Overground - hopeless
 

I've given up using the overground from highbury - its just a totally
inadequate service.

The main problem I can see a

- Train service too infrequent in the rush hour. Waiting 6-7 minutes for a
train to turn up then leave when the platform is bursting is absurd.

- The 387s are hopeless for a metro service. Poor acceleration and whoever
thought 2 narrow sets of doors would be adequate for a line this busy
should be sacked. I timed a packed train emptying at Highbury this week
and it took over 2 minutes for everyone to get off through all the people
waiting to get on.

- 2 out of every 3 northbound trains terminating at dalston junction is a
joke. Hardly anyone goes to Dalston, almost everyone goes to highbury.

--
Spud

Overground - hopeless
 

Paul Corfield wrote:
On Fri, 05 Dec 2014 19:42:31 GMT, d wrote:

I've given up using the overground from highbury - its just a totally
inadequate service.

The main problem I can see a

- Train service too infrequent in the rush hour. Waiting 6-7 minutes for a
train to turn up then leave when the platform is bursting is absurd.

Every 7-8 mins is the scheduled peak headway. The NLL is planned to
go up to every 6 minutes eventually. No idea about the ELL
intensifying the service to Highbury.

- The 387s are hopeless for a metro service. Poor acceleration and whoever
thought 2 narrow sets of doors would be adequate for a line this busy
should be sacked. I timed a packed train emptying at Highbury this week
and it took over 2 minutes for everyone to get off through all the people
waiting to get on.

- 2 out of every 3 northbound trains terminating at dalston junction is a
joke. Hardly anyone goes to Dalston, almost everyone goes to highbury.

And of course there are no other main line trains in use in London
with two doors per carriage are there!? I agree peak dwell times are
long but that's hardly unique on main line services in London.

I think the new Crossrail stock will be the first modern stock to have
three doors per carriage.

Do you know why the 378s and S stock are so different? Both were built at
the same time, in the same factory, for the same ultimate customer. Both
have open gangways, and a similar urban role. One is based on the Movia
platform, one on the Electrostar. Both run on modern NR tracks, and both on
current or former LU tracks.

Overground - hopeless
 

In article ,
(Paul Corfield) wrote:

On Fri, 05 Dec 2014 19:42:31 GMT, d wrote:

I've given up using the overground from highbury - its just a totally
inadequate service.

The main problem I can see a

- Train service too infrequent in the rush hour. Waiting 6-7 minutes for
a train to turn up then leave when the platform is bursting is absurd.

Every 7-8 mins is the scheduled peak headway. The NLL is planned to
go up to every 6 minutes eventually. No idea about the ELL
intensifying the service to Highbury.

I must admit I can't see why more trains don't go to Highbury. It's not
obvious why terminating at Dalston Junction is a good idea except that the
original ELL extension plan only went there, with the Highbury extension
following later for some reason.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Overground - hopeless
 

wrote:
In article ,
(Paul Corfield) wrote:

On Fri, 05 Dec 2014 19:42:31 GMT, d wrote:

I've given up using the overground from highbury - its just a totally
inadequate service.

The main problem I can see a

- Train service too infrequent in the rush hour. Waiting 6-7 minutes for
a train to turn up then leave when the platform is bursting is absurd.

Every 7-8 mins is the scheduled peak headway. The NLL is planned to
go up to every 6 minutes eventually. No idea about the ELL
intensifying the service to Highbury.

I must admit I can't see why more trains don't go to Highbury. It's not
obvious why terminating at Dalston Junction is a good idea except that the
original ELL extension plan only went there, with the Highbury extension
following later for some reason.

Is it to do with track layout? There are two bay platforms at Dalston
Junction, but I think only one at H&I.

Overground - hopeless
 

On 2014-12-05 23:33:21 +0000, Paul Corfield said:

I think the new Crossrail stock will be the first modern stock to have
three doors per carriage.

I must admit to being surprised the LO and S-stocks were designed
separately. S-stock, or a slightly narrower version of it, would be
ideal for LO - and there is little difference practically between the
outer reaches of the Metropolitan Line and parts of LO.

Neil
--
Neil Williams
Put my first name before the @ to reply.

Overground - hopeless
 

I've given up using the overground from highbury - its just a totally
inadequate service.

As it's my local line I find that a wee bit hyperbolic ;) It is
undeniably overloaded much of the time but I rarely fail to get on and
I'm a FOG.

