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e27002 aurora May 8th 16 10:07 AM

Train driver ethnicity
 
On Sun, 8 May 2016 02:38:52 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

http://www.politics.co.uk/news/2016/...nsport-for-lon

Not that Mr Khan is racist!

Martin Edwards[_2_] May 9th 16 06:29 AM

Train driver ethnicity
 
On 5/8/2016 11:07 AM, e27002 aurora wrote:
On Sun, 8 May 2016 02:38:52 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

http://www.politics.co.uk/news/2016/...nsport-for-lon

Not that Mr Khan is racist!

I think his point was that, relative to the numbers of minorities, the
numbers working on public transport are small. As for his being racist,
this is just the usual reactionary self-pity. It's a bit off thread,
but in Birmingham I have never seen a black or brown person on a road crew.

--
Myth, after all, is what we believe naturally. History is what we must
painfully learn and struggle to remember. -Albert Goldman

[email protected] May 9th 16 08:51 AM

Train driver ethnicity
 
On Mon, 09 May 2016 07:29:59 +0100
Martin Edwards wrote:
On 5/8/2016 11:07 AM, e27002 aurora wrote:
On Sun, 8 May 2016 02:38:52 -0700 (PDT), wrote:


http://www.politics.co.uk/news/2016/...o-many-white-m
n-on-transport-for-lon

Not that Mr Khan is racist!

I think his point was that, relative to the numbers of minorities, the
numbers working on public transport are small. As for his being racist,


Seriously? You ever been on a london bus and seen the driver?

this is just the usual reactionary self-pity. It's a bit off thread,
but in Birmingham I have never seen a black or brown person on a road crew.


So what? Perhaps they don't want to do it. Maybe we should press-gang some
into ditch digging and see how well that goes down with this scumbag and his
mates in the race relations industry.

--
Spud


Graeme Wall May 9th 16 09:11 AM

Train driver ethnicity
 
On 09/05/2016 09:51, d wrote:
On Mon, 09 May 2016 07:29:59 +0100
Martin Edwards wrote:
On 5/8/2016 11:07 AM, e27002 aurora wrote:
On Sun, 8 May 2016 02:38:52 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:


http://www.politics.co.uk/news/2016/...o-many-white-m
n-on-transport-for-lon

Not that Mr Khan is racist!

I think his point was that, relative to the numbers of minorities, the
numbers working on public transport are small.


Wasn't he just referring to the make up of the TfL board?


--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.


Offramp May 9th 16 10:21 AM

Train driver ethnicity
 
On Monday, 9 May 2016 10:11:21 UTC+1, Graeme Wall wrote:
On 09/05/2016 09:51, d wrote:
On Mon, 09 May 2016 07:29:59 +0100
Martin Edwards wrote:
On 5/8/2016 11:07 AM, e27002 aurora wrote:
On Sun, 8 May 2016 02:38:52 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:


http://www.politics.co.uk/news/2016/...o-many-white-m
n-on-transport-for-lon

Not that Mr Khan is racist!

I think his point was that, relative to the numbers of minorities, the
numbers working on public transport are small.


Wasn't he just referring to the make up of the TfL board?


Yes he was. He said that there are 16 seats on the board and 13 of them are men. He said that having only three women was bad because it did not reflect the customers' sexual makeup.

[email protected] May 9th 16 10:46 AM

Train driver ethnicity
 
On Mon, 9 May 2016 03:21:26 -0700 (PDT)
Offramp wrote:
On Monday, 9 May 2016 10:11:21 UTC+1, Graeme Wall wrote:
On 09/05/2016 09:51, d wrote:
On Mon, 09 May 2016 07:29:59 +0100
Martin Edwards wrote:
On 5/8/2016 11:07 AM, e27002 aurora wrote:
On Sun, 8 May 2016 02:38:52 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:



http://www.politics.co.uk/news/2016/...o-many-white-m
n-on-transport-for-lon

Not that Mr Khan is racist!

I think his point was that, relative to the numbers of minorities, the
numbers working on public transport are small.


Wasn't he just referring to the make up of the TfL board?


Yes he was. He said that there are 16 seats on the board and 13 of them are
men. He said that having only three women was bad because it did not reflect
the customers' sexual makeup.


Hospital patients are 50/50 men and women but I haven't heard anyone from the
left making a fuss about the small proportion of male nurses or healthcare
assistants.

