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New Heathrow Express Advance fares
https://www.heathrowexpress.com/tickets-deals/prices-fares
Book at least 90, 30 or 7 days in advance for savings of 65%, 50% or 25% compared to the regular price (i.e. purchased online or from ticket office or ticket machine). HEx Advance Tickets are valid for travel at any time of day on the booked date - for return Advance tickets, the return portion is valid up to a month after the outward journey. They are only issued as e-tickets (email to print at home/office) or m-tickets (mobile/smartphone). |
New Heathrow Express Advance fares
On 9/14/2015 9:12 PM, Mizter T wrote:
https://www.heathrowexpress.com/tickets-deals/prices-fares Book at least 90, 30 or 7 days in advance for savings of 65%, 50% or 25% compared to the regular price (i.e. purchased online or from ticket office or ticket machine). Great - yet another train service clogged up by people who have the luxury of planning things in advance. I've given up counting the number of times I've got on a FGW train at Paddington on a full price walk up fare to be greeted by a sea of fluttering reservation tickets that are rarely taken up leaving me scrabbling to find a seat. |
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In message , at 08:50:37 on Tue, 15 Sep
2015, Someone Somewhere remarked: I've given up counting the number of times I've got on a FGW train at Paddington on a full price walk up fare to be greeted by a sea of fluttering reservation tickets that are rarely taken up That's because most online booking sites seduce people into making a seat reservation for walk-up tickets, and when their plans change there's no mechanism to cancel the reservation (not that most people would bother anyway). leaving me scrabbling to find a seat. Look at the tickets - they won't all be for journeys starting at Paddington. Or just grab any seat and be prepared to move if asked. -- Roland Perry |
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On 9/15/2015 9:18 AM, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 08:50:37 on Tue, 15 Sep 2015, Someone Somewhere remarked: I've given up counting the number of times I've got on a FGW train at Paddington on a full price walk up fare to be greeted by a sea of fluttering reservation tickets that are rarely taken up That's because most online booking sites seduce people into making a seat reservation for walk-up tickets, and when their plans change there's no mechanism to cancel the reservation (not that most people would bother anyway). Indeed - it would be so much better if they charged a token amount for a seat reservation to make people think about it. leaving me scrabbling to find a seat. Look at the tickets - they won't all be for journeys starting at Paddington. Or just grab any seat and be prepared to move if asked. Yeah - I know - I just dislike holding up the rampaging hordes of boarders whilst I squint at each ticket. It gets even more amusing when they run out of time to put the slips out - does it become a free for all or is it a lottery if you sit down and someone turns up and says it's their seat? (on a recent trip it started as train manager asking people to be nice and do the latter before rapidly changing his mind and saying the former should be assumed) |
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In uk.railway Someone Somewhere wrote:
Great - yet another train service clogged up by people who have the luxury of planning things in advance. Does HEx ever get 'clogged'? Seems like a cunning plan to lock people into paying long before they discover there are better cheaper routes, and to prevent them making the decision on the day. At least they don't tie you to a given train. Though 6.99 one-way 90 days in advance merely brings them into the land of 'sanely expensive'. Theo |
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Theo Markettos wrote in
: In uk.railway Someone Somewhere wrote: Great - yet another train service clogged up by people who have the luxury of planning things in advance. Does HEx ever get 'clogged'? Seems like a cunning plan to lock people into paying long before they discover there are better cheaper routes, and to prevent them making the decision on the day. At least they don't tie you to a given train. Though 6.99 one-way 90 days in advance merely brings them into the land of 'sanely expensive'. Theo I think it's a bit better than that. The Z1-Heathrow Oyster tube fare is £5.10 peak or £3.10 off-peak (£2.05 with railcard) and the £6.99 becomes £5.95 each way if you buy a return. If you have booked flights more than three months out (I usually do) that's a very tempting proposition, even if the appeal is somewhat dulled by having to buy another ticket to get from Paddington to where you actually wanted to go (and, if you are heading South or East of the Piccadilly line, the time saving isn't that great either). David |
New Heathrow Express Advance fares
On 9/15/2015 5:59 PM, Theo Markettos wrote:
In uk.railway Someone Somewhere wrote: Great - yet another train service clogged up by people who have the luxury of planning things in advance. Does HEx ever get 'clogged'? Yes - it's often close to, if not, standing room only. Seems like a cunning plan to lock people into paying long before they discover there are better cheaper routes, and to prevent them making the decision on the day. That it might be. At least they don't tie you to a given train. Though 6.99 one-way 90 days in advance merely brings them into the land of 'sanely expensive'. That it might be, but it's such a significant discount that it would be annoying to rock up and pay the full fare only to get on to find the train full of smug pensioners who had paid a mere pittance who would normally go a different route to save money at a cost of time. What is does do is destroy the case for taking the Heathrow Connect. |
