Chiltern to Old Oak Common
 

In the latest RAIL, the Business Development Manager (I think that was
his title) of Chiltern says that he wants to run trains to Old Oak
Common via the Park Royal line, which he said would need upgrading. I
presume he was talking about more than the one return journey the line
gets now.

Chiltern to Old Oak Common
 

"Basil Jet" wrote in message
...

In the latest RAIL, the Business Development Manager (I think that was his
title) of Chiltern says that he wants to run trains to Old Oak Common via
the Park Royal line, which he said would need upgrading. I presume he was
talking about more than the one return journey the line gets now.

And I presume he intends running trains ultimately to Paddington, not
terminating them at OOC :-)

I wonder if his intention will be eventually to run all Birmingham/Wycombe
trains to Paddington rather than Marylebone, or whether some trains will go
to Paddington and some/most to Marylebone.

When Marylebone was under threat of closure in the 1980s, the plane was for
all Wycombe trains to use the Park Royal line.

Chiltern to Old Oak Common
 

On Wed, 11 Nov 2015 21:31:51 -0000, "NY" wrote:

"Basil Jet" wrote in message
...

In the latest RAIL, the Business Development Manager (I think that was his
title) of Chiltern says that he wants to run trains to Old Oak Common via
the Park Royal line, which he said would need upgrading. I presume he was
talking about more than the one return journey the line gets now.

And I presume he intends running trains ultimately to Paddington, not
terminating them at OOC :-)

I wonder if his intention will be eventually to run all Birmingham/Wycombe
trains to Paddington rather than Marylebone, or whether some trains will go
to Paddington and some/most to Marylebone.

When Marylebone was under threat of closure in the 1980s, the plane was for
all Wycombe trains to use the Park Royal line.
Why Paddington? Once OOC is up and running as a Crossrail station it
makes perfect sense for Chiltern to target it.

Chiltern to Old Oak Common
 

On 2015\11\11 22:56, Graham Harrison wrote:
On Wed, 11 Nov 2015 21:31:51 -0000, "NY" wrote:

"Basil Jet" wrote in message
...

In the latest RAIL, the Business Development Manager (I think that was his
title) of Chiltern says that he wants to run trains to Old Oak Common via
the Park Royal line, which he said would need upgrading. I presume he was
talking about more than the one return journey the line gets now.

And I presume he intends running trains ultimately to Paddington, not
terminating them at OOC :-)

I wonder if his intention will be eventually to run all Birmingham/Wycombe
trains to Paddington rather than Marylebone, or whether some trains will go
to Paddington and some/most to Marylebone.

When Marylebone was under threat of closure in the 1980s, the plane was for
all Wycombe trains to use the Park Royal line.

Why Paddington? Once OOC is up and running as a Crossrail station it
makes perfect sense for Chiltern to target it.

Crossrail's just a glorified tube line. No-one would ever say Chiltern
should terminate a load of trains at Sudbury Hill Harrow to target the
Piccadilly Line. Old Oak Common will not offer noticeably more than West
Hampstead, whose Jubilee Line and North London Line and Thameslink
trains to Gatwick and Luton are not worth slowing down for.

In a recent thread about this route, it was accepted that
Paddington does not have enough spare capacity to receive
Chiltern trains.

Chiltern to Old Oak Common
 

Basil Jet wrote:
On 2015\11\11 22:56, Graham Harrison wrote:
On Wed, 11 Nov 2015 21:31:51 -0000, "NY" wrote:

"Basil Jet" wrote in message
...

In the latest RAIL, the Business Development Manager (I think that was his
title) of Chiltern says that he wants to run trains to Old Oak Common via
the Park Royal line, which he said would need upgrading. I presume he was
talking about more than the one return journey the line gets now.

And I presume he intends running trains ultimately to Paddington, not
terminating them at OOC :-)

I wonder if his intention will be eventually to run all Birmingham/Wycombe
trains to Paddington rather than Marylebone, or whether some trains will go
to Paddington and some/most to Marylebone.

When Marylebone was under threat of closure in the 1980s, the plane was for
all Wycombe trains to use the Park Royal line.

Why Paddington? Once OOC is up and running as a Crossrail station it
makes perfect sense for Chiltern to target it.

Crossrail's just a glorified tube line. No-one would ever say Chiltern
should terminate a load of trains at Sudbury Hill Harrow to target the
Piccadilly Line. Old Oak Common will not offer noticeably more than West
Hampstead, whose Jubilee Line and North London Line and Thameslink
trains to Gatwick and Luton are not worth slowing down for.