--
Spud


[email protected] May 9th 16 01:00 PM

Train driver ethnicity
 
On Mon, 09 May 2016 14:19:12 +0200
Steve Hayes wrote:
On Mon, 9 May 2016 08:51:22 +0000 (UTC), d wrote:

On Mon, 09 May 2016 07:29:59 +0100
Martin Edwards wrote:
On 5/8/2016 11:07 AM, e27002 aurora wrote:
On Sun, 8 May 2016 02:38:52 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:


http://www.politics.co.uk/news/2016/...too-many-white

m
n-on-transport-for-lon

Not that Mr Khan is racist!

I think his point was that, relative to the numbers of minorities, the
numbers working on public transport are small. As for his being racist,


Seriously? You ever been on a london bus and seen the driver?


I drove buses in London, though it was a long time ago.

In the garage where I was based (Brixton), about a third were English,
a third Irish and a third West Indian, and when any of those groups
were talking among themselves I couldn't understand a word they said.


You couldn't understand the english ones either? Were they speaking in rhyming
slang or something? :)

--
Spud


Anna Noyd-Dryver May 9th 16 02:37 PM

Train driver ethnicity
 
wrote:
On Mon, 09 May 2016 14:19:12 +0200
Steve Hayes wrote:


I drove buses in London, though it was a long time ago.

In the garage where I was based (Brixton), about a third were English,
a third Irish and a third West Indian, and when any of those groups
were talking among themselves I couldn't understand a word they said.


You couldn't understand the english ones either? Were they speaking in rhyming
slang or something? :)


I am occasionally unable to understand my colleagues when they converse in
Deepest Bristolian...


Anna Noyd-Dryver



Charles Ellson[_2_] May 9th 16 03:53 PM

Train driver ethnicity
 
On Mon, 9 May 2016 14:37:01 -0000 (UTC), Anna Noyd-Dryver
wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 09 May 2016 14:19:12 +0200
Steve Hayes wrote:


I drove buses in London, though it was a long time ago.

In the garage where I was based (Brixton), about a third were English,
a third Irish and a third West Indian, and when any of those groups
were talking among themselves I couldn't understand a word they said.


You couldn't understand the english ones either? Were they speaking in rhyming
slang or something? :)


I am occasionally unable to understand my colleagues when they converse in
Deepest Bristolian...

http://www.hijackbristol.co.uk/board...-brizzle/?wap2

eastender[_5_] May 9th 16 06:41 PM

Train driver ethnicity
 
On 2016-05-09 14:27:29 +0000, Paul Corfield said:

On Mon, 9 May 2016 10:11:21 +0100, Graeme Wall
wrote:

On 09/05/2016 09:51, d wrote:
On Mon, 09 May 2016 07:29:59 +0100
Martin Edwards wrote:
On 5/8/2016 11:07 AM, e27002 aurora wrote:
On Sun, 8 May 2016 02:38:52 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:


http://www.politics.co.uk/news/2016/...o-many-white-m
n-on-transport-for-lon

Not that Mr Khan is racist!

I think his point was that, relative to the numbers of minorities, the
numbers working on public transport are small.


Wasn't he just referring to the make up of the TfL board?


Yes but why let facts get in the way of irrational, unfounded
"debate"?


Indeed. There's one school of thought that racist trolls should be
oppsed at every turn, another that it's best to ignore them. I tend to
do both depending on my blood pressure but should know that the latter
is the best way home.


Mizter T May 9th 16 09:44 PM

Train driver ethnicity
 

On 09/05/2016 19:41, eastender wrote:

On 2016-05-09 14:27:29 +0000, Paul Corfield said:
[...]
Wasn't he just referring to the make up of the TfL board?


Yes but why let facts get in the way of irrational, unfounded
"debate"?


Indeed. There's one school of thought that racist trolls should be
oppsed at every turn, another that it's best to ignore them. I tend to
do both depending on my blood pressure but should know that the latter
is the best way home.



It's the internet, and like I said elsewhere this (utl) is now an old
and very dusty crevice thereof. Much (but not all) political debate on
the internet is moronic and based on who can shout loudest, at least
according to those who seemingly enjoy shouting loud. (I say seemingly
enjoy because I suspect many are pretty joyless people.)

That said, we should bear in mind that 'Spud', Adrian Hudson and others
of their ilk are now deeply marginalised and downtrodden people. Apparently.

