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Why People Won't Use Public Transport in London
For a long story not worth going into I am currently trying to prove
for a client the benefits of using a private car/taxi over public transport. I am intrested in anyone who lives in London (or any other major city/Town in the UK or rest of the world) who has access to good public transport such as buses, trams, trains, underground, other LTR but still drives to their place of work. Any views, opionions outright rants agasint public transport inculding the obvious overcrowding, dirty trains, expense would be appericated. Unfortunely spamming and a general distrust agasint anyone asking for personal details on the internet stops me for being e-mailed directly. So just post here. Although if you really are anti-public transport I would like to hear from you and will give you an accessible e-mail address. |
Why People Won't Use Public Transport in London
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Why People Won't Use Public Transport in London
For a long story not worth going into I am currently trying to
prove for a client the benefits of using a private car/taxi over public transport. I am intrested in anyone who lives in London (or any other major city/Town in the UK or rest of the world) who has access to good public transport such as buses, trams, trains, underground, other LTR but still drives to their place of work. 3 million people use the Tube every day (plus 155,000 on the DLR). 5.4 million people a day use the buses. If you find anyone who uses a car despite having access to public transport, you've found a) someone in the minority and b) someone who likes sitting in traffic jams behind delivery trucks and transit vans. WHY would you want to convince someone that being in a car is better than being on public transport, when it's slower, causes more problems for other people and does more damage to the environment? Matt Ashby www.fornogoodreason.org.uk |
Why People Won't Use Public Transport in London
WHY would you want to convince someone that being in a car is better than being on public transport, when it's slower, causes more problems for other people and does more damage to the environment? Matt Ashby I...er...think it might be ...er.......... about making money.....shall we tell the poster to buy (get on)his bike? |
Why People Won't Use Public Transport in London
In article , Matt Ashby
writes 3 million people use the Tube every day (plus 155,000 on the DLR). 5.4 million people a day use the buses. If you find anyone who uses a car despite having access to public transport, you've found a) someone in the minority and b) someone who likes sitting in traffic jams behind delivery trucks and transit vans. WHY would you want to convince someone that being in a car is better than being on public transport, when it's slower, causes more problems for other people and does more damage to the environment? So Matt Can you please explain how I can travel on public transport with 150kg of demo kit in 6 flight cases along with associated literature, cable sets etc. When I can use the tube I do, but with all that lot it's just not possible. -- Andrew Electronic communications can be altered and therefore the integrity of this communication can not be guaranteed. Views expressed in this communication are those of the author and not associations or companies I am involved with. |
Why People Won't Use Public Transport in London
"Ben Nunn" wrote in message ...
Unless I'm very much mistaken, it was CJG Now Thankfully Living In The North ), in message who said: For a long story not worth going into I am currently trying to prove for a client the benefits of using a private car/taxi over public transport. I am intrested in anyone who lives in London (or any other major city/Town in the UK or rest of the world) who has access to good public transport such as buses, trams, trains, underground, other LTR but still drives to their place of work. Any views, opionions outright rants agasint public transport inculding the obvious overcrowding, dirty trains, expense would be appericated. Unfortunely spamming and a general distrust agasint anyone asking for personal details on the internet stops me for being e-mailed directly. So just post here. Although if you really are anti-public transport I would like to hear from you and will give you an accessible e-mail address. Is it by any chance a car company this is for? :D:D The fact that you dictate your means of private transport is a large bonus in this case, you choose what car and what way you go to an extent. The facility of the car is a very strong arguement over public transport, you can be on the way straight from your house and vice-versa. Also cars carry a lot more than is humanly possible on public transport making shopping easier. In certain conurbations the road system has been designed for the car and it is easier than using public transport to get around these places, Birmingham springs to mind. In rural areas a car is a must, no public transport or very little. |
Why People Won't Use Public Transport in London
Andrew P Smith wrote:
In article , Matt Ashby writes 3 million people use the Tube every day (plus 155,000 on the DLR). 5.4 million people a day use the buses. If you find anyone who uses a car despite having access to public transport, you've found a) someone in the minority and b) someone who likes sitting in traffic jams behind delivery trucks and transit vans. WHY would you want to convince someone that being in a car is better than being on public transport, when it's slower, causes more problems for other people and does more damage to the environment? So Matt Can you please explain how I can travel on public transport with 150kg of demo kit in 6 flight cases along with associated literature, cable sets etc. When I can use the tube I do, but with all that lot it's just not possible. Did anyone suggest you should carry that lot on the underground? |
