Waterloo to London Bridge for cheapjacks (London Terminals ticket)
 

SWT have reminded me

From the 12 January 2015, South West Trains passengers will be unable to
interchange at Waterloo East for London Bridge as services will not be
stopping at London Bridge. This is expected to continue until August 2016.

http://www.southwesttrains.co.uk/thameslink.aspx

How do I travel to London Bridge?

Your ticket will be accepted on London Underground Jubilee Line services
from London Waterloo – London Bridge only. Please be aware that this will
make the Jubilee line busier than usual.

Your ticket will also be valid on bus services 381 and RV1 on the section of
route between London Bridge (stop S) and Waterloo (Stop P). Magnetic paper
point�to�point tickets on TfL bus services which will need to be shown to
the driver

Systems such as Oyster and ticket barriers will be programmed to allow
eligible passengers to use their existing National Rail, Oyster and
Contactless tickets/products to pass through barriers on the TfL network.

London Bridge is only 1.3 miles from London Waterloo and is on average 30
minute walk. Details on walking routes can be found using the TfL Journey
Planner

Season Ticket Holders

If you hold a ticket to ‘London Terminals’ that is not due for renewal
before January 2015 and you wish to travel to London Bridge then you will
need to visit any South West Trains ticket office and exchange your current
ticket before 1 January 2015. This will enable you to use London Underground
Jubilee line services between London Waterloo and London Bridge.
==



--
Mike D

Waterloo to London Bridge for cheapjacks (London Terminals ticket)
 

"Michael R N Dolbear" wrote:
SWT have reminded me

From the 12 January 2015, South West Trains passengers will be unable to
interchange at Waterloo East for London Bridge as services will not be
stopping at London Bridge. This is expected to continue until August 2016.

http://www.southwesttrains.co.uk/thameslink.aspx

How do I travel to London Bridge?

Your ticket will be accepted on London Underground Jubilee Line services
from London Waterloo – London Bridge only. Please be aware that this will
make the Jubilee line busier than usual.

Your ticket will also be valid on bus services 381 and RV1 on the section
of route between London Bridge (stop S) and Waterloo (Stop P). Magnetic
paper point�to�point tickets on TfL bus services which will need to be shown to the driver

Systems such as Oyster and ticket barriers will be programmed to allow
eligible passengers to use their existing National Rail, Oyster and
Contactless tickets/products to pass through barriers on the TfL network.

London Bridge is only 1.3 miles from London Waterloo and is on average 30
minute walk. Details on walking routes can be found using the TfL Journey Planner

Season Ticket Holders

If you hold a ticket to ‘London Terminals’ that is not due for renewal
before January 2015 and you wish to travel to London Bridge then you will
need to visit any South West Trains ticket office and exchange your
current ticket before 1 January 2015. This will enable you to use London
Underground Jubilee line services between London Waterloo and London Bridge.


Boy, the already heavily loaded Jubilee is going to be more than crush
loaded between Waterloo and London Bridge!

Waterloo to London Bridge for cheapjacks (London Terminals ticket)
 

London Bridge is only 1.3 miles from London Waterloo and is on
average 30 minute walk. Details on walking routes can be found using
the TfL Journey Planner

On a point of detail, 30 minutes seemed a bit long for 1.3 miles so I
checked the TfL JP. It gives 25 minutes for average walking speed.
Ditto Google maps. I can't see why SWT rounded up or assumed a slower
speed.

--
Robin
reply to address is (meant to be) valid

Waterloo to London Bridge for cheapjacks (London Terminals ticket)
 

On 2014\12\12 22:33, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Fri, 12 Dec 2014 19:42:03 +0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:

"Michael R N Dolbear" wrote:

Season Ticket Holders

If you hold a ticket to ‘London Terminals’ that is not due for renewal
before January 2015 and you wish to travel to London Bridge then you will
need to visit any South West Trains ticket office and exchange your
current ticket before 1 January 2015. This will enable you to use London
Underground Jubilee line services between London Waterloo and London Bridge.

