New Holborn standing escalator trial
 

I see that LU is to have another, much longer trial of the 'stand on both
sides of the escalator' rule at Holborn:

http://railnews.mobi/news/2016/03/10...-stand-on.html

The previous trial confirmed the theory that, at busy times, escalator
throughout was much higher if people stood on both sides. This time,
they're testing how to get the message across.

New Holborn standing escalator trial
 

On Thu, 10 Mar 2016 15:52:24 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
I see that LU is to have another, much longer trial of the 'stand on both
sides of the escalator' rule at Holborn:

http://railnews.mobi/news/2016/03/10...-stand-on.html

The previous trial confirmed the theory that, at busy times, escalator
throughout was much higher if people stood on both sides. This time,
they're testing how to get the message across.

FTA:

"It may not seem right that you can go quicker by standing still, but our
experiments at Holborn have proved that it can be true"

Sorry matey, but it depends who you're talking about. People who would have
stood anyway will probably get up quicker. Those who would have walked up will
inevitably be delayed.

--
Spud

New Holborn standing escalator trial
 

wrote:
On Thu, 10 Mar 2016 15:52:24 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
I see that LU is to have another, much longer trial of the 'stand on both
sides of the escalator' rule at Holborn:

http://railnews.mobi/news/2016/03/10...-stand-on.html

The previous trial confirmed the theory that, at busy times, escalator
throughout was much higher if people stood on both sides. This time,
they're testing how to get the message across.

FTA:

"It may not seem right that you can go quicker by standing still, but our
experiments at Holborn have proved that it can be true"

Sorry matey, but it depends who you're talking about. People who would have
stood anyway will probably get up quicker. Those who would have walked up will
inevitably be delayed.

It's all about throughput, not maximising the speed of every passenger.
Many more people use the left side of long up escalators if they can stand,
and don't have to climb. This is a long established theory which the
previous trial confirmed. Now the challenge is to get commuters to change
their behaviour on certain escalators at certain times.

New Holborn standing escalator trial
 

In message , at 16:00:08 on Thu, 10 Mar
2016, d remarked:
I see that LU is to have another, much longer trial of the 'stand on both
sides of the escalator' rule at Holborn:

http://railnews.mobi/news/2016/03/10...-stand-on.html

The previous trial confirmed the theory that, at busy times, escalator
throughout was much higher if people stood on both sides. This time,
they're testing how to get the message across.

FTA:

"It may not seem right that you can go quicker by standing still, but our
experiments at Holborn have proved that it can be true"

Sorry matey, but it depends who you're talking about. People who would have
stood anyway will probably get up quicker. Those who would have walked up will
inevitably be delayed.

Sadly not, because they would have been delayed in the bigger queue for
the escalator.
--
Roland Perry

New Holborn standing escalator trial
 

On Thu, 10 Mar 2016 16:26:38 +0000
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 16:00:08 on Thu, 10 Mar
2016, d remarked:
I see that LU is to have another, much longer trial of the 'stand on both
sides of the escalator' rule at Holborn:

http://railnews.mobi/news/2016/03/10...s-stand-on.htm


The previous trial confirmed the theory that, at busy times, escalator
throughout was much higher if people stood on both sides. This time,
they're testing how to get the message across.

FTA:

"It may not seem right that you can go quicker by standing still, but our
experiments at Holborn have proved that it can be true"

Sorry matey, but it depends who you're talking about. People who would have
stood anyway will probably get up quicker. Those who would have walked up will
inevitably be delayed.

Sadly not, because they would have been delayed in the bigger queue for
the escalator.

Not as much as they'll have been delayed standing all the way up the long
escalator at Holborn. Besides, often you can walk past all the people waiting
for the right.

--
Spud

New Holborn standing escalator trial
 

In message , at 16:40:44 on Thu, 10 Mar
2016, d remarked:
Sorry matey, but it depends who you're talking about. People who would have
stood anyway will probably get up quicker. Those who would have walked up will
inevitably be delayed.

Sadly not, because they would have been delayed in the bigger queue for
the escalator.

Not as much as they'll have been delayed standing all the way up the long
escalator at Holborn.

TfL's stats would claim otherwise.
--
Roland Perry

New Holborn standing escalator trial
 

On Thu, 10 Mar 2016 16:59:13 +0000
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 16:40:44 on Thu, 10 Mar
2016, d remarked:
Sorry matey, but it depends who you're talking about. People who would have
stood anyway will probably get up quicker. Those who would have walked up
will
inevitably be delayed.

Sadly not, because they would have been delayed in the bigger queue for
the escalator.

Not as much as they'll have been delayed standing all the way up the long
escalator at Holborn.

TfL's stats would claim otherwise.

I'm sure they would, but I wouldn't believe them. The *average* speed of
everyone going up no doubt will be faster. But for those of us who arn't
bone idle lard butts it'll almost certainly be slower. Holborn is a long
escalator and there's no way the wait at the bottom can ever be long enough
to make up for standing all the way to the top.

--
Spud

New Holborn standing escalator trial
 

In message , at 10:43:02 on Fri, 11 Mar
2016, d remarked:
Not as much as they'll have been delayed standing all the way up the long
escalator at Holborn.

TfL's stats would claim otherwise.

I'm sure they would, but I wouldn't believe them. The *average* speed of
everyone going up no doubt will be faster. But for those of us who arn't
bone idle lard butts it'll almost certainly be slower. Holborn is a long
escalator and there's no way the wait at the bottom can ever be long enough
to make up for standing all the way to the top.