Why People Won't Use Public Transport in London
"Ben Nunn" wrote in message
... If you're five minutes late setting out in your car, you're five minutes late, but if you're five minutes late catching a train, you can miss connections, which in turn might mean you miss other connections, and your journey schedule can be ****ed completely. Depending on the time of day, this can happen in a car as well. I have heard many car drivers say that if they leave their house five minutes later, their journey takes half an hour longer. I have the reverse problem... I have to get somewhere at approx 10:30 every Friday, and no matter what time I leave the house (by car) I get there at about the same time. This is because a bus lane alongside the main traffic jam deactivates at 10 am, so no matter where I am in the traffic jam at 9:59 I can be at the front of it at 10:01, because all the other drivers just remain in the traffic jam. (Admittedly my radio-controlled watch gives me an advantage over most of them.) -- John Rowland - Spamtrapped Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001 http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood. That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line - It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes |
Why People Won't Use Public Transport in London
In article , Cast_Iron
writes Andrew P Smith wrote: In article , Matt Ashby writes 3 million people use the Tube every day (plus 155,000 on the DLR). 5.4 million people a day use the buses. If you find anyone who uses a car despite having access to public transport, you've found a) someone in the minority and b) someone who likes sitting in traffic jams behind delivery trucks and transit vans. WHY would you want to convince someone that being in a car is better than being on public transport, when it's slower, causes more problems for other people and does more damage to the environment? So Matt Can you please explain how I can travel on public transport with 150kg of demo kit in 6 flight cases along with associated literature, cable sets etc. When I can use the tube I do, but with all that lot it's just not possible. Did anyone suggest you should carry that lot on the underground? The suggestion was anti car, I can't do my job without my car (or a small van etc). -- Andrew Electronic communications can be altered and therefore the integrity of this communication can not be guaranteed. Views expressed in this communication are those of the author and not associations or companies I am involved with. |
Why People Won't Use Public Transport in London
Andrew P Smith wrote:
In article , Cast_Iron writes Did anyone suggest you should carry that lot on the underground? The suggestion was anti car, I can't do my job without my car (or a small van etc). My reading of it was to question why someone would want to sit in an endless traffic jam if they don't need to. Carrying large quantities of equipment obviously limits one's choices. That is not anti-car, merely pro public transport and if more people not carrying large quantiites of equipment were to use public transport it would leave the roads clearer for people such as you who do have a demonstrable need.. |
Why People Won't Use Public Transport in London
In message , CJC
writes In certain conurbations the road system has been designed for the car and it is easier than using public transport to get around these places, Birmingham springs to mind. Not especially. Well no more or less than any other big city, anyway. I almost always use public transport for radial journeys into Birmingham, where it is (from my suburb) very good. Oddly enough, I have to take the Car into Birmingham this evening as I have a load of equipment to carry. I can't remember when I last did that. For cross suburban journeys, the car *is* frequently better but again this is little different from other cities; I don't regard Birmingham's road network as being any more or less car orientated than other provincial British cities. Then - and this is something I seldom see quoted - there are the inherent advantages of public transport over the car. You are relieved of the effort of driving, can sit down and read or just watch the continuous passing scene [1] and not have to worry about merging traffic, awkward turns or even keeping awake. Sometime the car is best, sometimes public transport is best. There's no "Big Answer", whatever your client would like you to say! :-) [1] Okay not on the tube in rush hour or on underground sections! -- Ian Jelf, MITG, Birmingham, UK Registered "Blue Badge" Tourist Guide for London & the Heart of England http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk |
Why People Won't Use Public Transport in London
In message , Andrew P Smith
writes Can you please explain how I can travel on public transport with 150kg of demo kit in 6 flight cases along with associated literature, cable sets etc. You can't. Therefore, the more people who can use the tube who do do so, the easier the car journey is for people like you who, on that occasion, can't. -- Ian Jelf, MITG, Birmingham, UK Registered "Blue Badge" Tourist Guide for London & the Heart of England http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk |
Why People Won't Use Public Transport in London
Crawley
A "guided bus" system called Fastway is currently under construction. It has been causing chaos for about two years already and is far from finished, and is costing a fortune. The route is already running, and is (and will be) serving only a small part of the town. The rest of the bus system is in decay - old uncomfotable buses. As a result of the introduction, other services in the area are being curtailed, meaning that busy routes which were direct now have to been done with changing. Not a great incentive to use public transport. The money would have been far better spent providing a modern, efficient system for the whole town. |
Why People Won't Use Public Transport in London
Andrew P Smith wrote in message ...