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On 16/09/2015 07:26, Someone Somewhere wrote:
On 9/15/2015 5:59 PM, Theo Markettos wrote: In uk.railway Someone Somewhere wrote: Great - yet another train service clogged up by people who have the luxury of planning things in advance. Does HEx ever get 'clogged'? Yes - it's often close to, if not, standing room only. Seems like a cunning plan to lock people into paying long before they discover there are better cheaper routes, and to prevent them making the decision on the day. That it might be. At least they don't tie you to a given train. Though 6.99 one-way 90 days in advance merely brings them into the land of 'sanely expensive'. That it might be, but it's such a significant discount that it would be annoying to rock up and pay the full fare only to get on to find the train full of smug pensioners who had paid a mere pittance who would normally go a different route to save money at a cost of time. What is does do is destroy the case for taking the Heathrow Connect. Funny that… -- Graeme Wall This account not read, substitute trains for rail. |
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In message , at 17:59:43 on Tue,
15 Sep 2015, Theo Markettos remarked: Seems like a cunning plan to lock people into paying long before they discover there are better cheaper routes, and to prevent them making the decision on the day. HEx's original business model is to abstract travellers from taxis. It was never meant to compete with the tube/bus. At least they don't tie you to a given train. Though 6.99 one-way 90 days in advance merely brings them into the land of 'sanely expensive'. But this perhaps marks a change in that business model, and a fairly sensible one because people buying advance tickets aren't likely to be from the taxi-using fraternity. -- Roland Perry |
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On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 10:59:09AM +0100, Someone Somewhere wrote:
On 9/15/2015 9:18 AM, Roland Perry wrote: That's because most online booking sites seduce people into making a seat reservation for walk-up tickets, and when their plans change there's no mechanism to cancel the reservation (not that most people would bother anyway). Indeed - it would be so much better if they charged a token amount for a seat reservation to make people think about it. If it's only a token amount then most people still won't care. It gets even more amusing when they run out of time to put the slips out Virgin's LCD displays above each seat are a great improvement. -- David Cantrell | Godless Liberal Elitist Erudite is when you make a classical allusion to a feather. Kinky is when you use the whole chicken. |
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on Wed, 16 Sep 2015, David Cantrell remarked: It gets even more amusing when they run out of time to put the slips out Virgin's LCD displays above each seat are a great improvement. No they aren't. You can't see from the platform how many seats are reserved in the carriage, and once seated you can't see what the reservations are. -- Roland Perry |
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Someone Somewhere wrote:
That it might be, but it's such a significant discount that it would be annoying to rock up and pay the full fare only to get on to find the train full of smug pensioners who had paid a mere pittance who would normally go a different route to save money at a cost of time. Or maybe they'd just go the same route and pay more. In any case they don't get reserved seats, so you've just got to beat them through the door when the train arrives. What is does do is destroy the case for taking the Heathrow Connect. Heathrow Connect is intended (or was originally, at any rate) for local traffic to the airport. Anna Noyd-Dryver |
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In message , at 10:14:20 on Thu, 17
Sep 2015, Neil Williams remarked: Totally agree with Roland. You don't know if they are only reserved for part of a journey You do, because they say so. Yes, I think they do. or if they are a no show. Also very hard to read from any angle. It was a good idea to have an electronic system for labour saving maybe but this implementation is abysmal. The problem with it is that it's an IT system designed and built in the late 1990s, and so is 20 years out of date. When I was at Heathrow T2 last week I was surprised to see that there was a CCTV camera for *every* space in the car park. One of the side effects (although they could do it with less intrusive technology) was that empty spaces had a green light above them, so you could see from afar, down each aisle, whether or not there was somewhere to park. Trains could have some system linked to checking if a seat was occupied (although their are issues if people put bags on seats) and have coloured lights above indicating (eg) Green for empty, Orange for empty-but reserved, and nothing for occupied. Or maybe red for occupied and in the foreseeable future a reservation pending. -- Roland Perry |
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On 2015-09-17 10:01:22 +0000, Roland Perry said:
When I was at Heathrow T2 last week I was surprised to see that there was a CCTV camera for *every* space in the car park. One of the side effects (although they could do it with less intrusive technology) was that empty spaces had a green light above them, so you could see from afar, down each aisle, whether or not there was somewhere to park. That's "sensor parking". The camera is probably just detecting presence, rather than being recorded. There's a similar one in Milton Keynes, the sensors are just metal detectors and feed back (a) which spaces are free, and (b) direct wardens to overstayers. Trains could have some system linked to checking if a seat was occupied (although their are issues if people put bags on seats) and have coloured lights above indicating (eg) Green for empty, Orange for empty-but reserved, and nothing for occupied. Or maybe red for occupied and in the foreseeable future a reservation pending. Would be an option I suppose. Neil -- Neil Williams Put my first name before the @ to reply. |
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In message , at 13:11:49 on Thu, 17
Sep 2015, Neil Williams remarked: When I was at Heathrow T2 last week I was surprised to see that there was a CCTV camera for *every* space in the car park. One of the side effects (although they could do it with less intrusive technology) was that empty spaces had a green light above them, so you could see from afar, down each aisle, whether or not there was somewhere to park. That's "sensor parking". The camera is probably just detecting presence, rather than being recorded. Yeah, right. -- Roland Perry |
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On Thu, 17 Sep 2015 11:01:22 +0100, Roland Perry wrote:
Trains could have some system linked to checking if a seat was occupied (although their are issues if people put bags on seats) and have coloured lights above indicating (eg) Green for empty, Orange for empty-but reserved, and nothing for occupied. Or maybe red for occupied and in the foreseeable future a reservation pending. TfL have something similar for bus top deck seat occupancy in trial: http://metro.co.uk/2015/04/09/good-n...-seat-5141564/ Shorter seat backs though. |
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On Thu, 17 Sep 2015 13:11:49 +0100, Neil Williams wrote:
On 2015-09-17 10:01:22 +0000, Roland Perry said: When I was at Heathrow T2 last week I was surprised to see that there was a CCTV camera for *every* space in the car park. One of the side effects (although they could do it with less intrusive technology) was that empty spaces had a green light above them, so you could see from afar, down each aisle, whether or not there was somewhere to park. That's "sensor parking". The camera is probably just detecting presence, rather than being recorded. There's a similar one in Milton Keynes, the sensors are just metal detectors and feed back (a) which spaces are free, and (b) direct wardens to overstayers. The Westfield Stratford version OCRs your numberplate so it can tell you where you have parked if you have forgotten. |
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On 2015-09-17 12:59:19 +0000, Roland Perry said:
Yeah, right. Not all CCTV cameras record things. To suggest they do is paranoia. They may not even be cameras, they may simply be ANPR or presence detection. Neil -- Neil Williams Put my first name before the @ to reply. |
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On 17.09.15 14:36, David Walters wrote:
On Thu, 17 Sep 2015 11:01:22 +0100, Roland Perry wrote: Trains could have some system linked to checking if a seat was occupied (although their are issues if people put bags on seats) and have coloured lights above indicating (eg) Green for empty, Orange for empty-but reserved, and nothing for occupied. Or maybe red for occupied and in the foreseeable future a reservation pending. TfL have something similar for bus top deck seat occupancy in trial: http://metro.co.uk/2015/04/09/good-n...-seat-5141564/ Shorter seat backs though. I've actually seen that on the 141. Takes the camera about a minute or so, however, to revise the numbers when there is a change. |
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In message , at 14:53:25 on Thu, 17
Sep 2015, Neil Williams remarked: Not all CCTV cameras record things. To suggest they do is paranoia. They may not even be cameras, they may simply be ANPR ANPR requires a camera. or presence detection. A lens with LEDs (infra red I presume) around it. -- Roland Perry |
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On 2015-09-17 14:20:52 +0000, Roland Perry said:
ANPR requires a camera. Sorry, I meant that the only output from the camera was ANPR data, not surveillance. A lens with LEDs (infra red I presume) around it. Looks like a camera, then. Though it is by no means clear what is done with the data from the camera; possibly nothing other than checking whether it sees a car or a piece of tarmac. Germany, for instance, is not a CCTV loving country, and while cameras are usually provided for DOO train dispatch they are often not used for surveillance. Neil -- Neil Williams Put my first name before the @ to reply. |
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In message , at 12:18:24 on Fri, 18 Sep
2015, Neil Williams remarked: A lens with LEDs (infra red I presume) around it. Looks like a camera, then. Though it is by no means clear what is done with the data from the camera; possibly nothing other than checking whether it sees a car or a piece of tarmac. I'd regard that as highly unlikely. Germany, for instance, is not a CCTV loving country, and while cameras are usually provided for DOO train dispatch they are often not used for surveillance. Germany is a different country with a very different approach to privacy (and also a different approach to arming their police, although I don't claim there's any direct correlation). -- Roland Perry |