How much delay do you think is involved (by having the stand)? When it's
busy the walking lane doesn't necessary flow very well, and I'd expect
we are talking about getting a couple of dozen steps advantage. So
around ten seconds. It's easily possible to queue that long at the
bottom of a crowded escalator (as I did at Baker Street Jubilee Line to
Met escalator last week in the evening rush hour).
--
Roland Perry

New Holborn standing escalator trial
 

In article ,
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 16:40:44 on Thu, 10 Mar
2016, d remarked:
Sorry matey, but it depends who you're talking about. People who would have
stood anyway will probably get up quicker. Those who would have walked up will
inevitably be delayed.

Sadly not, because they would have been delayed in the bigger queue for
the escalator.

Not as much as they'll have been delayed standing all the way up the long
escalator at Holborn.

TfL's stats would claim otherwise.

Do you have a copy or a link to them? My suspcion is that the press office
has confused latency and throughput.

--
Mike Bristow

New Holborn standing escalator trial
 

On Fri, 11 Mar 2016 11:00:42 +0000
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 10:43:02 on Fri, 11 Mar
2016, d remarked:
Not as much as they'll have been delayed standing all the way up the long
escalator at Holborn.

TfL's stats would claim otherwise.

I'm sure they would, but I wouldn't believe them. The *average* speed of
everyone going up no doubt will be faster. But for those of us who arn't
bone idle lard butts it'll almost certainly be slower. Holborn is a long
escalator and there's no way the wait at the bottom can ever be long enough
to make up for standing all the way to the top.

How much delay do you think is involved (by having the stand)? When it's

IIRC it takes probably 45 secs to a minute to get to the top by standing at
Holborn compared to maybe 20 seconds by unimpeded walking on the left.
Perhaps someone who uses the station and is bored one day could measure it
for us :)

busy the walking lane doesn't necessary flow very well, and I'd expect
we are talking about getting a couple of dozen steps advantage. So
around ten seconds. It's easily possible to queue that long at the
bottom of a crowded escalator (as I did at Baker Street Jubilee Line to
Met escalator last week in the evening rush hour).

Ten seconds sounds about right, maybe even a bit longer.

Anyway, I don't blame them for doing this. That station gets very crowded
and they need the throughput. Just saying that for people who normally walk
up it will almost certainly be slower despite what they say. If just for once
they were honest something instead of constant spin they'd get more respect.

--
Spud

New Holborn standing escalator trial
 

wrote in message ...
On Thu, 10 Mar 2016 16:59:13 +0000
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 16:40:44 on Thu, 10 Mar
2016, d remarked:
Sorry matey, but it depends who you're talking about. People who would
have
stood anyway will probably get up quicker. Those who would have walked
up
will
inevitably be delayed.

Sadly not, because they would have been delayed in the bigger queue for
the escalator.

Not as much as they'll have been delayed standing all the way up the long
escalator at Holborn.

TfL's stats would claim otherwise.

I'm sure they would, but I wouldn't believe them. The *average* speed of
everyone going up no doubt will be faster. But for those of us who arn't
bone idle lard butts it'll almost certainly be slower. Holborn is a long
escalator and there's no way the wait at the bottom can ever be long
enough
to make up for standing all the way to the top.

TfL aren't interested in how long it takes *you* to get to the top

or even how much opportunity for exercise it gives you

what they are interested in is, making sure that the crush at the bottom of
the escalator has gone by the time the next train pulls into the platform

tim



--
Spud

New Holborn standing escalator trial
 

On Fri, 11 Mar 2016 12:28:39 -0000
"tim..." wrote:
TfL aren't interested in how long it takes *you* to get to the top

Yes I know. But what irks me is the mendacious spin. "you'll get to the top
quicker". No I won't. Why can't they just for once be honest and say "its
to reduce station crushing, for some people it might be slightly slower"?

Its like the pointless automated announcements of "There is a good service
on all lines" when you're standing on a platform with 500 other people in the
rush hour and the next train is an indicated 5 mins away. Which is in LU
mins. In real minutes that means anything from 5-10.

--
Spud

New Holborn standing escalator trial
 

In message , at 12:28:39 on Fri, 11 Mar
2016, tim... remarked:

TfL aren't interested in how long it takes *you* to get to the top

or even how much opportunity for exercise it gives you

what they are interested in is, making sure that the crush at the
bottom of the escalator has gone by the time the next train pulls into
the platform

Which when I was at Baker St last week (which has a fairly short
escalator) it wasn't [the crush disappearing before the next train
arrived].
--
Roland Perry

New Holborn standing escalator trial
 

In message , at 12:34:49 on Fri, 11 Mar
2016, d remarked:

TfL aren't interested in how long it takes *you* to get to the top

Yes I know. But what irks me is the mendacious spin. "you'll get to the top
quicker". No I won't. Why can't they just for once be honest and say "its
to reduce station crushing, for some people it might be slightly slower"?

If you are starting at the back of the crush for the escalator, you
will. Because the crush will be much smaller.
--
Roland Perry

New Holborn standing escalator trial
 

On Fri, 11 Mar 2016 12:49:58 +0000
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 12:34:49 on Fri, 11 Mar
2016, d remarked:

TfL aren't interested in how long it takes *you* to get to the top

Yes I know. But what irks me is the mendacious spin. "you'll get to the top
quicker". No I won't. Why can't they just for once be honest and say "its
to reduce station crushing, for some people it might be slightly slower"?

If you are starting at the back of the crush for the escalator, you
will. Because the crush will be much smaller.

If you're going to walk up you don't generally wait right at the back.

--
Spud