Connecting to Crossrail will provide many more useful connections than are
available from Marylebone (or West Hampstead), including Heathrow, the West
End, City and Canary Wharf.

Chiltern to Old Oak Common
 

Robin9 wrote:

NY;151690 Wrote:
"Basil Jet" wrote in message
...-

In the latest RAIL, the Business Development Manager (I think that was
his
title) of Chiltern says that he wants to run trains to Old Oak Common
via
the Park Royal line, which he said would need upgrading. I presume he
was
talking about more than the one return journey the line gets now.-

And I presume he intends running trains ultimately to Paddington, not
terminating them at OOC :-)

I wonder if his intention will be eventually to run all
Birmingham/Wycombe
trains to Paddington rather than Marylebone, or whether some trains will
go
to Paddington and some/most to Marylebone.

When Marylebone was under threat of closure in the 1980s, the plane was
for
all Wycombe trains to use the Park Royal line.

In a recent thread about this route, it was accepted that
Paddington does not have enough spare capacity to receive
Chiltern trains.

I think the conclusion was that the limitation was on capacity on the lines
into Paddington, rather than the station itself. Crossrail will move quite
a few current GWR services from the surface station to the basement,
leaving the higher numbered platforms little used.

Chiltern to Old Oak Common
 

Old Oak Common is set to become a destination in its own right, just like Stratford.

Chiltern to Old Oak Common
 

Steve Lewis wrote:
Old Oak Common is set to become a destination in its own right, just like Stratford.


Yes, that's certainly true, though I'm not sure how soon. Presumably the
new buildings will be constructed after HS2 gets there?

Chiltern to Old Oak Common
 

On Thu, 12 Nov 2015 09:35:43 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:

Basil Jet wrote:
On 2015\11\11 22:56, Graham Harrison wrote:
On Wed, 11 Nov 2015 21:31:51 -0000, "NY" wrote:

"Basil Jet" wrote in message
...

In the latest RAIL, the Business Development Manager (I think that was his
title) of Chiltern says that he wants to run trains to Old Oak Common via
the Park Royal line, which he said would need upgrading. I presume he was
talking about more than the one return journey the line gets now.

And I presume he intends running trains ultimately to Paddington, not
terminating them at OOC :-)

I wonder if his intention will be eventually to run all Birmingham/Wycombe
trains to Paddington rather than Marylebone, or whether some trains will go
to Paddington and some/most to Marylebone.

When Marylebone was under threat of closure in the 1980s, the plane was for
all Wycombe trains to use the Park Royal line.

Why Paddington? Once OOC is up and running as a Crossrail station it
makes perfect sense for Chiltern to target it.

Crossrail's just a glorified tube line. No-one would ever say Chiltern
should terminate a load of trains at Sudbury Hill Harrow to target the
Piccadilly Line. Old Oak Common will not offer noticeably more than West
Hampstead, whose Jubilee Line and North London Line and Thameslink
trains to Gatwick and Luton are not worth slowing down for.

Connecting to Crossrail will provide many more useful connections than are
available from Marylebone (or West Hampstead),

not a lot more

including Heathrow,

One change from West Hampstead

the West End,

direct from West Hampstead

City

direct from West Hampstead

and Canary Wharf.

direct from West Hampstead.

Chiltern to Old Oak Common
 

On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 10:13:56 -0800 (PST), Chris Miles-Patrick Date
wrote:

Marylebone to Northolt Park takes 15 minutes. Oxford Circus to Northolt
takes 29 minutes. Green Park to South Harrow (which is the nearest tube
to Northolt Park) takes 39 minutes. I don't see how either of the tube
lines can be called a valid substitute for the Chiltern.

Northolt Park to Oxford Circus via Marylebone takes how long?

Over an hour if you don't match yourself to the Chiltern timetable.

Chiltern may take *only* 15 mins to Marylebone but what about both the *station interchange* and *tube transfer* times on the Bakerloo line to Oxford Circus? It's then roughly the same time if you go either direct on LU or Chiltern with a change at Marylebone.

Remember that most Chiltern local trains also terminate in the platforms at the very end of the station which is a good 3-4 minute walk to the station entrance/tube station - one of the reasons I despise using Marylebone.

Entirely down to the folly of the nationalized railway. First they
made it hard to build the planned, but unbuilt, platforms 5 thru 10.
This was done by allowing the British Waterways Board HQ to be built
within the station's footprint.

Later, having made the cab road into platforms they allowed the BNP
Paribas Bank building to replace the BWB HQ building and further
encroach into the station. It occupies part of the original platforms
three and four, the now shortened five and six.
There can have been few organizations more destructive, expensive, and
less customer friendly than British Railways.