And did anyone predict the growth in traffic at the time of decisions on
the NLL and ELL? I certainly don't seem to recall anyone forecasting eg
14 per cent growth in London's population in the noughties, let alone
the nature and location of that growth. And while it is just my
impression, that growth accounts for a sizeable fraction of passengers
at Highbury and Islington.

--
Robin
reply to address is (meant to be) valid

Overground - hopeless
 

Having used that service quite a lot recently, I agree that the proportion of services extended to H&I is too small. Especially when northbound evening peak services lto H&I lose time due to sheer passenger numbers, and then get terminated short at Dalston.

The service also suffers from using 2 platforms at H&I that don't share an island - both overbridges could do with "Next southbound ELL service..." displays.

Overground - hopeless
 

On Fri, 05 Dec 2014 23:33:21 +0000
Paul Corfield wrote:
On Fri, 05 Dec 2014 19:42:31 GMT, d wrote:
- 2 out of every 3 northbound trains terminating at dalston junction is a
joke. Hardly anyone goes to Dalston, almost everyone goes to highbury.

And of course there are no other main line trains in use in London
with two doors per carriage are there!? I agree peak dwell times are

I don't care - this used to be a tube line and we were promised a tube
style service. Using main line type stock on the ELL was an idiotic decision.

I think the new Crossrail stock will be the first modern stock to have
three doors per carriage.

I can see even that being inadequate if the usage is as high as they're
suggesting.

--
Spud

Overground - hopeless
 

On Sat, 6 Dec 2014 10:37:11 -0000
"Robin" wrote:
I've given up using the overground from highbury - its just a totally
inadequate service.

As it's my local line I find that a wee bit hyperbolic ;) It is
undeniably overloaded much of the time but I rarely fail to get on and
I'm a FOG.

I haven't yet failed to get on. But I've never yet got a seat and there was
always a delay and its always crush loading at highbury. The journey is
potentially more pleasent than using the tube but I just can't put up with the
**** poor service anymore.

And did anyone predict the growth in traffic at the time of decisions on
the NLL and ELL? I certainly don't seem to recall anyone forecasting eg

It should have been pretty obvious I would have thought - a major interchange
like highbury with a new service that provides a short cut to the City and
canary wharf.

14 per cent growth in London's population in the noughties, let alone
the nature and location of that growth. And while it is just my
impression, that growth accounts for a sizeable fraction of passengers
at Highbury and Islington.

Quite possibly. Frankly I'm sick of hearing foreign languages all the damn time
everywhere in this city but thats another discussion.

--
Spud

Overground - hopeless
 

I don't care - this used to be a tube line and we were promised a tube
style service. Using main line type stock on the ELL was an idiotic
decision.

I well recall the promise of a tube-style service of 12 tph for the ELL
and ISTM that's what we have. I don't recall a promise of tube-style
service for the ELL extension but, as is apparent, I am not an
enthusiast, merely a long-time user. Can you please help me with who
made the promise when?

--
Robin
reply to address is (meant to be) valid

Overground - hopeless
 

On 06.12.14 10:37, Robin wrote:
I've given up using the overground from highbury - its just a totally
inadequate service.

As it's my local line I find that a wee bit hyperbolic ;) It is
undeniably overloaded much of the time but I rarely fail to get on and
I'm a FOG.

And did anyone predict the growth in traffic at the time of decisions on
the NLL and ELL? I certainly don't seem to recall anyone forecasting eg
14 per cent growth in London's population in the noughties, let alone
the nature and location of that growth. And while it is just my
impression, that growth accounts for a sizeable fraction of passengers
at Highbury and Islington.


I wonder why they have not yet introduced five-car operation,
considering the passenger volumes, even though they have not finished
making such adjustments at all stations. Could they not lock out the
doors in the fifth car at stations were five-car operation is not yet
available, requiring passengers to move forward?

My guess is that doing this would kill dwell times, and that it is all
the doors are on the 378s are in one zone.

Overground - hopeless
 

wrote in message
...
On Fri, 05 Dec 2014 23:33:21 +0000

I don't care - this used to be a tube line
The stretch from Highbury & Islington to Hoxton and then Broad Street was,
ISTR, *main line*.

The ELL was one of the few parts of the London Underground that was
originally designed and built as a main line. When run as part of LU
Shoreditch only got a service during peak hours and on Sunday mornings. I
believe they ran the whole thing with just 6 x 4-car sets, so I would have
thought it was a fraction of the service level and passenger capacity the
route now has.