Boy, the already heavily loaded Jubilee is going to be more than crush
loaded between Waterloo and London Bridge!

Well it will be for about a fortnight and then people will readjust
their journeys to avoid having to wait 30 minutes to get on a train to
go two stops.

The whole London Bridge thing will be an utter mess for a few weeks
until people optimise their journey patterns. Let's hope the weather
is not too horrendous given the fragility of some of SE's
infrastructure.

Weather will also affect the number of people who decide to walk!

Waterloo to London Bridge for cheapjacks (London Terminals ticket)
 

"Michael R N Dolbear" wrote in message
...


Your ticket will be accepted on London Underground Jubilee Line services
from London Waterloo – London Bridge only.

In the event the Jubilee Line becomes so overcrowded as to be unusable what
(apart from armies of on-train ticket inspectors) would stop someone using
the Northern Line via a change at Kennington (or even Euston!) instead?

--
DAS

Waterloo to London Bridge for cheapjacks (London Terminals ticket)
 

In message , at 19:18:56 on Fri, 12
Dec 2014, Michael R N Dolbear remarked:

From the 12 January 2015, South West Trains passengers will be unable
to interchange at Waterloo East for London Bridge as services will not
be stopping at London Bridge. This is expected to continue until August
2016.

How many people made that change?

Or does the London Bridge works mean that some people will be commuting
into Waterloo and connecting to LB, rather than commuting direct to LB?
--
Roland Perry

Waterloo to London Bridge for cheapjacks (London Terminals ticket)
 

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message , at 19:18:56 on Fri, 12 Dec
2014, Michael R N Dolbear remarked:

From the 12 January 2015, South West Trains passengers will be unable to
interchange at Waterloo East for London Bridge as services will not be
stopping at London Bridge. This is expected to continue until August 2016.

How many people made that change?

A lot of people from SWT-land working in the London Bridge area.

Or does the London Bridge works mean that some people will be commuting
into Waterloo and connecting to LB, rather than commuting direct to LB?

'commuting direct to to LB' isn't a sensible option from a lot of SWT
territory.

--
DAS

Waterloo to London Bridge for cheapjacks (London Terminals ticket)
 

In message , at 15:25:29 on Sat, 13 Dec
2014, D A Stocks remarked:
From the 12 January 2015, South West Trains passengers will be unable
to interchange at Waterloo East for London Bridge as services will
not be stopping at London Bridge. This is expected to continue until
August 2016.

How many people made that change?

A lot of people from SWT-land working in the London Bridge area.

Is it enough to cause an issue?

Or does the London Bridge works mean that some people will be
commuting into Waterloo and connecting to LB, rather than commuting
direct to LB?

'commuting direct to to LB' isn't a sensible option from a lot of SWT
territory.

I know someone who commutes from Surrey on SWT to Waterloo (and then
generally walks to LB) but he can also go to LB via Redhill.
--
Roland Perry

Waterloo to London Bridge for cheapjacks (London Terminals ticket)
 

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message , at 15:25:29 on Sat, 13 Dec
2014, D A Stocks remarked:
From the 12 January 2015, South West Trains passengers will be unable to
interchange at Waterloo East for London Bridge as services will not be
stopping at London Bridge. This is expected to continue until August
2016.

How many people made that change?

A lot of people from SWT-land working in the London Bridge area.

Is it enough to cause an issue?#
I haven't been that way for a while, but Waterloo East is always very busy.


Or does the London Bridge works mean that some people will be commuting
into Waterloo and connecting to LB, rather than commuting direct to LB?
Southern services would divert to Victoria, not Waterloo. Thameslink to
Elephant & Castle or Blackfriars is also an option. ISTR there was a
proposal to divert some SE trains services to Waterloo International but
that obviously hasn't happened.


'commuting direct to to LB' isn't a sensible option from a lot of SWT
territory.

