BBC Radio 4 Law In Action "a cautionary tale about a man who boarded a train without a ticket."
 

BBC Radio 4 Law In Action (repeat Thu 18 Jun 2015, MP3 Podcast now) has an
item about "a cautionary tale about a man who boarded a train without a
ticket."

Unmanned station, found he had lost his wallet, was prosecuted by Northen
Rail, prosecution withdrawn at court.

Errors and mistakes.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b05xxjgl


--
Mike D

BBC Radio 4 Law In Action "a cautionary tale about a man whoboarded a train without a ticket."
 

On 16/06/2015 18:07, Michael R N Dolbear wrote:
BBC Radio 4 Law In Action (repeat Thu 18 Jun 2015, MP3 Podcast now) has
an item about "a cautionary tale about a man who boarded a train without
a ticket."

Unmanned station, found he had lost his wallet, was prosecuted by
Northen Rail, prosecution withdrawn at court.

Errors and mistakes.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b05xxjgl



Skip to 14:36 for the detail... (ends at 22:57)

BBC Radio 4 Law In Action "a cautionary tale about a man who boarded a train without a ticket."
 

"Michael R N Dolbear" wrote in message
...
BBC Radio 4 Law In Action (repeat Thu 18 Jun 2015, MP3 Podcast now) has an item about
"a cautionary tale about a man who boarded a train without a ticket."

Unmanned station, found he had lost his wallet, was prosecuted by Northen Rail,
prosecution withdrawn at court.

Errors and mistakes.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b05xxjgl


But surely in order to prosecute him, despite his losing his wallet
he must have produced some form of valid ID ? The self same ID which
would reveal that he did in fact hold a season ticket ?


michael adams

....

BBC Radio 4 Law In Action "a cautionary tale about a man who boarded a train without a ticket."
 

"John Kenyon" wrote in message
...
On 16/06/2015 18:07, Michael R N Dolbear wrote:
BBC Radio 4 Law In Action (repeat Thu 18 Jun 2015, MP3 Podcast now) has
an item about "a cautionary tale about a man who boarded a train without
a ticket."

Unmanned station, found he had lost his wallet, was prosecuted by
Northen Rail, prosecution withdrawn at court.

Errors and mistakes.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b05xxjgl



Skip to 14:36 for the detail... (ends at 22:57)


Thanks. So basically the guy is was a law lecturer
who normally paid his fare on the train. It was only
at that point that he realised he's lost his wallet
maybe while cycling to the station and so gave the
conductor his name and address. He did
this again at the station with his explanation about
losing his wallet. Two weeks later he got a vaguely
threatening letter asking for an explanation which
he gave.

Five months later he received a summons based on an
1888 act and containing out of date forms, and giving
wrong information concerning the result of conviction.
But allowing him to get out of it by paying £100.
for the sake of a £3.60 fare.

Which according to a QC is a clear case of intimidation.


michael adams

....

BBC Radio 4 Law In Action "a cautionary tale about a man who boarded a train without a ticket."
 

In message , at 18:49:30 on Tue, 16 Jun
2015, michael adams remarked:
But surely in order to prosecute him, despite his losing his wallet
he must have produced some form of valid ID ?

Or that he simply told te truth about where he lived.

The self same ID which
would reveal that he did in fact hold a season ticket ?

Unless the offence is travelling without the season ticket on your
person, rather than having a season ticket.
--
Roland Perry

BBC Radio 4 Law In Action "a cautionary tale about a man who boarded a train without a ticket."
 

"John Kenyon" wrote
On 16/06/2015 18:07, Michael R N Dolbear wrote:
BBC Radio 4 Law In Action (repeat Thu 18 Jun 2015, MP3 Podcast now) has
an item about "a cautionary tale about a man who boarded a train without
a ticket."

Unmanned station, found he had lost his wallet, was prosecuted by
Northen Rail, prosecution withdrawn at court.

