On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 14:50:43 +0100, "NY" wrote:

"Guy Gorton" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 30 Sep 2015 23:39:51 +0100, Charles Ellson
wrote:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...f-penalty.html

The photo used is exciting - 3rd rail into Marylebone almost
overnight!

And look how many different lines converge on Marylebone - all those extra
routes! Fitting them all through the tunnel under Lords cricket ground might
be a problem.

The GCR built two doubletrack, and one tripple track tunnels under the
MCC Lords grounds. Although AFIK one one has track within it just
now.

"e27002 aurora" wrote in message
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On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 14:50:43 +0100, "NY" wrote:

"Guy Gorton" wrote in message
. ..
On Wed, 30 Sep 2015 23:39:51 +0100, Charles Ellson
wrote:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...f-penalty.html

The photo used is exciting - 3rd rail into Marylebone almost
overnight!

And look how many different lines converge on Marylebone - all those extra
routes! Fitting them all through the tunnel under Lords cricket ground
might
be a problem.

The GCR built two doubletrack, and one tripple track tunnels under the
MCC Lords grounds. Although AFIK one one has track within it just
now.

I never knew that but I've just checked the large-scale maps on
http://maps.nls.uk/geo/find/#zoom=14...0.1684,51.5302

Although the tunnel further north is only single bore and twin track, the
southern section beneath Lords has two extra bores and 2+3 tracks either
side of the through ones:

http://maps.nls.uk/view/103029033 top left between Broadhurst Gardens and
Canfield Place by Finchley Road station, and spanning South Hampstead
station bottom centre

but

http://maps.nls.uk/view/103029030 bottom right and
http://maps.nls.uk/view/103029327 top left

On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 15:31:39 +0100, "NY" wrote:

"e27002 aurora" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 14:50:43 +0100, "NY" wrote:

"Guy Gorton" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 30 Sep 2015 23:39:51 +0100, Charles Ellson
wrote:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...f-penalty.html

The photo used is exciting - 3rd rail into Marylebone almost
overnight!

And look how many different lines converge on Marylebone - all those extra
routes! Fitting them all through the tunnel under Lords cricket ground
might
be a problem.

The GCR built two doubletrack, and one tripple track tunnels under the
MCC Lords grounds. Although AFIK one one has track within it just
now.

I never knew that but I've just checked the large-scale maps on
http://maps.nls.uk/geo/find/#zoom=14...0.1684,51.5302

Although the tunnel further north is only single bore and twin track, the
southern section beneath Lords has two extra bores and 2+3 tracks either
side of the through ones:

http://maps.nls.uk/view/103029033 top left between Broadhurst Gardens and
Canfield Place by Finchley Road station, and spanning South Hampstead
station bottom centre

but

http://maps.nls.uk/view/103029030 bottom right and
http://maps.nls.uk/view/103029327 top left

Things become very tight around West Hampstead. They have eased
considerably by Neasden.

Given the use of third and fourth rail to Amersham, there were those
who thought 4th rail might be the solution for Marylebone to
Aylesbury. But given that Chiltern services now run to Birmingham,
and the possibility of running to Milton Keynes, IMHO, Chiltern should
lobby for 25kV.

Thanks for the link the National Library of Scotland maps, very
enjoyable.

On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 15:31:39 +0100, "NY" wrote:

"e27002 aurora" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 14:50:43 +0100, "NY" wrote:

"Guy Gorton" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 30 Sep 2015 23:39:51 +0100, Charles Ellson
wrote:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...f-penalty.html

The photo used is exciting - 3rd rail into Marylebone almost
overnight!

And look how many different lines converge on Marylebone - all those extra
routes! Fitting them all through the tunnel under Lords cricket ground
might
be a problem.

The GCR built two doubletrack, and one tripple track tunnels under the
MCC Lords grounds. Although AFIK one one has track within it just
now.

I never knew that but I've just checked the large-scale maps on
http://maps.nls.uk/geo/find/#zoom=14...0.1684,51.5302

Although the tunnel further north is only single bore and twin track, the
southern section beneath Lords has two extra bores and 2+3 tracks either
side of the through ones:

http://maps.nls.uk/view/103029033 top left between Broadhurst Gardens and
Canfield Place by Finchley Road station, and spanning South Hampstead
station bottom centre

but

http://maps.nls.uk/view/103029030 bottom right and
http://maps.nls.uk/view/103029327 top left

Here is a photo by S. W. A. Newton of those 3 tunnels at Lords being
constructed.
http://www.railwayarchive.org.uk/map...=1&mp=3&all=no
You can navigate away friom this picture to see a wide range of Newton
photos from that area. In fact from almost anywhere along the GCR
line.