I know someone who commutes from Surrey on SWT to Waterloo (and then
generally walks to LB) but he can also go to LB via Redhill.
There are bits of SWT where there is a choice, but there is a lot more that
doesn't. An excample would be someone I know who used to commute from
Wokingham to Greenwich with changes at Waterloo and London Bridge.

--
DAS

Waterloo to London Bridge for cheapjacks (London Terminals ticket)
 

"D A Stocks" wrote

"Michael R N Dolbear" wrote

Your ticket will be accepted on London Underground Jubilee Line services
from London Waterloo – London Bridge only.

In the event the Jubilee Line becomes so overcrowded as to be unusable
what
(apart from armies of on-train ticket inspectors) would stop someone using
the Northern Line via a change at Kennington (or even Euston!) instead?

Or via Elephant & Castle.

Nothing, unless you are gripped on the way and even then it's unlikely to be
noticed.

Would an inspector care provided you were still in Zone 1 ?


--
Mike D

Waterloo to London Bridge for cheapjacks (London Terminals ticket)
 

On 2014\12\13 19:58, Michael R N Dolbear wrote:

"D A Stocks" wrote

"Michael R N Dolbear" wrote

Your ticket will be accepted on London Underground Jubilee Line
services from London Waterloo – London Bridge only.

In the event the Jubilee Line becomes so overcrowded as to be unusable
what
(apart from armies of on-train ticket inspectors) would stop someone using
the Northern Line via a change at Kennington (or even Euston!) instead?

Or via Elephant & Castle.

Nothing, unless you are gripped on the way and even then it's unlikely
to be noticed.

Would an inspector care provided you were still in Zone 1 ?

Your National Rail ticket hasn't given you carte blanche to use all of
zone 1.

Waterloo to London Bridge for cheapjacks (London Terminals ticket)
 

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message , at 19:18:56 on Fri, 12 Dec
2014, Michael R N Dolbear remarked:

From the 12 January 2015, South West Trains passengers will be unable to
interchange at Waterloo East for London Bridge as services will not be
stopping at London Bridge. This is expected to continue until August 2016.

How many people made that change?

Or does the London Bridge works mean that some people will be commuting
into Waterloo and connecting to LB, rather than commuting direct to LB?

I don't think so

all of the SET services that are no longer running to CX are diverted to Vic

tim

Waterloo to London Bridge for cheapjacks (London Terminals ticket)
 

In message , at 11:51:18 on Sun, 14 Dec
2014, tim..... remarked:
From the 12 January 2015, South West Trains passengers will be unable
to interchange at Waterloo East for London Bridge as services will
not be stopping at London Bridge. This is expected to continue until
August 2016.

How many people made that change?

Or does the London Bridge works mean that some people will be
commuting into Waterloo and connecting to LB, rather than commuting
direct to LB?

I don't think so

all of the SET services that are no longer running to CX are diverted to Vic

Do any of those services have a possibility of changing at Clapham
Junction for Waterloo?
--
Roland Perry

Waterloo to London Bridge for cheapjacks (London Terminals ticket)
 

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message , at 11:51:18 on Sun, 14 Dec
2014, tim..... remarked:
From the 12 January 2015, South West Trains passengers will be unable to
interchange at Waterloo East for London Bridge as services will not be
stopping at London Bridge. This is expected to continue until August
2016.

How many people made that change?

Or does the London Bridge works mean that some people will be commuting
into Waterloo and connecting to LB, rather than commuting direct to LB?

I don't think so

all of the SET services that are no longer running to CX are diverted to
Vic

Do any of those services have a possibility of changing at Clapham
Junction for Waterloo?

No

Waterloo to London Bridge for cheapjacks (London Terminals ticket)
 

On 2014\12\14 11:51, tim..... wrote:

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message , at 19:18:56 on Fri, 12
Dec 2014, Michael R N Dolbear remarked:

From the 12 January 2015, South West Trains passengers will be unable
to interchange at Waterloo East for London Bridge as services will
not be stopping at London Bridge. This is expected to continue until
August 2016.