Errors and mistakes.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b05xxjgl



.. Skip to 14:36 for the detail... (ends at 22:57)


Thanks for that - when I posted I hadn't yet downloaded the podcast after
listening to the on-air version.


--
Mike D

BBC Radio 4 Law In Action "a cautionary tale about a man who boarded a train without a ticket."
 

On Tue, 16 Jun 2015 20:03:58 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at 18:49:30 on Tue, 16 Jun
2015, michael adams remarked:
But surely in order to prosecute him, despite his losing his wallet
he must have produced some form of valid ID ?

Or that he simply told te truth about where he lived.

I've had an envelope (returned "not known at this address") from the
GNER grippers' office addressed to a local scrote (uncommon name,
previous case in local papers) who had given my address but with a dud
postcode so the address at least is a matter of trusting someone to be
telling the truth.

The self same ID which
would reveal that he did in fact hold a season ticket ?

Unless the offence is travelling without the season ticket on your
person, rather than having a season ticket.

BBC Radio 4 Law In Action "a cautionary tale about a man who boarded a train without a ticket."
 

On Tue, 16 Jun 2015 23:21:19 +0100, "Michael R N Dolbear"
wrote:


"John Kenyon" wrote
On 16/06/2015 18:07, Michael R N Dolbear wrote:
BBC Radio 4 Law In Action (repeat Thu 18 Jun 2015, MP3 Podcast now) has
an item about "a cautionary tale about a man who boarded a train without
a ticket."

Unmanned station, found he had lost his wallet, was prosecuted by
Northen Rail, prosecution withdrawn at court.

Errors and mistakes.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b05xxjgl

. Skip to 14:36 for the detail... (ends at 22:57)


Thanks for that - when I posted I hadn't yet downloaded the podcast after
listening to the on-air version.

Those of us living outside the UK can't watch or listen to a lot of
BBC stuff, although this one works - perhaps because it's Radio 4 not
TV.

But if anybody posts a link to Youtube, they can put the time in it,
eg...

(City of Truro)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0Czc5-bv4U#t=02m40s

Note the #t=02m40s

BBC Radio 4 Law In Action "a cautionary tale about a man who boarded a train without a ticket."
 

Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On Tue, 16 Jun 2015 23:21:19 +0100, "Michael R N Dolbear"
wrote:


"John Kenyon" wrote
On 16/06/2015 18:07, Michael R N Dolbear wrote:
BBC Radio 4 Law In Action (repeat Thu 18 Jun 2015, MP3 Podcast now) has
an item about "a cautionary tale about a man who boarded a train without
a ticket."

Unmanned station, found he had lost his wallet, was prosecuted by
Northen Rail, prosecution withdrawn at court.

Errors and mistakes.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b05xxjgl

. Skip to 14:36 for the detail... (ends at 22:57)


Thanks for that - when I posted I hadn't yet downloaded the podcast after
listening to the on-air version.

Those of us living outside the UK can't watch or listen to a lot of
BBC stuff, although this one works - perhaps because it's Radio 4 not
TV.

Yes, I think only BBC TV is limited to UK viewing. You can even listen to
live BBC radio internationally over the Internet.

BBC Radio 4 Law In Action "a cautionary tale about a man who boarded a train without a ticket."
 

On Wed, 17 Jun 2015 08:38:38 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at 00:33:20 on
Wed, 17 Jun 2015, Charles Ellson remarked:
But surely in order to prosecute him, despite his losing his wallet
he must have produced some form of valid ID ?

Or that he simply told te truth about where he lived.

I've had an envelope (returned "not known at this address") from the
GNER grippers' office addressed to a local scrote (uncommon name,
previous case in local papers) who had given my address but with a dud
postcode so the address at least is a matter of trusting someone to be
telling the truth.

You've missed the point. Prosecuting someone who gives a false address
is more difficult, but in this case they were able to easily because he
gave a correct address.

That wasn't missed. I was mentioning a further example supporting that
persons are routinely trusted to supply their true address unsupported
by further proof.