Martin Edwards[_2_] May 10th 16 06:38 AM

Train driver ethnicity
 
On 5/9/2016 9:51 AM, d wrote:
On Mon, 09 May 2016 07:29:59 +0100
Martin Edwards wrote:
On 5/8/2016 11:07 AM, e27002 aurora wrote:
On Sun, 8 May 2016 02:38:52 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:


http://www.politics.co.uk/news/2016/...o-many-white-m
n-on-transport-for-lon

Not that Mr Khan is racist!

I think his point was that, relative to the numbers of minorities, the
numbers working on public transport are small. As for his being racist,


Seriously? You ever been on a london bus and seen the driver?

this is just the usual reactionary self-pity. It's a bit off thread,
but in Birmingham I have never seen a black or brown person on a road crew.


So what? Perhaps they don't want to do it. Maybe we should press-gang some
into ditch digging and see how well that goes down with this scumbag and his
mates in the race relations industry.

--
Spud

Apart from that, how was your goat hunt?

--
Myth, after all, is what we believe naturally. History is what we must
painfully learn and struggle to remember. -Albert Goldman

Martin Edwards[_2_] May 10th 16 06:39 AM

Train driver ethnicity
 
On 5/9/2016 3:27 PM, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Mon, 9 May 2016 10:11:21 +0100, Graeme Wall
wrote:

On 09/05/2016 09:51, d wrote:
On Mon, 09 May 2016 07:29:59 +0100
Martin Edwards wrote:
On 5/8/2016 11:07 AM, e27002 aurora wrote:
On Sun, 8 May 2016 02:38:52 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:


http://www.politics.co.uk/news/2016/...o-many-white-m
n-on-transport-for-lon

Not that Mr Khan is racist!

I think his point was that, relative to the numbers of minorities, the
numbers working on public transport are small.


Wasn't he just referring to the make up of the TfL board?


Yes but why let facts get in the way of irrational, unfounded
"debate"?

Quite.

--
Myth, after all, is what we believe naturally. History is what we must
painfully learn and struggle to remember. -Albert Goldman

[email protected] May 10th 16 09:58 AM

Train driver ethnicity
 
On Mon, 9 May 2016 19:41:10 +0100
eastender wrote:
Indeed. There's one school of thought that racist trolls should be
oppsed at every turn, another that it's best to ignore them. I tend to
do both depending on my blood pressure but should know that the latter
is the best way home.


Always best not to respond if you don't have anything approaching a half
decent counter argument. Or just resort to the name calling then take your ball
and run off home

--
Spud


[email protected] May 10th 16 10:02 AM

Train driver ethnicity
 
On Mon, 9 May 2016 22:44:11 +0100
Mizter T wrote:
That said, we should bear in mind that 'Spud', Adrian Hudson and others
of their ilk are now deeply marginalised and downtrodden people. Apparently.


Well you should know all about that Mr RMT supporter. Arn't we constantly
reminded how hard done by the poor little darlings are slaving away pushing
a button once a minute for 50K?

Get over yourself pal.

--
Spud


Mizter T May 10th 16 04:43 PM

Train driver ethnicity
 

On 10/05/2016 11:02, d wrote:

On Mon, 9 May 2016 22:44:11 +0100
Mizter T wrote:
That said, we should bear in mind that 'Spud', Adrian Hudson and others
of their ilk are now deeply marginalised and downtrodden people. Apparently.


Well you should know all about that Mr RMT supporter. Arn't we constantly
reminded how hard done by the poor little darlings are slaving away pushing
a button once a minute for 50K?


Not by me you're not. And good luck in pointing out all those instances
of me being some sort of RMT cheerleader.

Offramp May 10th 16 05:49 PM

Train driver ethnicity
 
There are no white Vic Line train drivers.

Ding Bat May 11th 16 12:40 PM

Train driver ethnicity
 
On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 8:10:33 PM UTC+5:30, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
wrote:
On Mon, 09 May 2016 14:19:12 +0200
Steve Hayes wrote:


I drove buses in London, though it was a long time ago.

In the garage where I was based (Brixton), about a third were English,
a third Irish and a third West Indian, and when any of those groups
were talking among themselves I couldn't understand a word they said.


You couldn't understand the english ones either? Were they speaking in rhyming
slang or something? :)


I am occasionally unable to understand my colleagues when they converse in
Deepest Bristolian...

I've heard that Bristol can be pronounced Bristow. Is there a word Bristowian?



