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Basil Jet[_4_] November 9th 15 11:56 PM

Bank Station, and orbital railways
 

According to
https://www.london.gov.uk/sites/defa...%20Paper_3.pdf
, by 2022 Bank station should have "a new southbound running tunnel and
platform
for the Northern line". What's wrong with the one they've got?

[email protected] November 10th 15 12:05 AM

Bank Station, and orbital railways
 
On 10.11.15 0:56, Basil Jet wrote:

According to
https://www.london.gov.uk/sites/defa...%20Paper_3.pdf
, by 2022 Bank station should have "a new southbound running tunnel and
platform
for the Northern line". What's wrong with the one they've got?


Too many passengers, not enough space, AIUI.

Recliner[_3_] November 10th 15 01:14 AM

Bank Station, and orbital railways
 
Basil Jet wrote:

According to
https://www.london.gov.uk/sites/defa...%20Paper_3.pdf
, by 2022 Bank station should have "a new southbound running tunnel and
platform for the Northern line". What's wrong with the one they've got?


Same deal as Angel and London Bridge.


Basil Jet[_4_] November 10th 15 01:35 AM

Bank Station, and orbital railways
 
On 2015\11\10 02:14, Recliner wrote:
Basil Jet wrote:

According to
https://www.london.gov.uk/sites/defa...%20Paper_3.pdf
, by 2022 Bank station should have "a new southbound running tunnel and
platform for the Northern line". What's wrong with the one they've got?


Same deal as Angel and London Bridge.


Not quite... Angel had the two tracks in the same station tunnel, like
Clapham Common etc.

Recliner[_3_] November 10th 15 07:27 AM

Bank Station, and orbital railways
 
Basil Jet wrote:
On 2015\11\10 02:14, Recliner wrote:
Basil Jet wrote:

According to
https://www.london.gov.uk/sites/defa...%20Paper_3.pdf
, by 2022 Bank station should have "a new southbound running tunnel and
platform for the Northern line". What's wrong with the one they've got?


Same deal as Angel and London Bridge.


Not quite... Angel had the two tracks in the same station tunnel, like
Clapham Common etc.


Fair enough, but they're all solutions to the same problem, fitting vastly
more people into old, constricted stations.


Offramp November 10th 15 08:54 AM

Bank Station, and orbital railways
 
On Tuesday, 10 November 2015 08:29:25 UTC, Recliner wrote:

Fair enough, but they're all solutions to the same problem, fitting vastly
more people into old, constricted stations.


There are probably worse changes on the Tube, but personally I always disliked Central Line Bank to Northern Line Bank (and vice versa) MOST. A crowded spiral staircase with people breathing down your neck - a thin passageway and then a queue to get down the stairs! Then, on the Northern platform, the crush of passengers. I was going to Tooting, so I had no real choice. Some people were only travelling Bank-London Bridge, but luckily in good weather a huge amount of people took to shanks's pony.

[email protected] November 10th 15 09:34 AM

Bank Station, and orbital railways
 
On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 09:40:20 +0000
Paul Corfield wrote:
The rebuild will add a huge amount of extra circulation space and much
faster egress routes to the street. This will aid evacuation and
reduce the time to get people out in an emergency.


I wonder if they'll "unwind" the tunnels and revert Bank to left hand running?

In a Money No Object universe , another way to reduce the crowding at Bank
would be to extend the Great Northern from moorgate one stop since a lot of
people go from there onto the northern to go 1 stop to Bank.

--
Spud



[email protected] November 10th 15 10:25 AM

Bank Station, and orbital railways
 
On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 10:45:55 +0000
Paul Corfield wrote:
On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 10:34:41 +0000 (UTC), d wrote:

On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 09:40:20 +0000
Paul Corfield wrote:
The rebuild will add a huge amount of extra circulation space and much
faster egress routes to the street. This will aid evacuation and
reduce the time to get people out in an emergency.


I wonder if they'll "unwind" the tunnels and revert Bank to left hand running?


That's not in the plan. I went to see the exhibition at the time and
looked at the cut away models they'd done to show how it all fits
together.


Odd. I'd have thought that an obvious thing to do to speed up the service
since it crawls around the bends going south.

Unfortunately Crossrail and the new Moorgate/ Liv St station
completely blocks the ability to extend the GN tunnels. "Money no
object" is overridden by "physically impossible".


Oh well. It would never have happened anyway.

--
Spud



Recliner[_3_] November 10th 15 11:28 AM

Bank Station, and orbital railways
 
On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 11:25:39 +0000 (UTC), d wrote:

On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 10:45:55 +0000
Paul Corfield wrote:
On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 10:34:41 +0000 (UTC),
d wrote:

On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 09:40:20 +0000
Paul Corfield wrote:
The rebuild will add a huge amount of extra circulation space and much
faster egress routes to the street. This will aid evacuation and
reduce the time to get people out in an emergency.

I wonder if they'll "unwind" the tunnels and revert Bank to left hand running?


That's not in the plan. I went to see the exhibition at the time and
looked at the cut away models they'd done to show how it all fits
together.


Odd. I'd have thought that an obvious thing to do to speed up the service
since it crawls around the bends going south.


London Bridge also has right-hand running.

[email protected] November 10th 15 12:06 PM

Bank Station, and orbital railways
 
On 10.11.15 8:27, Recliner wrote:
Basil Jet wrote:
On 2015\11\10 02:14, Recliner wrote:
Basil Jet wrote:

According to
https://www.london.gov.uk/sites/defa...%20Paper_3.pdf
, by 2022 Bank station should have "a new southbound running tunnel and
platform for the Northern line". What's wrong with the one they've got?

Same deal as Angel and London Bridge.


Not quite... Angel had the two tracks in the same station tunnel, like
Clapham Common etc.


Fair enough, but they're all solutions to the same problem, fitting vastly
more people into old, constricted stations.

Are there plans to rebuild those two stations south of Kennington, the
names of which I cannot at this time recall?


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