On 2014\11\22 15:49, Mark wrote:
On Saturday, 22 November 2014 11:01:54 UTC, wrote:
Punctuality and reliability are highly valued by passengers even if

Its supposed to be a turn up and go metro service. I doubt anyone seriously
checks the timetable beforehand. So long as trains turn up every 3 or 4
minutes thats all that matters.

It isn't though, passengers to/from the southern branches seem to treat it as a timetabled
service on the whole - at my local station (Norwood Junction) the bulk of passengers in the
morning peak turn up just before the train. It might be only 4tph but equally spaced at the
same times all day so it's easy for people to get used to the times, which helps.

For much of the week, the trains to and from Crystal Palace and Croydon
follow each other on and off the main section instead of being about 7
minutes apart with the New Cross and Clapham trains between them. So
anyone commuting between, say Brockley and Wapping has a very bunched
service. Was that really the only way to fit the trains in?

https://www.tfl.gov.uk/cdn/static/cm...-timetable.pdf

On Saturday, 22 November 2014 17:45:30 UTC, Basil Jet wrote:
On 2014\11\22 15:49, Mark wrote:
On Saturday, 22 November 2014 11:01:54 UTC, wrote:
Punctuality and reliability are highly valued by passengers even if

Its supposed to be a turn up and go metro service. I doubt anyone seriously
checks the timetable beforehand. So long as trains turn up every 3 or 4
minutes thats all that matters.

It isn't though, passengers to/from the southern branches seem to treat it as a timetabled
service on the whole - at my local station (Norwood Junction) the bulk of passengers in the
morning peak turn up just before the train. It might be only 4tph but equally spaced at the
same times all day so it's easy for people to get used to the times, which helps.

For much of the week, the trains to and from Crystal Palace and Croydon
follow each other on and off the main section instead of being about 7
minutes apart with the New Cross and Clapham trains between them. So
anyone commuting between, say Brockley and Wapping has a very bunched
service. Was that really the only way to fit the trains in?

https://www.tfl.gov.uk/cdn/static/cm...-timetable.pdf

As far as I understand it from what was said when it was introduced, yes. It required massive service
changes on the London Bridge - Croydons - beyond route to accommodate the Overground timetable,
and presumably a clockface timetable on the individual branches was a goal.

Stations beyond West Croydon lost their stopping services to London Bridge and their semi-fast services
other than a handful in the peaks. Many services via West Croydon were diverted to the fast lines
between Norwood and London Bridge (resulting in the pretty odd situation that Norwood Junction has
a better service to London Bridge between the peaks than in peak - 6tph fast and 2tph stopping)
Likewise stations south of London Bridge now have a poor direct service to East Croydon. Two of
the 6tph (Horsham via Gatwick) have since been changed to make a stop a New Cross Gate as a
slight improvement to that (with another benefit that the original ELL stations are now a single
change from Gatwick)

The losers were definitely passengers from south of the Croydons wanting the intermediate stops, and
passengers from those intermediate stops travelling south of Croydon.

On Sunday, 23 November 2014 01:27:50 UTC, Mark wrote:
As far as I understand it from what was said when it was introduced, yes. It required massive service
changes on the London Bridge - Croydons - beyond route to accommodate the Overground timetable,
and presumably a clockface timetable on the individual branches was a goal.

(And Sydenham - New Cross Gate is 12tph - at a very even pattern too - which must be close to the realistic maximum for the line I'd have thought? If I remember right from when I lived there that's
double the service there was before London Overground)