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On 2015-09-18 11:35:33 +0000, Roland Perry said:
I'd regard that as highly unlikely. Why? In a car park with hundreds of spaces, a video feed from each camera is a *lot* to record. I would strongly suspect they won't do this, and there will be a completely separate, regular CCTV system for that purpose. Germany is a different country with a very different approach to privacy (and also a different approach to arming their police, although I don't claim there's any direct correlation). This is true. Neil -- Neil Williams Put my first name before the @ to reply. |
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In message , at 14:03:21 on Fri, 18
Sep 2015, Neil Williams remarked: I'd regard that as highly unlikely. Why? In a car park with hundreds of spaces, a video feed from each camera is a *lot* to record. I would strongly suspect they won't do this, and there will be a completely separate, regular CCTV system for that purpose. Hard drives are cheap, blowing up airports is expensive. -- Roland Perry |
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On 2015-09-18 13:49:06 +0000, Roland Perry said:
In message , at 14:03:21 on Fri, 18 Sep 2015, Neil Williams remarked: I'd regard that as highly unlikely. Why? In a car park with hundreds of spaces, a video feed from each camera is a *lot* to record. I would strongly suspect they won't do this, and there will be a completely separate, regular CCTV system for that purpose. Hard drives are cheap, blowing up airports is expensive. But an existing CCTV system with dedicated cameras designed for that purpose is probably cheaper. I'm certain there will be one, I just doubt it will be using the parking space cameras to achieve it. Neil -- Neil Williams Put my first name before the @ to reply. |
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On 17/09/2015 13:59, Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 13:11:49 on Thu, 17 Sep 2015, Neil Williams remarked: When I was at Heathrow T2 last week I was surprised to see that there was a CCTV camera for *every* space in the car park. One of the side effects (although they could do it with less intrusive technology) was that empty spaces had a green light above them, so you could see from afar, down each aisle, whether or not there was somewhere to park. That's "sensor parking". The camera is probably just detecting presence, rather than being recorded. Yeah, right. Recoding a video stream from hundreds of cameras situated right next to each other seems like overkill, even for the most paranoid. I dare say they are just sensors. |
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On Fri, 18 Sep 2015 15:53:57 +0100
Mizter T wrote: On 17/09/2015 13:59, Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 13:11:49 on Thu, 17 Sep 2015, Neil Williams remarked: When I was at Heathrow T2 last week I was surprised to see that there was a CCTV camera for *every* space in the car park. One of the side effects (although they could do it with less intrusive technology) was that empty spaces had a green light above them, so you could see from afar, down each aisle, whether or not there was somewhere to park. That's "sensor parking". The camera is probably just detecting presence, rather than being recorded. Yeah, right. Recoding a video stream from hundreds of cameras situated right next to each other seems like overkill, even for the most paranoid. I dare say they are just sensors. Or alternatively they take a single static picture of cars parking. -- Spud |
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In message , at 15:28:45 on Fri, 18
Sep 2015, Neil Williams remarked: In a car park with hundreds of spaces, a video feed from each camera is a *lot* to record. I would strongly suspect they won't do this, and there will be a completely separate, regular CCTV system for that purpose. Hard drives are cheap, blowing up airports is expensive. But an existing CCTV system with dedicated cameras designed for that purpose is probably cheaper. I'm certain there will be one, I just doubt it will be using the parking space cameras to achieve it. I'm not sure what you mean by "existing" CCTV given that the T2 car park is very new. -- Roland Perry |
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In message , at 15:17:14 on Fri, 18 Sep
2015, y remarked: Recoding a video stream from hundreds of cameras situated right next to each other seems like overkill, even for the most paranoid. I dare say they are just sensors. Or alternatively they take a single static picture of cars parking. A snapshot once a minute might be sufficient for the anti-terrorism agenda. -- Roland Perry |
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On 2015-09-18 16:34:59 +0000, Roland Perry said:
I'm not sure what you mean by "existing" CCTV given that the T2 car park is very new. I mean a regular, separate CCTV system designed for surveillance, not one designed to see if cars are there or not. Neil -- Neil Williams Put my first name before the @ to reply. |
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In message , at 17:46:26 on Fri, 18
Sep 2015, Neil Williams remarked: I'm not sure what you mean by "existing" CCTV given that the T2 car park is very new. I mean a regular, separate CCTV system designed for surveillance, not one designed to see if cars are there or not. My view is that the very recently installed per-parking-space CCTV at Heathrow T2 does both. -- Roland Perry |
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