Guy Gorton

On Fri, 02 Oct 2015 11:47:22 +0100, Guy Gorton
wrote:

On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 15:31:39 +0100, "NY" wrote:

"e27002 aurora" wrote in message
. ..
On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 14:50:43 +0100, "NY" wrote:

"Guy Gorton" wrote in message
m...
On Wed, 30 Sep 2015 23:39:51 +0100, Charles Ellson
wrote:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...f-penalty.html

The photo used is exciting - 3rd rail into Marylebone almost
overnight!

And look how many different lines converge on Marylebone - all those extra
routes! Fitting them all through the tunnel under Lords cricket ground
might
be a problem.

The GCR built two doubletrack, and one tripple track tunnels under the
MCC Lords grounds. Although AFIK one one has track within it just
now.

I never knew that but I've just checked the large-scale maps on
http://maps.nls.uk/geo/find/#zoom=14...0.1684,51.5302

Although the tunnel further north is only single bore and twin track, the
southern section beneath Lords has two extra bores and 2+3 tracks either
side of the through ones:

http://maps.nls.uk/view/103029033 top left between Broadhurst Gardens and
Canfield Place by Finchley Road station, and spanning South Hampstead
station bottom centre

but

http://maps.nls.uk/view/103029030 bottom right and
http://maps.nls.uk/view/103029327 top left

Here is a photo by S. W. A. Newton of those 3 tunnels at Lords being
constructed.
http://www.railwayarchive.org.uk/map...=1&mp=3&all=no
You can navigate away friom this picture to see a wide range of Newton
photos from that area. In fact from almost anywhere along the GCR
line.

Many of those pictures were printed in a book by LTC Rolt. Some were
printed in a booklet by a Leicestershire museum. The railwayarchive
link is in "my favourites".

These photographs are wonderful, yet so sad. The fact that the
construction of MS&L ry's route to London is so well documented is
great. I love to look at them.

But, one is reminded of how this route was run down and finally closed
by Barbara Castle. The jobs were lost, and the family connections and
travel opportunities gone. And more freight was pushed onto the
roads.

Muy triste.

On Fri, 02 Oct 2015 12:10:47 +0100, e27002 aurora
wrote:



http://maps.nls.uk/view/103029033 top left between Broadhurst Gardens and
Canfield Place by Finchley Road station, and spanning South Hampstead
station bottom centre

but

http://maps.nls.uk/view/103029030 bottom right and
http://maps.nls.uk/view/103029327 top left

Here is a photo by S. W. A. Newton of those 3 tunnels at Lords being
constructed.
http://www.railwayarchive.org.uk/map...=1&mp=3&all=no
You can navigate away friom this picture to see a wide range of Newton
photos from that area. In fact from almost anywhere along the GCR
line.

Many of those pictures were printed in a book by LTC Rolt. Some were
printed in a booklet by a Leicestershire museum. The railwayarchive
link is in "my favourites".

These photographs are wonderful, yet so sad. The fact that the
construction of MS&L ry's route to London is so well documented is
great. I love to look at them.

But, one is reminded of how this route was run down and finally closed
by Barbara Castle. The jobs were lost, and the family connections and
travel opportunities gone. And more freight was pushed onto the
roads.

Muy triste.

True. I have Rolt's book, of course, and bought several scans of
Newton's negatives from,Leicestershire Records Office and later they
made scans more widely available so I obtained some more.
I have used them in some presentations on our local railway - I live
very near to the GW & GC Joint line. Lots more railway history at
High Wycombe, most totally unknown to today's local population even
though some of the earliest buildings still exist..

Guy Gorton

On Fri, 02 Oct 2015 11:47:22 +0100, Guy Gorton
wrote:


Here is a photo by S. W. A. Newton of those 3 tunnels at Lords being
constructed.
http://www.railwayarchive.org.uk/map...=1&mp=3&all=no
You can navigate away friom this picture to see a wide range of Newton
photos from that area. In fact from almost anywhere along the GCR
line.

Guy Gorton

Thinking a bit more about these tunnels, I wonder if there is any
other stretch of railway in the UK that has as many cut and cover
tunnels in less than 20 miles, and no bored ones in the same stretch.

Guy Gorton

The fare dodger was described as a barrister but he was also given the title Dr. He must be very clever!

On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 06:16:58 -0700 (PDT), Offramp
wrote:

The fare dodger was described as a barrister but he was also given the title Dr. He must be very clever!

Perhaps he has a PhD in Law? Or, he may have studied multiple
disciplines.

On Fri, 02 Oct 2015 14:58:38 +0100
e27002 aurora wrote:
On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 06:16:58 -0700 (PDT), Offramp
wrote:

The fare dodger was described as a barrister but he was also given the title
Dr. He must be very clever!

Perhaps he has a PhD in Law? Or, he may have studied multiple
disciplines.

He was certainly smart enough to scam the idiotic Oyster system. You have to
hand it to the guy - he saved himself 20K. The only reason he was caught is
because he handed himself in. I doubt they'd have bothered to trace him
otherwise - after all, at the time as far as they were concerned he'd simply
been charged maximum fare for not touching in.

--
Spud