In article , Cast_Iron writes Andrew P Smith wrote: In article , Matt Ashby writes 3 million people use the Tube every day (plus 155,000 on the DLR). 5.4 million people a day use the buses. If you find anyone who uses a car despite having access to public transport, you've found a) someone in the minority and b) someone who likes sitting in traffic jams behind delivery trucks and transit vans. WHY would you want to convince someone that being in a car is better than being on public transport, when it's slower, causes more problems for other people and does more damage to the environment? So Matt Can you please explain how I can travel on public transport with 150kg of demo kit in 6 flight cases along with associated literature, cable sets etc. When I can use the tube I do, but with all that lot it's just not possible. Did anyone suggest you should carry that lot on the underground? The suggestion was anti car, I can't do my job without my car (or a small van etc). It seems ironic that when you ask people why they still use their car when they have alternative means (in general not on this newsgroup) a majority of them tell you how much they hate using their car, how much they depise drivers, how much they hate to think of the damage their cars are going to cause in the future for their children yet they still sit in traffic jams and drive everywhere. And the minorirty of people who enjoy driving and choose to drive everywhere tend to come up with great ideas like keeping to the speed limit in order to beat those moneygrabbing people who install speed cameras At the end of the day. Its a choice between travelling in air-condtioned luxury. Listening to music or the radio (and your choice of music not whatever you can hear in the walkman of the person next to you). In an enclosed personal enviroment that is as clean as you wish it to be. In your own company or company of people you know. |
Why People Won't Use Public Transport in London
"CJG Now Thankfully Living In The North" wrote in message At the end of the day. Its a choice between travelling in air-condtioned luxury. Listening to music or the radio (and your choice of music not whatever you can hear in the walkman of the person next to you). In an enclosed personal enviroment that is as clean as you wish it to be. In your own company or company of people you know. More easily described a social inadequates. |
Why People Won't Use Public Transport in London
"CJG Now Thankfully Living In The North" wrote in message om... For a long story not worth going into I am currently trying to prove for a client the benefits of using a private car/taxi over public transport. I am intrested in anyone who lives in London (or any other major city/Town in the UK or rest of the world) who has access to good public transport such as buses, trams, trains, underground, other LTR but still drives to their place of work. Any views, opionions outright rants agasint public transport inculding the obvious overcrowding, dirty trains, expense would be appericated. If you really want that, why did you post here, as opposed to uk.transport ? To say they prefer cars there is like saying that the desert is a bit dry ;) RMS |
Why People Won't Use Public Transport in London
In message , Matt Ashby
writes WHY would you want to convince someone that being in a car is better than being on public transport, when it's slower, causes more problems for other people and does more damage to the environment? Because you regularly need to get home after the last train? (And that's just *one* example). -- Roland Perry |
Why People Won't Use Public Transport in London
On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 01:06:34 +0000 (UTC), "Cast_Iron"
wrote: Roland Perry wrote: In message , Matt Ashby writes WHY would you want to convince someone that being in a car is better than being on public transport, when it's slower, causes more problems for other people and does more damage to the environment? Because you regularly need to get home after the last train? (And that's just *one* example). Out of all the people who travel into, out of, within or through central London what percentage need to travel after the last train has left? Besides the revellers, quite a small army of Maintainance and service ppl, from Cleaners, security, to Engineers. Keith J Chesworth www.unseenlondon.co.uk www.blackpooltram.co.uk www.happysnapper.com www.boilerbill.com - main site www.amerseyferry.co.uk |
Why People Won't Use Public Transport in London
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , Matt Ashby writes WHY would you want to convince someone that being in a car is better than being on public transport, when it's slower, causes more problems for other people and does more damage to the environment? Because you regularly need to get home after the last train? (And that's just *one* example). Out of all the people who travel into, out of, within or through central London what percentage need to travel after the last train has left? |
Why People Won't Use Public Transport in London
In message , Cast_Iron
writes Out of all the people who travel into, out of, within or through central London what percentage need to travel after the last train has left? Quite a lot of those out and about in cars at that hour. My last train home from Paddington used to be at about 8.30pm, so I'm especially sensitive about the issue. Having said that, Kings Cross is pretty hostile between then and midnight - even if there are still a few trains running. -- Roland Perry |
Why People Won't Use Public Transport in London
Keith J Chesworth wrote:
On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 01:06:34 +0000 (UTC), "Cast_Iron" wrote: Roland Perry wrote: In message , Matt Ashby writes WHY would you want to convince someone that being in a car is better than being on public transport, when it's slower, causes more problems for other people and does more damage to the environment? Because you regularly need to get home after the last train? (And that's just *one* example). Out of all the people who travel into, out of, within or through central London what percentage need to travel after the last train has left? Besides the revellers, quite a small army of Maintainance and service ppl, from Cleaners, security, to Engineers. Excepting the revellers, they will all need to carry tools and other equipment so will have a "legitimate" reason for driving. But it still doesn't answer the question regarding what percentage need to travel after the last train has left? |
Why People Won't Use Public Transport in London
CJG Now Thankfully Living In The North
wrote: For a long story not worth going into I am currently trying to prove for a client the benefits of using a private car/taxi over public transport. If the story is not worth going into, nor is the answer! Are you by any chance a used car dealer? I am intrested in anyone who lives in London (or any other major city/Town in the UK or rest of the world) who has access to good public transport such as buses, trams, trains, underground, other LTR but still drives to their place of work. Any views, opionions outright rants agasint public transport inculding the obvious overcrowding, dirty trains, expense would be appericated. The best reason I've heard was the fake ad on Smack The Pony: Cars - so much bigger than your average handbag! Unfortunely spamming and a general distrust agasint anyone asking for personal details on the internet stops me for being e-mailed directly. Try writing out your email address and ROT13ing it. So just post here. Although if you really are anti-public transport I would like to hear from you and will give you an accessible e-mail address. My sister drives everywhere, claiming that buses and trains are too noisy! -- Aidan Stanger fgnat_n ng vuht qbgpbz qbg nh |
Why People Won't Use Public Transport in London
In message , Cast_Iron
writes But it still doesn't answer the question regarding what percentage need to travel after the last train has left? The question you should really ask is: how many need to travel occasionally after the last train has left. Because being forced to find a different way home, for those occasions (eg a car), leaves you more likely to consider using the car at all times. In my own case, the unreliability of WAGN after Hatfield caused me to reconsider travelling by train, and to buy a new car and drive to work every day (not just the days I couldn't afford to be late), because once I had the car I might as well use it (being half an hour quicker than the train, even when the train was running perfectly). -- Roland Perry |
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Why People Won't Use Public Transport in London
On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 09:14:30 +0000 (UTC), "Cast_Iron"
wrote: Keith J Chesworth wrote: On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 01:06:34 +0000 (UTC), "Cast_Iron" wrote: Roland Perry wrote: In message , Matt Ashby writes WHY would you want to convince someone that being in a car is better than being on public transport, when it's slower, causes more problems for other people and does more damage to the environment? Because you regularly need to get home after the last train? (And that's just *one* example). Out of all the people who travel into, out of, within or through central London what percentage need to travel after the last train has left? Besides the revellers, quite a small army of Maintainance and service ppl, from Cleaners, security, to Engineers. Excepting the revellers, they will all need to carry tools and other equipment so will have a "legitimate" reason for driving. But it still doesn't answer the question regarding what percentage need to travel after the last train has left? Not the fixed base ones I am thinking about. Keiths www.unseenlondon.co.uk www.blackpooltram.co.uk www.happysnapper.com www.boilerbill.com - main site www.amerseyferry.co.uk |
Why People Won't Use Public Transport in London
It's been quite a while since I regularly used the tube, but one thing
not to my taste was buskers in the carriages. There were two in particular: the first was a scruffy yob with a crap guitar who plagued the Piccadilly line from Heathrow - the incoming tourists loved him "Gee so this is London's cool music scene"; the second was a travelling band of Peruvian (?) players in national dress, complete with drums and panpipes, who used the District line in the central area, and were quite intrusive when pasing the hat round at the end. The right place for buskers is at the end of the escalators or in the interchange areas (not platforms) where you are free to give them something or not, and are not forced to listen to them for long. ISTR LUL now has some sort of "Approved Busker" scheme of this nature, but do you still get the itinerant noise-merchant in the carriages? |
Why People Won't Use Public Transport in London
Robert Eves wrote:
(snip) do you still get the itinerant noise-merchant in the carriages? I have only experienced this on one occasion in London (it's much more common on the Paris Metro). You are more likely, in my experience, to encounter beggars, sometimes a woman carrying a child, on tube trains, though even these are uncommon. -- John Ray, London UK. Mail to mefp49 is unlikely to be read. I can be contacted at xcf70 (same ISP). |
Why People Won't Use Public Transport in London
In article , Robert Eves wrote:
do you still get the itinerant noise-merchant in the carriages? Yes, especially on the District Line for some reason. I regularly take it from East Putney to the City, and I often come across two scruffy blokes with a guitar and a pair of bongos, who regail the passengers to such home-grown classics as "You Can't Have A Shave In A Toilet". I turn up my Minidisc and ignore them as best I can. I like to be left in peace and quiet when travelling. -- | grendel [at] durge [dot] org | web technologist | london, uk | "It's people like you what cause unrest" |
Why People Won't Use Public Transport in London
"Henry" wrote in message ...
