83 TS on the M25
 

North past the junction with the M40 this afternoon (sunday) I saw an
entire train of 1983 stock on 6 low loaders heading northbound. I was
under the impression that this stock had all been sold or scrapped about
a decade ago. Did they still have some hanging around Neasden?

FWIW the train was utterly wrecked. Even the graffiti louts had obviously
given up on it since the graffiti itself was covered in a nice layer of
green mould. Most of the windows were smashed and some of the shoebeams
had snapped presumably due to wood rot.

--
Spud

83 TS on the M25
 

wrote:
North past the junction with the M40 this afternoon (sunday) I saw an
entire train of 1983 stock on 6 low loaders heading northbound. I was
under the impression that this stock had all been sold or scrapped about
a decade ago. Did they still have some hanging around Neasden?

FWIW the train was utterly wrecked. Even the graffiti louts had obviously
given up on it since the graffiti itself was covered in a nice layer of
green mould. Most of the windows were smashed and some of the shoebeams
had snapped presumably due to wood rot.

I wonder if they need the siding space it used to occupy? Could it have
previously been stored in the South Harrow sidings?

One wonders why they left it hanging around for so long. Perhaps they once
planned to re-use some of the carriages for an engineering train, but never
got round to it?

83 TS on the M25
 

In message , at 18:07:14 on Sun, 28
Jun 2015, d remarked:
North past the junction with the M40 this afternoon (sunday) I saw an

entire train of 1983 stock on 6 low loaders heading northbound. I was

under the impression that this stock had all been sold or scrapped about

a decade ago. Did they still have some hanging around Neasden?



FWIW the train was utterly wrecked. Even the graffiti louts had obviously

given up on it since the graffiti itself was covered in a nice layer of

green mould. Most of the windows were smashed and some of the shoebeams

had snapped presumably due to wood rot.


Ah-ha! I saw three of them northbound on the M1 in Leicestershire at
around 7pm. I wonder what had happened to the other three.

--
Roland Perry

83 TS on the M25
 

On Sun, 28 Jun 2015 22:43:04 +0100
Paul Corfield wrote:
On Sun, 28 Jun 2015 18:07:14 GMT, d wrote:

North past the junction with the M40 this afternoon (sunday) I saw an
entire train of 1983 stock on 6 low loaders heading northbound. I was
under the impression that this stock had all been sold or scrapped about
a decade ago. Did they still have some hanging around Neasden?

FWIW the train was utterly wrecked. Even the graffiti louts had obviously
given up on it since the graffiti itself was covered in a nice layer of
green mould. Most of the windows were smashed and some of the shoebeams
had snapped presumably due to wood rot.

They are the ones that were stored at South Harrow. I only found out
by spotting some photos on the London Reconnections Flickr pool.

https://www.flickr.com/groups/londonreconnections/pool/

It says a lot about their condition that they couldn't even be towed out
of the sidings. I wonder why LU didn't just give them a run occasionally
to keep them in at least rail movable condition?

--
Spud

83 TS on the M25
 

On Sun, 28 Jun 2015 21:22:10 +0100
Roland Perry wrote:
Ah-ha! I saw three of them northbound on the M1 in Leicestershire at
around 7pm. I wonder what had happened to the other three.

Probably fell apart from the vibrations somewhere around Watford.

--
Spud

83 TS on the M25
 

On 28/06/2015 20:27, Recliner wrote:

wrote:
North past the junction with the M40 this afternoon (sunday) I saw an
entire train of 1983 stock on 6 low loaders heading northbound. I was
under the impression that this stock had all been sold or scrapped about
a decade ago. Did they still have some hanging around Neasden?

FWIW the train was utterly wrecked. Even the graffiti louts had obviously
given up on it since the graffiti itself was covered in a nice layer of
green mould. Most of the windows were smashed and some of the shoebeams
had snapped presumably due to wood rot.

I wonder if they need the siding space it used to occupy? Could it have
previously been stored in the South Harrow sidings?