--
DAS

Overground - hopeless
 

On 2014-12-06 17:54:06 +0000, d said:

On Sat, 6 Dec 2014 10:37:11 -0000
"Robin" wrote:
I've given up using the overground from highbury - its just a totally
inadequate service.

As it's my local line I find that a wee bit hyperbolic ;) It is
undeniably overloaded much of the time but I rarely fail to get on and
I'm a FOG.

I haven't yet failed to get on. But I've never yet got a seat and there was
always a delay and its always crush loading at highbury. The journey is
potentially more pleasent than using the tube but I just can't put up with the
**** poor service anymore.

It's hardly a poor service from Dalston, which is my local station,
especially if you're going south. And I use the Highbury service quite
often to get to the Victoria line - and really the frequency is very
good for an overground train. As for overcrowding, try getting on the
Victoria at Highbury going south in the morning rushhour.


And did anyone predict the growth in traffic at the time of decisions on
the NLL and ELL? I certainly don't seem to recall anyone forecasting eg

It should have been pretty obvious I would have thought - a major interchange
like highbury with a new service that provides a short cut to the City and
canary wharf.

Of course projections were made. Do you think we'd be better off
without the line?

14 per cent growth in London's population in the noughties, let alone
the nature and location of that growth. And while it is just my
impression, that growth accounts for a sizeable fraction of passengers
at Highbury and Islington.

Quite possibly. Frankly I'm sick of hearing foreign languages all the damn time
everywhere in this city but thats another discussion.

Why don't you move to Clacton or somewhere you can have a UKIP MP as
their areas have some of the lowest numbers of nasty foreigners. You'll
be much happier.

E.

Overground - hopeless
 

In message , at 18:14:35 on Sat, 6 Dec 2014,
" remarked:
I wonder why they have not yet introduced five-car operation,
considering the passenger volumes, even though they have not finished
making such adjustments at all stations. Could they not lock out the
doors in the fifth car at stations were five-car operation is not yet
available, requiring passengers to move forward?

The new trains on whatever the Hammersmith and City is called this week
do that at stations which aren't long enough (and neither have a
realistic expectation of being extended).
--
Roland Perry

Overground - hopeless
 

On 2014-12-06 18:02:01 +0000, Robin said:


I don't care - this used to be a tube line and we were promised a tube
style service. Using main line type stock on the ELL was an idiotic
decision.

I well recall the promise of a tube-style service of 12 tph for the ELL
and ISTM that's what we have. I don't recall a promise of tube-style
service for the ELL extension but, as is apparent, I am not an
enthusiast, merely a long-time user. Can you please help me with who
made the promise when?

He's being an idiot. Much of the service is on overground (with a small
o) lines and shared with other services.

E.

Overground - hopeless
 

" wrote:
On 06.12.14 10:37, Robin wrote:
I've given up using the overground from highbury - its just a totally
inadequate service.

As it's my local line I find that a wee bit hyperbolic ;) It is
undeniably overloaded much of the time but I rarely fail to get on and
I'm a FOG.

And did anyone predict the growth in traffic at the time of decisions on
the NLL and ELL? I certainly don't seem to recall anyone forecasting eg
14 per cent growth in London's population in the noughties, let alone
the nature and location of that growth. And while it is just my
impression, that growth accounts for a sizeable fraction of passengers
at Highbury and Islington.


I wonder why they have not yet introduced five-car operation, considering
the passenger volumes, even though they have not finished making such
adjustments at all stations. Could they not lock out the doors in the
fifth car at stations were five-car operation is not yet available,
requiring passengers to move forward?

My guess is that doing this would kill dwell times, and that it is all
the doors are on the 378s are in one zone.

They have. The first five-car 378 was recently put into service, and
they'll all b extended in due course.

Overground - hopeless
 

On 2014-12-06 21:01:05 +0000, Recliner said:


They have. The first five-car 378 was recently put into service, and
they'll all b extended in due course.

Here's some pics from someone I know locally.

https://anonw.wordpress.com/2014/12/...lass-378-train


E.

Overground - hopeless
 

On 06.12.14 19:39, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 18:14:35 on Sat, 6 Dec 2014,
" remarked:
I wonder why they have not yet introduced five-car operation,
considering the passenger volumes, even though they have not finished
making such adjustments at all stations. Could they not lock out the
doors in the fifth car at stations were five-car operation is not yet
available, requiring passengers to move forward?

The new trains on whatever the Hammersmith and City is called this week
do that at stations which aren't long enough (and neither have a
realistic expectation of being extended).