How many people made that change?

Or does the London Bridge works mean that some people will be
commuting into Waterloo and connecting to LB, rather than commuting
direct to LB?

I don't think so

all of the SET services that are no longer running to CX are diverted to
Vic

Wow. How the hell is there room for them? Are loads of local trains
being scrapped, the way the entire Hertford Loop service got canned
after the Potters Bar disaster?

Waterloo to London Bridge for cheapjacks (London Terminals ticket)
 

In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at 11:51:18 on Sun, 14
Dec 2014, tim..... remarked:
From the 12 January 2015, South West Trains passengers will be unable
to interchange at Waterloo East for London Bridge as services will
not be stopping at London Bridge. This is expected to continue until
August 2016.

How many people made that change?

Or does the London Bridge works mean that some people will be
commuting into Waterloo and connecting to LB, rather than commuting
direct to LB?

I don't think so

all of the SET services that are no longer running to CX are diverted to
Vic

Do any of those services have a possibility of changing at Clapham
Junction for Waterloo?

How would they manage that?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Waterloo to London Bridge for cheapjacks (London Terminals ticket)
 

In message , at 12:26:40
on Sun, 14 Dec 2014, remarked:
all of the SET services that are no longer running to CX are diverted to
Vic

Do any of those services have a possibility of changing at Clapham
Junction for Waterloo?

How would they manage that?

Dunno. I was under the impression that Clapham Junction also served some
trains to Victoria.
--
Roland Perry

Waterloo to London Bridge for cheapjacks (London Terminals ticket)
 

"Basil Jet" wrote in message
...
On 2014\12\14 11:51, tim..... wrote:


all of the SET services that are no longer running to CX are diverted to
Vic

Wow. How the hell is there room for them? Are loads of local trains being
scrapped, the way the entire Hertford Loop service got canned after the
Potters Bar disaster?


I think you've mis-understood the post.

AIUI most SET services to/from CX will continue to run to/from CX. None of
these services will be able to call at LBG.

Some CX services will be diverted. All diverted CX services will go to VIC
instead.

--
DAS

Waterloo to London Bridge for cheapjacks (London Terminals ticket)
 

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message , at 12:26:40 on
Sun, 14 Dec 2014, remarked:
all of the SET services that are no longer running to CX are diverted
to
Vic

Do any of those services have a possibility of changing at Clapham
Junction for Waterloo?

How would they manage that?

Dunno. I was under the impression that Clapham Junction also served some
trains to Victoria.

but not those on SEC metals

tim

Waterloo to London Bridge for cheapjacks (London Terminals ticket)
 

In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at
12:26:40 on Sun, 14 Dec 2014, remarked:
all of the SET services that are no longer running to CX are diverted
to Vic

Do any of those services have a possibility of changing at Clapham
Junction for Waterloo?

How would they manage that?

Dunno. I was under the impression that Clapham Junction also served
some trains to Victoria.

*South Eastern* trains? By what route? How much do you know of the layout in
the Clapham Junction to Battersea area?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Waterloo to London Bridge for cheapjacks (London Terminals ticket)
 

"Basil Jet" wrote in message
...
On 2014\12\14 11:51, tim..... wrote:

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message , at 19:18:56 on Fri, 12
Dec 2014, Michael R N Dolbear remarked:

From the 12 January 2015, South West Trains passengers will be unable
to interchange at Waterloo East for London Bridge as services will
not be stopping at London Bridge. This is expected to continue until
August 2016.

How many people made that change?

Or does the London Bridge works mean that some people will be
commuting into Waterloo and connecting to LB, rather than commuting
direct to LB?

I don't think so

all of the SET services that are no longer running to CX are diverted to
Vic

Wow. How the hell is there room for them? Are loads of local trains being
scrapped,

Yep

The longer distance trains that usually run into Vic are making additional
stops so that the locals that usually run into Vic can be canned.