One wonders why they left it hanging around for so long. Perhaps they once
planned to re-use some of the carriages for an engineering train, but never
got round to it?


I've some vague idea there was such a notion.

The 83TS were hardly LU's finest hour. That said, they were designed in
a different era, where the expectations of passenger numbers were rather
more pessimistic. A mistake not to be repeated.

(Though having written that, the Roastmaster comes to mind...)

83 TS on the M25
 

On Mon, 29 Jun 2015 12:57:41 +0100
Mizter T wrote:
On 28/06/2015 20:27, Recliner wrote:

wrote:
North past the junction with the M40 this afternoon (sunday) I saw an
entire train of 1983 stock on 6 low loaders heading northbound. I was
under the impression that this stock had all been sold or scrapped about
a decade ago. Did they still have some hanging around Neasden?

FWIW the train was utterly wrecked. Even the graffiti louts had obviously
given up on it since the graffiti itself was covered in a nice layer of
green mould. Most of the windows were smashed and some of the shoebeams
had snapped presumably due to wood rot.

I wonder if they need the siding space it used to occupy? Could it have
previously been stored in the South Harrow sidings?

One wonders why they left it hanging around for so long. Perhaps they once
planned to re-use some of the carriages for an engineering train, but never
got round to it?


I've some vague idea there was such a notion.

The 83TS were hardly LU's finest hour. That said, they were designed in

Apart from the single leaf doors, were there major issues with them?

--
Spud

83 TS on the M25
 

In article , y () wrote:

On Mon, 29 Jun 2015 12:57:41 +0100
Mizter T wrote:
On 28/06/2015 20:27, Recliner wrote:

wrote:
North past the junction with the M40 this afternoon (sunday) I saw an
entire train of 1983 stock on 6 low loaders heading northbound. I was
under the impression that this stock had all been sold or scrapped
about a decade ago. Did they still have some hanging around Neasden?

FWIW the train was utterly wrecked. Even the graffiti louts had
obviously given up on it since the graffiti itself was covered in a
nice layer of green mould. Most of the windows were smashed and some
of the shoebeams had snapped presumably due to wood rot.

I wonder if they need the siding space it used to occupy? Could it
have previously been stored in the South Harrow sidings?

One wonders why they left it hanging around for so long. Perhaps they
once planned to re-use some of the carriages for an engineering train,
but never got round to it?

I've some vague idea there was such a notion.

The 83TS were hardly LU's finest hour. That said, they were designed in

Apart from the single leaf doors, were there major issues with them?

How did their reliability compare with other stocks? I thought it was much
worse.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

83 TS on the M25
 

wrote:
In article , y () wrote:

On Mon, 29 Jun 2015 12:57:41 +0100
Mizter T wrote:
On 28/06/2015 20:27, Recliner wrote:

wrote:
North past the junction with the M40 this afternoon (sunday) I saw an
entire train of 1983 stock on 6 low loaders heading northbound. I was
under the impression that this stock had all been sold or scrapped
about a decade ago. Did they still have some hanging around Neasden?

FWIW the train was utterly wrecked. Even the graffiti louts had
obviously given up on it since the graffiti itself was covered in a
nice layer of green mould. Most of the windows were smashed and some
of the shoebeams had snapped presumably due to wood rot.

I wonder if they need the siding space it used to occupy? Could it
have previously been stored in the South Harrow sidings?

One wonders why they left it hanging around for so long. Perhaps they
once planned to re-use some of the carriages for an engineering train,
but never got round to it?

I've some vague idea there was such a notion.

The 83TS were hardly LU's finest hour. That said, they were designed in

Apart from the single leaf doors, were there major issues with them?

How did their reliability compare with other stocks? I thought it was much
worse.

Yes, that's my memory, too.

83 TS on the M25
 

On Mon, 29 Jun 2015 16:40:59 +0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
How did their reliability compare with other stocks? I thought it was much
worse.

Yes, that's my memory, too.

But didn't they have the same control gear as the D stock which seemed to
be pretty reliable?

--
Spud