All S-series trains cut out their end doors at certain stations.

Overground - hopeless
 

On 06.12.14 21:01, Recliner wrote:
" wrote:
On 06.12.14 10:37, Robin wrote:
I've given up using the overground from highbury - its just a totally
inadequate service.

As it's my local line I find that a wee bit hyperbolic ;) It is
undeniably overloaded much of the time but I rarely fail to get on and
I'm a FOG.

And did anyone predict the growth in traffic at the time of decisions on
the NLL and ELL? I certainly don't seem to recall anyone forecasting eg
14 per cent growth in London's population in the noughties, let alone
the nature and location of that growth. And while it is just my
impression, that growth accounts for a sizeable fraction of passengers
at Highbury and Islington.


I wonder why they have not yet introduced five-car operation, considering
the passenger volumes, even though they have not finished making such
adjustments at all stations. Could they not lock out the doors in the
fifth car at stations were five-car operation is not yet available,
requiring passengers to move forward?

My guess is that doing this would kill dwell times, and that it is all
the doors are on the 378s are in one zone.

They have. The first five-car 378 was recently put into service, and
they'll all b extended in due course.

That's on ELL, which they built and rebuilt for five-car operation, is
it it not? What about NLL?

Overground - hopeless
 

In article , () wrote:

On 06.12.14 21:01, Recliner wrote:
" wrote:
On 06.12.14 10:37, Robin wrote:
I've given up using the overground from highbury - its just a
totally inadequate service.

As it's my local line I find that a wee bit hyperbolic ;) It is
undeniably overloaded much of the time but I rarely fail to get on and
I'm a FOG.

And did anyone predict the growth in traffic at the time of decisions
on the NLL and ELL? I certainly don't seem to recall anyone
forecasting eg 14 per cent growth in London's population in the
noughties, let alone the nature and location of that growth. And
while it is just my impression, that growth accounts for a sizeable
fraction of passengers at Highbury and Islington.

I wonder why they have not yet introduced five-car operation,
considering the passenger volumes, even though they have not finished
making such adjustments at all stations. Could they not lock out the
doors in the fifth car at stations were five-car operation is not yet
available, requiring passengers to move forward?

My guess is that doing this would kill dwell times, and that it is all
the doors are on the 378s are in one zone.

They have. The first five-car 378 was recently put into service, and
they'll all b extended in due course.

That's on ELL, which they built and rebuilt for five-car operation,
is it it not? What about NLL?

Why the big deal about 5-car trains on the ELL? They had 5-car CP stock
trains over 40 years ago.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Overground - hopeless
 

wrote:
In article , () wrote:

On 06.12.14 21:01, Recliner wrote:
" wrote:
On 06.12.14 10:37, Robin wrote:
I've given up using the overground from highbury - its just a
totally inadequate service.

As it's my local line I find that a wee bit hyperbolic ;) It is
undeniably overloaded much of the time but I rarely fail to get on and
I'm a FOG.

And did anyone predict the growth in traffic at the time of decisions
on the NLL and ELL? I certainly don't seem to recall anyone
forecasting eg 14 per cent growth in London's population in the
noughties, let alone the nature and location of that growth. And
while it is just my impression, that growth accounts for a sizeable
fraction of passengers at Highbury and Islington.

I wonder why they have not yet introduced five-car operation,
considering the passenger volumes, even though they have not finished
making such adjustments at all stations. Could they not lock out the
doors in the fifth car at stations were five-car operation is not yet
available, requiring passengers to move forward?

My guess is that doing this would kill dwell times, and that it is all
the doors are on the 378s are in one zone.

They have. The first five-car 378 was recently put into service, and
they'll all b extended in due course.

That's on ELL, which they built and rebuilt for five-car operation,
is it it not? What about NLL?

Why the big deal about 5-car trains on the ELL? They had 5-car CP stock
trains over 40 years ago.

But for many years it ran with 4-car trains (and LU cars are much shorter
than the 20m CapitalStar carriages, so a 5-car CP stock train is shorter
than a 4-car 378), so platforms were shortened, and new ones, such as at
Canada Water, weren't built long enough. But I think the biggest problem
for longer LO trains was on the NLL.

Overground - hopeless
 

On 07.12.14 1:51, Recliner wrote:
wrote:
In article , () wrote:

On 06.12.14 21:01, Recliner wrote:
" wrote:
On 06.12.14 10:37, Robin wrote:
I've given up using the overground from highbury - its just a
totally inadequate service.

