basil Jet remarked: http://crossrail2.co.uk Latest consulation report published here - can'ts e it adds anything much. If the Kings Cross station is going to stretch to Euston at one end, why cant the Tottenham Court Road station stretch to Piccadilly Circus at one end? Is the TCR station allowed for in the design of Crossrail 1, or will they have to dig it all up again? Even if they've made some provision, squeezing in another set of large platform and escalator tunnels under Tottenham Court Rd won't be easy. Remember the "threading the needle" bit of the Crossrail documentary? Yes, I had that in mind, although that was east-west and Crossrail 2 is north-south, so perhaps it could run parallel to the Northern Line and above Crossrail (which we know by the "eye of needle" thing is the same depth as the Northern), and I think that means above the Central (at TCR there's one set of escalators down to the central and an intermediate concourse, then another set down to the Northern). Of course, CR2 also has to cross the Northern line somewhere in that area. Hopefully the much enlarged new concourse and interchange areas will be able to cope with the extra CR2 load. |
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, at 04:58:23 on Wed, 29 Oct 2014, Recliner remarked: http://crossrail2.co.uk Latest consulation report published here - can'ts e it adds anything much. If the Kings Cross station is going to stretch to Euston at one end, why cant the Tottenham Court Road station stretch to Piccadilly Circus at one end? Is the TCR station allowed for in the design of Crossrail 1, or will they have to dig it all up again? Even if they've made some provision, squeezing in another set of large platform and escalator tunnels under Tottenham Court Rd won't be easy. Remember the "threading the needle" bit of the Crossrail documentary? Yes, I had that in mind, although that was east-west and Crossrail 2 is north-south, so perhaps it could run parallel to the Northern Line and above Crossrail (which we know by the "eye of needle" thing is the same depth as the Northern), and I think that means above the Central (at TCR there's one set of escalators down to the central and an intermediate concourse, then another set down to the Northern). Of course, CR2 also has to cross the Northern line somewhere in that area. And the Piccadilly (and further south the Circle and Victoria), but all crossings could be arranged to be away from subterranean hot-spots like TCR. Hopefully the much enlarged new concourse and interchange areas will be able to cope with the extra CR2 load. -- Roland Perry |
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Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 04:58:23 on Wed, 29 Oct 2014, Recliner remarked: http://crossrail2.co.uk Latest consulation report published here - can'ts e it adds anything much. If the Kings Cross station is going to stretch to Euston at one end, why cant the Tottenham Court Road station stretch to Piccadilly Circus at one end? Is the TCR station allowed for in the design of Crossrail 1, or will they have to dig it all up again? Even if they've made some provision, squeezing in another set of large platform and escalator tunnels under Tottenham Court Rd won't be easy. Remember the "threading the needle" bit of the Crossrail documentary? Yes, I had that in mind, although that was east-west and Crossrail 2 is north-south, so perhaps it could run parallel to the Northern Line and above Crossrail (which we know by the "eye of needle" thing is the same depth as the Northern), and I think that means above the Central (at TCR there's one set of escalators down to the central and an intermediate concourse, then another set down to the Northern). Of course, CR2 also has to cross the Northern line somewhere in that area. And the Piccadilly (and further south the Circle and Victoria), but all crossings could be arranged to be away from subterranean hot-spots like TCR. There's also underground rivers, sewers, gas and water mains, power and telecoms cables, deep building foundations, various secret government tunnels... |
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On 2014\10\29 08:15, Recliner wrote:
Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 21:00:50 on Tue, 28 Oct 2014, Basil Jet remarked: http://crossrail2.co.uk Latest consulation report published here - can'ts e it adds anything much. If the Kings Cross station is going to stretch to Euston at one end, why can't the Tottenham Court Road station stretch to Piccadilly Circus at one end? Is the TCR station allowed for in the design of Crossrail 1, or will they have to dig it all up again? Even if they've made some provision, squeezing in another set of large platform and escalator tunnels under Tottenham Court Rd won't be easy. Remember the "threading the needle" bit of the Crossrail documentary? That suggests there isn't much spare space for more tunnels down there, so presumably CR2 will have to go very deep, below the London clay. I don't think so... some years ago, they were saying that if CR2 was going to be tube gauge it was going to have a station at Piccadilly Circus, but that if it was going to mainline gauge it couldn't, because there wouldn't be room for the larger station tunnels... which suggest that the tunnels will weave through at approximately the same height as unmoveable stuff already there, such as the Bakerloo and Piccadilly lines. |
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a connection with London Overground at South Tottenham. Why not? Hasn't TfL heard of London Overground? Is not the single biggest weakness of London Overground the fact that it doesn't connect very often with other rail routes? |
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On 29/10/2014 16:06, Robin9 wrote: 'eastender[_4_ Wrote: ;145332']New site? http://crossrail2.co.uk Latest consulation report published here - can'ts e it adds anything much. (Tapped out on an ipad per chance?!) It certainly doesn't add to the Hackney/Tottenham Hale route the possibility of a connection with London Overground at South Tottenham. Why not? Hasn't TfL heard of London Overground? Is not the single biggest weakness of London Overground the fact that it doesn't connect London Overground often with other rail routes? Is it? Or is the single biggest weakness of LO that it's very convenient for lots of people, and so perhaps liable to becoming a victim of its own success... (p.s. The above aside is not my considered verdict on the Crossrail 2 proposals, BTW!) |
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"Paul Corfield" wrote in message ... On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 17:06:48 +0100, Robin9 wrote: 'eastender[_4_ Wrote: ;145332']New site? http://crossrail2.co.uk Latest consulation report published here - can'ts e it adds anything much. E. It certainly doesn't add to the Hackney/Tottenham Hale route the possibility of a connection with London Overground at South Tottenham. Why not? Hasn't TfL heard of London Overground? Is not the single biggest weakness of London Overground the fact that it doesn't connect very often with other rail routes? I think you're getting "hot under the collar" for no good reason. While the precise station locations / designs are not yet fixed I have certainly read that a connection to South Tottenham is certainly being considered by TfL. Pretty sure this was in some of the early documentation. This is on the basis that CR2 stations will be very long and therefore required to be double ended. It is therefore entirely plausible that one end of the station will link to the Seven Sisters NR / LU station and the southern end can connect with South Tottenham station. TfL will certainly try, where it is feasible, to provide sensible connections with other rail services when they build CR2. The main problem is that the sheer scale of the stations makes them ridiculously expensive which is why we have the palpable nonsense of no intermediate stop between Dalston and Seven Sisters. Fast it may be but convenient for local people certainly not. Ditto the lack of an intermediate stop on Essex Road - "no demand" allegedly. Utter nonsense. Have they no idea how busy the buses are along there? The entire scheme is a mess dreamed up by a mix of business people and politicians and then somehow forced into something that is sort of justified in transport terms. It's completely the wrong answer to adding capacity in North London and somehow relieving pressure on the SW main line into Waterloo. -- Paul C What is the answer? |
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popular will be a lot cheaper and a lot less work than constructing new connections with other rail routes. The only practicable way of establishing new connections will be by incorporating them into any new rail routes. |
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