Is it no longer possible to buy a single bus ticket? My son has left
his Oyster card somewhere and is coming into Euston tonight - does he
have to buy a one day card to use the bus?

E.

On Friday, December 4, 2015 at 9:51:15 AM UTC, eastender wrote:
Is it no longer possible to buy a single bus ticket? My son has left
his Oyster card somewhere and is coming into Euston tonight - does he
have to buy a one day card to use the bus?

E.

He can use a contactless bank card to pay for a single fare.

On 04/12/2015 09:57, Piatkow wrote:
On Friday, December 4, 2015 at 9:51:15 AM UTC, eastender wrote:
Is it no longer possible to buy a single bus ticket? My son has left
his Oyster card somewhere and is coming into Euston tonight - does he
have to buy a one day card to use the bus?

E.

He can use a contactless bank card to pay for a single fare.

I thought that when contactless bank cards were introduced for small
transactions in shops one of the safeguards was that the first time you
used one you would be required to enter your pin on the associated pin
pad, just so that if someone stole your card and you had not enabled it
in this way it could not be used to empty your account. But buses and
tube gatelines don't have a pin-pad - so does this mean (a) that you no
longer have to enable them, so that all contactless cards are instantly
valuable to a thief who wants to travel around London, or (b) you do
have to use them somewhere else first such as in a shop where a pin-pad
is provided? I've searched the TfL website without being able to find
anything on this topic.

(I'm an Oyster user but have a National Rail discount loaded on mine, so
use of contactless cards would cost more, but it would be nice to know
whether in an emergency I could use it or not).

--
Clive Page

In message , at 14:35:30 on Fri, 4 Dec
2015, Clive Page remarked:
On 04/12/2015 09:57, Piatkow wrote:
On Friday, December 4, 2015 at 9:51:15 AM UTC, eastender wrote:
Is it no longer possible to buy a single bus ticket? My son has left
his Oyster card somewhere and is coming into Euston tonight - does he
have to buy a one day card to use the bus?

He can use a contactless bank card to pay for a single fare.

I thought that when contactless bank cards were introduced for small
transactions in shops one of the safeguards was that the first time you
used one you would be required to enter your pin on the associated pin
pad, just so that if someone stole your card and you had not enabled it
in this way it could not be used to empty your account.

I dimly recall that too, but have never encountered it myself in the
field (I have several cards on the go).

But buses and tube gatelines don't have a pin-pad - so does this mean
(a) that you no longer have to enable them, so that all contactless
cards are instantly valuable to a thief who wants to travel around
London, or (b) you do have to use them somewhere else first such as in
a shop where a pin-pad is provided? I've searched the TfL website
without being able to find anything on this topic.

At least two of my cards have only *ever* been used as contactless on
TfL (I got them to play with), and they both worked fine first time.

Another card has never been used *contactless* other than on TfL. Again,
it worked first time.

(I'm an Oyster user but have a National Rail discount loaded on mine,
so use of contactless cards would cost more, but it would be nice to
know whether in an emergency I could use it or not).

--
Roland Perry

On Fri, 4 Dec 2015 14:51:45 +0000
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 14:35:30 on Fri, 4 Dec
2015, Clive Page remarked:
But buses and tube gatelines don't have a pin-pad - so does this mean
(a) that you no longer have to enable them, so that all contactless
cards are instantly valuable to a thief who wants to travel around
London, or (b) you do have to use them somewhere else first such as in
a shop where a pin-pad is provided? I've searched the TfL website
without being able to find anything on this topic.

At least two of my cards have only *ever* been used as contactless on
TfL (I got them to play with), and they both worked fine first time.

Good to know TfL are completely ignoring basic banking security. Makes me
glad I've disabled all my contactless cards.

--
Spud

In message , at 14:58:38 on Fri, 4 Dec
2015, d remarked:
But buses and tube gatelines don't have a pin-pad - so does this mean
(a) that you no longer have to enable them, so that all contactless
cards are instantly valuable to a thief who wants to travel around
London, or (b) you do have to use them somewhere else first such as in
a shop where a pin-pad is provided? I've searched the TfL website
without being able to find anything on this topic.

At least two of my cards have only *ever* been used as contactless on
TfL (I got them to play with), and they both worked fine first time.

Good to know TfL are completely ignoring basic banking security. Makes me
glad I've disabled all my contactless cards.

They'll block the card it it's reported lost/stolen, and you should be
able to get your money back. It's not as if the perp's run off with a
free burger or anything, so I expect they are happy to take the risk.
--
Roland Perry

On Fri, 4 Dec 2015 14:58:38 +0000 (UTC), d wrote:

On Fri, 4 Dec 2015 14:51:45 +0000
Roland Perry wrote:

At least two of my cards have only *ever* been used as contactless on
TfL (I got them to play with), and they both worked fine first time.

Good to know TfL are completely ignoring basic banking security. Makes me
glad I've disabled all my contactless cards.

They're not - they worked with the banks to create the PIN-less
protocol, and given the relatively small values, they must have
decided it was a risk worth taking. I'd give them the credit for
introducing something not possible in most of the rest of the world.

Richard.

On 04/12/2015 14:58, d wrote:
On Fri, 4 Dec 2015 14:51:45 +0000
Roland Perry wrote:
At least two of my cards have only *ever* been used as contactless on
TfL (I got them to play with), and they both worked fine first time.

Good to know TfL are completely ignoring basic banking security. Makes me
glad I've disabled all my contactless cards.

And there was me thinking that by never using any of my cards in a
contactless terminal in a shop I was thereby making them useless to a
thief who wanted to use them on a train or bus service.

On the plus side, it does mean if I'm unlucky/stupid enough to lose my
Oyster card I could use one of them in emergency. But if would have
nice to have known about this security hole in advance.

--
Clive Page

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message , at 14:35:30 on Fri, 4 Dec
2015, Clive Page remarked:
On 04/12/2015 09:57, Piatkow wrote:
On Friday, December 4, 2015 at 9:51:15 AM UTC, eastender wrote:
Is it no longer possible to buy a single bus ticket? My son has left
his Oyster card somewhere and is coming into Euston tonight - does he
have to buy a one day card to use the bus?

He can use a contactless bank card to pay for a single fare.

I thought that when contactless bank cards were introduced for small
transactions in shops one of the safeguards was that the first time you
used one you would be required to enter your pin on the associated pin
pad, just so that if someone stole your card and you had not enabled it in
this way it could not be used to empty your account.

I dimly recall that too, but have never encountered it myself in the field
(I have several cards on the go).

But buses and tube gatelines don't have a pin-pad - so does this mean (a)
that you no longer have to enable them, so that all contactless cards are
instantly valuable to a thief who wants to travel around London, or (b)
you do have to use them somewhere else first such as in a shop where a
pin-pad is provided? I've searched the TfL website without being able to
find anything on this topic.

At least two of my cards have only *ever* been used as contactless on TfL
(I got them to play with), and they both worked fine first time.

I have just receive my new card and I had to put it in any ATM (presumably
to confirm my PIN) before it would work contactlessly.

I guess that in this respect, TfL use is the same as paying for my shopping
in Lidl

tim

On Fri, 4 Dec 2015 15:34:03 -0000, "tim....."
wrote:

I have just receive my new card and I had to put it in any ATM (presumably
to confirm my PIN) before it would work contactlessly.

Did you also have to activate it online? My bank requires this and I
think it's a good idea as anyone could grab it from my mailbox.

--
jhk