On 01/11/2015 00:54, Charles Ellson wrote:
On Sun, 1 Nov 2015 00:02:08 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:

Charles Ellson wrote:
On Sat, 31 Oct 2015 12:03:37 +0000, Basil Jet
wrote:

On 2015\10\31 12:01, Basil Jet wrote:
On 2015\10\31 09:34, e27002 aurora wrote:

Dalston, Angel and St Pancras look reasonable. BUT, then the line
heads for Victoria. Victoria already has a direct route toKX/St P.
But Waterloo does not. Why not follow the route of the WWI plan for
an express Northern Line pair to Waterloo?

Boris's new toy then follows a zigzag route to Wimbledon. Wimbledon
is already well served and cramped. Adding the entrances here for a
Crossrail station will be difficult. Moreover it adds little value.
Anyone heading from Wimbledon to Victoria has a choice of routes. One
can change at Clapham Junction, or use the District Line.

Why not continue to shadow the Northern Line with Stations at
Kennington, Clapham North, Balham, Tooting Broadway, and South
Wimbledon?

Borisrail then continues to Raynes Park. There is a logic to this
because several of the main SW suburban routes have converged there.
But Boris's route then runs onto them ALL. That begs the question: Why
retain the slow pair from Waterloo. How does TfL, et al, expect to
maintain the discipline of a rapid transit service with four branches?

No, from Colliers Wood Crossrail two should continue to Raynes Park
for interchange and then take over the pair towards Motspur Park. The
route could terminate at Chessington and Horsham. The later will
provide many valuable connections to, and from, the outer suburbs.


That sounds dear. I don't know why everybody wants to build underground
stations everywhere. They're dear!

By 2030 the Waterloo trains will probably all be electric or bi-mode. I
suggest a new twin-tunnel mainline from Hersham to Clapham Junction with
a pair of tunnelled platforms at Kingston, to replace Surbiton as the
principal station in the area. That would free up lots of room on the
surface lines through Wimbledon and Surbiton for more local trains which
could then go into the CR2 tunnel near Clapham Junction in approximately
the same place as the mainline tunnel ended.

I forgot to say that the mainline would be under parkland for much of
the route and under the A3 for another chunk, all of which cheapens and
simplifies construction.

If the oil runs out you could put the railway on one side of the A3 as
the other side might be all that's needed for what's left of public
and goods road transport.

The oil isn't running out any time soon,

Strange, three parties spent two years telling people in Scotland that
it was.


Another story you can't get right, one day you will have to face up to
the fact that all these straw men are just that.


--
Graeme Wall
This account not read, substitute trains for rail.

On Sun, 1 Nov 2015 18:27:53 +0000, Graeme Wall
wrote:

On 01/11/2015 00:54, Charles Ellson wrote:
On Sun, 1 Nov 2015 00:02:08 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:

Charles Ellson wrote:
On Sat, 31 Oct 2015 12:03:37 +0000, Basil Jet
wrote:

On 2015\10\31 12:01, Basil Jet wrote:
On 2015\10\31 09:34, e27002 aurora wrote:

Dalston, Angel and St Pancras look reasonable. BUT, then the line
heads for Victoria. Victoria already has a direct route toKX/St P.
But Waterloo does not. Why not follow the route of the WWI plan for
an express Northern Line pair to Waterloo?

Boris's new toy then follows a zigzag route to Wimbledon. Wimbledon
is already well served and cramped. Adding the entrances here for a
Crossrail station will be difficult. Moreover it adds little value.
Anyone heading from Wimbledon to Victoria has a choice of routes. One
can change at Clapham Junction, or use the District Line.

Why not continue to shadow the Northern Line with Stations at
Kennington, Clapham North, Balham, Tooting Broadway, and South
Wimbledon?

Borisrail then continues to Raynes Park. There is a logic to this
because several of the main SW suburban routes have converged there.
But Boris's route then runs onto them ALL. That begs the question: Why
retain the slow pair from Waterloo. How does TfL, et al, expect to
maintain the discipline of a rapid transit service with four branches?

No, from Colliers Wood Crossrail two should continue to Raynes Park
for interchange and then take over the pair towards Motspur Park. The
route could terminate at Chessington and Horsham. The later will
provide many valuable connections to, and from, the outer suburbs.


That sounds dear. I don't know why everybody wants to build underground
stations everywhere. They're dear!

By 2030 the Waterloo trains will probably all be electric or bi-mode. I
suggest a new twin-tunnel mainline from Hersham to Clapham Junction with
a pair of tunnelled platforms at Kingston, to replace Surbiton as the
principal station in the area. That would free up lots of room on the
surface lines through Wimbledon and Surbiton for more local trains which
could then go into the CR2 tunnel near Clapham Junction in approximately
the same place as the mainline tunnel ended.

I forgot to say that the mainline would be under parkland for much of
the route and under the A3 for another chunk, all of which cheapens and
simplifies construction.

If the oil runs out you could put the railway on one side of the A3 as
the other side might be all that's needed for what's left of public
and goods road transport.

The oil isn't running out any time soon,

Strange, three parties spent two years telling people in Scotland that
it was.


Another story you can't get right, one day you will have to face up to
the fact that all these straw men are just that.

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