As it's my local line I find that a wee bit hyperbolic ;) It is
undeniably overloaded much of the time but I rarely fail to get on and
I'm a FOG.

And did anyone predict the growth in traffic at the time of decisions
on the NLL and ELL? I certainly don't seem to recall anyone
forecasting eg 14 per cent growth in London's population in the
noughties, let alone the nature and location of that growth. And
while it is just my impression, that growth accounts for a sizeable
fraction of passengers at Highbury and Islington.

I wonder why they have not yet introduced five-car operation,
considering the passenger volumes, even though they have not finished
making such adjustments at all stations. Could they not lock out the
doors in the fifth car at stations were five-car operation is not yet
available, requiring passengers to move forward?

My guess is that doing this would kill dwell times, and that it is all
the doors are on the 378s are in one zone.

They have. The first five-car 378 was recently put into service, and
they'll all b extended in due course.

That's on ELL, which they built and rebuilt for five-car operation,
is it it not? What about NLL?

Why the big deal about 5-car trains on the ELL? They had 5-car CP stock
trains over 40 years ago.

But for many years it ran with 4-car trains (and LU cars are much shorter
than the 20m CapitalStar carriages, so a 5-car CP stock train is shorter
than a 4-car 378), so platforms were shortened, and new ones, such as at
Canada Water, weren't built long enough. But I think the biggest problem
for longer LO trains was on the NLL.


The 313s were tripods, were they not?

Overground - hopeless
 

" wrote:
On 07.12.14 1:51, Recliner wrote:
wrote:
In article , () wrote:

On 06.12.14 21:01, Recliner wrote:
" wrote:
On 06.12.14 10:37, Robin wrote:
I've given up using the overground from highbury - its just a
totally inadequate service.

As it's my local line I find that a wee bit hyperbolic ;) It is
undeniably overloaded much of the time but I rarely fail to get on and
I'm a FOG.

And did anyone predict the growth in traffic at the time of decisions
on the NLL and ELL? I certainly don't seem to recall anyone
forecasting eg 14 per cent growth in London's population in the
noughties, let alone the nature and location of that growth. And
while it is just my impression, that growth accounts for a sizeable
fraction of passengers at Highbury and Islington.

I wonder why they have not yet introduced five-car operation,
considering the passenger volumes, even though they have not finished
making such adjustments at all stations. Could they not lock out the
doors in the fifth car at stations were five-car operation is not yet
available, requiring passengers to move forward?

My guess is that doing this would kill dwell times, and that it is all
the doors are on the 378s are in one zone.

They have. The first five-car 378 was recently put into service, and
they'll all b extended in due course.

That's on ELL, which they built and rebuilt for five-car operation,
is it it not? What about NLL?

Why the big deal about 5-car trains on the ELL? They had 5-car CP stock
trains over 40 years ago.

But for many years it ran with 4-car trains (and LU cars are much shorter
than the 20m CapitalStar carriages, so a 5-car CP stock train is shorter
than a 4-car 378), so platforms were shortened, and new ones, such as at
Canada Water, weren't built long enough. But I think the biggest problem
for longer LO trains was on the NLL.


The 313s were tripods, were they not?

Yes, the 313s were three-car, as were the 378s when first introduced.

Overground - hopeless
 

On Sat, 6 Dec 2014 19:20:12 +0000
eastender wrote:
On 2014-12-06 17:54:06 +0000, d said:
It's hardly a poor service from Dalston, which is my local station,
especially if you're going south. And I use the Highbury service quite
often to get to the Victoria line - and really the frequency is very
good for an overground train. As for overcrowding, try getting on the

Except its not really an overground route in the network rail sense. It had
stations tube line distance apart serving traditional tube line areas.

It should have been pretty obvious I would have thought - a major interchange
like highbury with a new service that provides a short cut to the City and
canary wharf.

Of course projections were made. Do you think we'd be better off
without the line?

Obviously not. But extending the line as far as clapham was asking for service
disruption issues and improving the service to highbury would be a no brainer
except they obviously can't be arsed.

Quite possibly. Frankly I'm sick of hearing foreign languages all the damn
time
everywhere in this city but thats another discussion.

Why don't you move to Clacton or somewhere you can have a UKIP MP as
their areas have some of the lowest numbers of nasty foreigners. You'll
be much happier.

Oh look, an insular little Islingtonite sneering. How completely out of
character!