The free-ed up paths are then being used for diverted CX trains

tim

Waterloo to London Bridge for cheapjacks (London Terminals ticket)
 

On 14/12/2014 19:03, wrote:
In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at
12:26:40 on Sun, 14 Dec 2014, remarked:
all of the SET services that are no longer running to CX are diverted
to Vic

Do any of those services have a possibility of changing at Clapham
Junction for Waterloo?

How would they manage that?

Dunno. I was under the impression that Clapham Junction also served
some trains to Victoria.

*South Eastern* trains? By what route? How much do you know of the layout in
the Clapham Junction to Battersea area?

If South Eastern trains were somehow able to switch to the Waterloo
route at Clapham Junction [which, at least for practical purposes, they
can't], then the whole issue of the possibility of changing at Clapham
Junction wouldn't arise. But if the SE trains stop at Clapham Junction,
then there is a pretty obvious possibility that some pax might change
for SWT services to Waterloo instead of staying on the SE service to
Victoria.


--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

Waterloo to London Bridge for cheapjacks (London Terminals ticket)
 

"Arthur Figgis" wrote in message
o.uk...
On 14/12/2014 19:03, wrote:
In article , (Roland
Perry)
wrote:

In message , at
12:26:40 on Sun, 14 Dec 2014, remarked:
all of the SET services that are no longer running to CX are diverted
to Vic

Do any of those services have a possibility of changing at Clapham
Junction for Waterloo?

How would they manage that?

Dunno. I was under the impression that Clapham Junction also served
some trains to Victoria.

*South Eastern* trains? By what route? How much do you know of the layout
in
the Clapham Junction to Battersea area?

If South Eastern trains were somehow able to switch to the Waterloo route
at Clapham Junction [which, at least for practical purposes, they can't],
then the whole issue of the possibility of changing at Clapham Junction
wouldn't arise. But if the SE trains stop at Clapham Junction, then there
is a pretty obvious possibility that some pax might change for SWT
services to Waterloo instead of staying on the SE service to Victoria.


There are no SE Trains services that pass through Clapham Junction, so the
question doesn't arise.

--
DAS

Waterloo to London Bridge for cheapjacks (London Terminals ticket)
 

In article , (D A Stocks)
wrote:

"Arthur Figgis" wrote in message
o.uk...
On 14/12/2014 19:03, wrote:
In article ,
(Roland Perry) wrote:

In message , at
12:26:40 on Sun, 14 Dec 2014, remarked:
all of the SET services that are no longer running to CX are
diverted to Vic

Do any of those services have a possibility of changing at Clapham
Junction for Waterloo?

How would they manage that?

Dunno. I was under the impression that Clapham Junction also served
some trains to Victoria.

*South Eastern* trains? By what route? How much do you know of the
layout in the Clapham Junction to Battersea area?

If South Eastern trains were somehow able to switch to the Waterloo
route at Clapham Junction [which, at least for practical purposes,
they can't], then the whole issue of the possibility of changing at
Clapham Junction wouldn't arise. But if the SE trains stop at
Clapham Junction, then there is a pretty obvious possibility that
some pax might change for SWT services to Waterloo instead of
staying on the SE service to Victoria.

There are no SE Trains services that pass through Clapham Junction,
so the question doesn't arise.

Couldn't some SE services reach Waterloo via Nunhead, Peckham Rye and
Linford St junction and Nine Elms Junction (i.e. the old Eurostar flyover)?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Waterloo to London Bridge for cheapjacks (London Terminals ticket)
 

On 14/12/2014 20:09, D A Stocks wrote:
"Arthur Figgis" wrote in message
o.uk...
On 14/12/2014 19:03, wrote:
In article , (Roland
Perry)
wrote:

In message , at
12:26:40 on Sun, 14 Dec 2014, remarked:
all of the SET services that are no longer running to CX are
diverted
to Vic

Do any of those services have a possibility of changing at Clapham
Junction for Waterloo?

How would they manage that?