Crawley A "guided bus" system called Fastway is currently under construction. It has been causing chaos for about two years already and is far from finished, and is costing a fortune. The route is already running, and is (and will be) serving only a small part of the town. The rest of the bus system is in decay - old uncomfotable buses. As a result of the introduction, other services in the area are being curtailed, meaning that busy routes which were direct now have to been done with changing. Not a great incentive to use public transport. The money would have been far better spent providing a modern, efficient system for the whole town. As someone who use to live in the Crawley area. The only good think about Crawley buses was the Metrobus (the dark blue buses whatever they were called) under female driver who use to wear a Metrobus issued short skirt. If all bus drivers were like this maybe congestion would fall. |
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Why People Won't Use Public Transport in London
In article om,
Grendel writes In article , Robert Eves wrote: do you still get the itinerant noise-merchant in the carriages? Yes, especially on the District Line for some reason. I regularly take it from East Putney to the City, and I often come across two scruffy blokes with a guitar and a pair of bongos, who regail the passengers to such home-grown classics as "You Can't Have A Shave In A Toilet". I turn up my Minidisc and ignore them as best I can. I like to be left in peace and quiet when travelling. There is a major begging problem on the Picc from Heathrow to Hammersmith with lots of begging gangs working the section of line' I was going through one of the central London stations last week and heard an announcement about beggars on the Northern causing service problems by refusing to leave the train and fighting with Police and LU staff. Sorry, can't remember what station I was at - possibly KX? I think that drivers should make regular announcements re beggars on the trains asking people not to give money to them. -- Andrew Electronic communications can be altered and therefore the integrity of this communication can not be guaranteed. Views expressed in this communication are those of the author and not associations or companies I am involved with. |
Why People Won't Use Public Transport in London
Andrew P Smith wrote the following in:
I think that drivers should make regular announcements re beggars on the trains asking people not to give money to them. I don't! The last thing I want to hear is another routine announcement on top of the "We are currently operating a good service on..." ones. Those ones are getting rather annoying, can't they make them only when there are problems? -- message by Robin May, enforcer of sod's law. The Hutton Report is a whitewash! Long live the BBC! To annoy people in a slow lift: run up the stairs faster than the lift moves and press the lift call button on each floor. |
Why People Won't Use Public Transport in London
In article , Robin May
writes Andrew P Smith wrote the following in: I think that drivers should make regular announcements re beggars on the trains asking people not to give money to them. I don't! The last thing I want to hear is another routine announcement on top of the "We are currently operating a good service on..." ones. Those ones are getting rather annoying, can't they make them only when there are problems? LU has been heavily criticised in the past for providing no information to the passengers about problems. I agree with you that there are now too many announcements about service etc but I feel an on train announcement re beggars every 20 mins or so would not be amiss. -- Andrew Electronic communications can be altered and therefore the integrity of this communication can not be guaranteed. Views expressed in this communication are those of the author and not associations or companies I am involved with. |
Why People Won't Use Public Transport in London
Robin May wrote:
Andrew P Smith wrote the following in: I think that drivers should make regular announcements re beggars on the trains asking people not to give money to them. I don't! The last thing I want to hear is another routine announcement on top of the "We are currently operating a good service on..." ones. Those ones are getting rather annoying, can't they make them only when there are problems? Because it's not "customer friendly". |
Why People Won't Use Public Transport in London
Andrew P Smith wrote the following in:
LU has been heavily criticised in the past for providing no information to the passengers about problems. I agree with you that there are now too many announcements about service etc but I feel an on train announcement re beggars every 20 mins or so would not be amiss. I've only really seen beggars on trains on the Heathrow section of the Piccadilly line, the NLL and occasionally on the District line. I'd be very annoyed if I was constantly being warned about beggars that I never see, especially seeing as when I have encountered beggars no one has given them money anyway. -- message by Robin May, enforcer of sod's law. The Hutton Report is a whitewash! Long live the BBC! To annoy people in a slow lift: run up the stairs faster than the lift moves and press the lift call button on each floor. |
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