I have actually been to clacton - I doubt you have. Probably like most of your
brainwashed metro liberal ilk the only time you ever go outside the M25 is on
an aircraft and think London = England. It doesn't. The only reason I stay in
this ****ing cesspit of a city (or zoo if I'm being kind) is for work.

--
Spud

Overground - hopeless
 

On Sat, 6 Dec 2014 20:29:01 +0000
eastender wrote:
On 2014-12-06 18:02:01 +0000, Robin said:


I don't care - this used to be a tube line and we were promised a tube
style service. Using main line type stock on the ELL was an idiotic
decision.

I well recall the promise of a tube-style service of 12 tph for the ELL
and ISTM that's what we have. I don't recall a promise of tube-style
service for the ELL extension but, as is apparent, I am not an
enthusiast, merely a long-time user. Can you please help me with who
made the promise when?

He's being an idiot. Much of the service is on overground (with a small
o) lines and shared with other services.

The majority of the Underground is above ground you ****ing bell end.

--
Spud

Overground - hopeless
 

wrote:
Quite possibly. Frankly I'm sick of hearing foreign languages all the damn
time
everywhere in this city but thats another discussion.

Why don't you move to Clacton or somewhere you can have a UKIP MP as
their areas have some of the lowest numbers of nasty foreigners. You'll
be much happier.

Oh look, an insular little Islingtonite sneering. How completely out of
character!

I have actually been to clacton - I doubt you have. Probably like most of your
brainwashed metro liberal ilk the only time you ever go outside the M25 is on
an aircraft and think London = England. It doesn't. The only reason I stay in
this ****ing cesspit of a city (or zoo if I'm being kind) is for work.

Funny that, having lived and worked in various parts of the UK over the
last 20 years, the zoo that is London is the only place I'd ever consider
living in again.

Then again, escaping from people like you is the reason I'm moving to
Romania to live...



I hope maybe if the idiots in the UK really do take charge of the asylum
and leave the EU that London will declare independence.

Overground - hopeless
 

On Sun, 7 Dec 2014 21:33:51 +0000 (UTC)
Clank wrote:
Then again, escaping from people like you is the reason I'm moving to
Romania to live...

LOL :o) Well enjoy. Hope you find yourself a nice hovel and a top of the
range donkey!

--
Spud

Overground - hopeless
 

On Sat, Dec 06, 2014 at 05:48:12PM +0000, d wrote:

I don't care - this used to be a tube line and we were promised a tube
style service. Using main line type stock on the ELL was an idiotic decision.

It used to be the East London Line, which didn't have as frequent a
service as the rest of the Underground. I believe that that section now
has a more frequent service than it used to. Also, I've never seen
loading/unloading taking as long as you say.

--
David Cantrell | London Perl Mongers Deputy Chief Heretic

Godliness is next to Englishness

Overground - hopeless
 

On 06/12/2014 00:33, Recliner wrote:

wrote:
[...]
I must admit I can't see why more trains don't go to Highbury. It's not
obvious why terminating at Dalston Junction is a good idea except that the
original ELL extension plan only went there, with the Highbury extension
following later for some reason.

Is it to do with track layout? There are two bay platforms at Dalston
Junction, but I think only one at H&I.


No, there are two bay platforms at H&I (well, effectively two bay
platforms because they're not technically bays, what with the as yet to
be commissioned stock transfer link between the ELL and NLL).

Overground - hopeless
 

On 07/12/2014 19:32, d wrote:

On Sat, 6 Dec 2014 20:29:01 +0000
eastender wrote:

On 2014-12-06 18:02:01 +0000, Robin said:

I don't care - this used to be a tube line and we were promised a tube
style service. Using main line type stock on the ELL was an idiotic
decision.

I well recall the promise of a tube-style service of 12 tph for the ELL
and ISTM that's what we have. I don't recall a promise of tube-style
service for the ELL extension but, as is apparent, I am not an
enthusiast, merely a long-time user. Can you please help me with who
made the promise when?

He's being an idiot. Much of the service is on overground (with a small
o) lines and shared with other services.

The majority of the Underground is above ground you ****ing bell end.

What is wrong with you? Angry angry man.

Overground - hopeless
 

On Sat, 07 Feb 2015 17:07:25 +0000
Mizter T wrote:
On 07/12/2014 19:32, d wrote:
The majority of the Underground is above ground you ****ing bell end.

What is wrong with you? Angry angry man.

You just got back from rehab or something? I posted that 2 months ago.

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