Dunno. I was under the impression that Clapham Junction also served
some trains to Victoria.

*South Eastern* trains? By what route? How much do you know of the
layout in
the Clapham Junction to Battersea area?

If South Eastern trains were somehow able to switch to the Waterloo
route at Clapham Junction [which, at least for practical purposes,
they can't], then the whole issue of the possibility of changing at
Clapham Junction wouldn't arise. But if the SE trains stop at Clapham
Junction, then there is a pretty obvious possibility that some pax
might change for SWT services to Waterloo instead of staying on the SE
service to Victoria.


There are no SE Trains services that pass through Clapham Junction, so
the question doesn't arise.

I wondered if the references to Clapham Junction meant that someone had
had found a way to send some there! (didn't some SE trains used to go
via Croydon in the dim and distant past?)


--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

Waterloo to London Bridge for cheapjacks (London Terminals ticket)
 

In article ,
lid (Arthur Figgis) wrote:

I wondered if the references to Clapham Junction meant that someone
had had found a way to send some there! (didn't some SE trains used
to go via Croydon in the dim and distant past?)

Not in the South Eastern franchise but the SECR had a route nearly that way
to the West London Extension via Factory Junction, Longhedge Junctions and
Latchmere Junction.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Waterloo to London Bridge for cheapjacks (London Terminals ticket)
 

On 13/12/2014 15:41, Roland Perry wrote:

In message , at 15:25:29 on Sat, 13 Dec
2014, D A Stocks remarked:
From the 12 January 2015, South West Trains passengers will be
unable to interchange at Waterloo East for London Bridge as services
will not be stopping at London Bridge. This is expected to continue
until August 2016.

How many people made that change?

A lot of people from SWT-land working in the London Bridge area.

Is it enough to cause an issue?

Yes. See the number of people making a Waterloo East - London Bridge
journey in the morning peak, for instance.

Waterloo to London Bridge for cheapjacks (London Terminals ticket)
 

wrote in message
...

Couldn't some SE services reach Waterloo via Nunhead, Peckham Rye and
Linford St junction and Nine Elms Junction (i.e. the old Eurostar
flyover)?


I mentioned a proposal to divert some services to Waterloo International
further back in the thread. I assume it's not possible - I can think of
various reasons, including the likelihood that the former boat train and
then Eurostar paths are now being used for other Victoria services.

--
DAS

Waterloo to London Bridge for cheapjacks (London Terminals ticket)
 

In article , (D A Stocks)
wrote:

wrote in message
...

Couldn't some SE services reach Waterloo via Nunhead, Peckham Rye and
Linford St junction and Nine Elms Junction (i.e. the old Eurostar
flyover)?

I mentioned a proposal to divert some services to Waterloo
International further back in the thread. I assume it's not possible
- I can think of various reasons, including the likelihood that the
former boat train and then Eurostar paths are now being used for
other Victoria services.

I was just suggesting the connections are still there to make it physically
possible. I'm sure you are right the paths aren't there.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Waterloo to London Bridge for cheapjacks (London Terminals ticket)
 

In message , at 13:03:59
on Sun, 14 Dec 2014, remarked:
I was under the impression that Clapham Junction also served
some trains to Victoria.

*South Eastern* trains? By what route? How much do you know of the layout in
the Clapham Junction to Battersea area?

Not much, obviously.
--
Roland Perry

Waterloo to London Bridge for cheapjacks (London Terminals ticket)
 

wrote:

In article ,
lid (Arthur Figgis) wrote:

I wondered if the references to Clapham Junction meant that someone
had had found a way to send some there! (didn't some SE trains used
to go via Croydon in the dim and distant past?)

Not in the South Eastern franchise but the SECR had a route nearly that way
to the West London Extension via Factory Junction, Longhedge Junctions and
Latchmere Junction.

The Tonbridge-Redhill-East Croydon-London Bridge service which is now
Southern used to be less than 10 years ago a south eastern service.

--
Mark