Water musician May 11th 16 01:23 PM

Train driver ethnicity
 
On 10 May 2016, d wrote
(in article ):

On Mon, 9 May 2016 22:44:11 +0100
Mizter T wrote:
That said, we should bear in mind that 'Spud', Adrian Hudson and others
of their ilk are now deeply marginalised and downtrodden people.

Apparently.

Well you should know all about that Mr RMT supporter. Arn't we constantly
reminded how hard done by the poor little darlings are slaving away pushing
a button once a minute for 50K?

Get over yourself pal.


If you think “pushing a button once a minute” is all that’s involved in
being a train driver, perhaps we should take pity on your ignorance – and
either ignore you or perhaps take a more Maoist approach and send you for
some “re-education”.

Alternatively, most good Usenet newsreaders have easy-to-use KILL functions.
Sadly, they simply modify the behaviour of local software rather than that of
the miscreant.

The utl newsgroup is intended as a forum for intelligent discussion, with
perhaps a dash of humour. Nasty folk should find somewhere else to go.





[email protected] May 11th 16 02:58 PM

Train driver ethnicity
 
In article ,
(Ding Bat) wrote:

On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 8:10:33 PM UTC+5:30, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
wrote:
On Mon, 09 May 2016 14:19:12 +0200
Steve Hayes wrote:


I drove buses in London, though it was a long time ago.

In the garage where I was based (Brixton), about a third were
English, a third Irish and a third West Indian, and when any of those
groups were talking among themselves I couldn't understand a word
they said.

You couldn't understand the english ones either? Were
they speaking in rhyming slang or something? :)


I am occasionally unable to understand my colleagues when they converse
in Deepest Bristolian...

I've heard that Bristol can be pronounced Bristow. Is there a word
Bristowian?


I thought the alternative pronunciation was Bristle.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

[email protected] May 11th 16 03:00 PM

Train driver ethnicity
 
On Wed, 11 May 2016 14:23:58 +0100
Water musician wrote:
If you think “pushing a button once a minute” is all that’s involved in
being a train driver, perhaps we should take pity on your ignorance – and
either ignore you or perhaps take a more Maoist approach and send you for
some “re-education”.


Odd then how the northern line driver on the recent C5 documentary was
happily chatting away to the camera crew in the cab while the train drove
itself then. I guess we missed the complex part of the job where she pressed
the ON button and did some basic checks.

But feel free to tell us all about the complex bits that these documentaries
always miss.

Alternatively, most good Usenet newsreaders have easy-to-use KILL functions.
Sadly, they simply modify the behaviour of local software rather than that of
the miscreant.


Oh dear. How thoughtless of them.

--
Spud


e27002 aurora May 11th 16 05:29 PM

Train driver ethnicity
 
On Mon, 9 May 2016 22:44:11 +0100, Mizter T
wrote:


On 09/05/2016 19:41, eastender wrote:

On 2016-05-09 14:27:29 +0000, Paul Corfield said:
[...]
Wasn't he just referring to the make up of the TfL board?

Yes but why let facts get in the way of irrational, unfounded
"debate"?


Indeed. There's one school of thought that racist trolls should be
oppsed at every turn, another that it's best to ignore them. I tend to
do both depending on my blood pressure but should know that the latter
is the best way home.



It's the internet, and like I said elsewhere this (utl) is now an old
and very dusty crevice thereof. Much (but not all) political debate on
the internet is moronic and based on who can shout loudest, at least
according to those who seemingly enjoy shouting loud. (I say seemingly
enjoy because I suspect many are pretty joyless people.)

That said, we should bear in mind that 'Spud', Adrian Hudson and others
of their ilk are now deeply marginalised and downtrodden people. Apparently.


Your tacit endorsement of "eastenders" accusation of racism, on my
part, is noted. In this regard you a
1. Incorrect. Anyone who knows me would find the accusation truly
laughable.
2. Discourteous. I thought you were better than THAT.
3. Hypocritical. You seem to have no problem with Mr. Khan's intended
tokenism with regard to the TfL board. This is racism plain and
simple. The board should consist of those candidates best suited to
serve on it, regardless of their complexion or other features.

Racism is racism regardless of whether it is old style segregation, or
modern day quotas. One either believes "All men are created equal, or
one does not".


Basil Jet[_4_] May 12th 16 05:32 AM

Train driver ethnicity
 
On 2016\05\11 15:58, wrote:
In article ,
(Ding Bat) wrote:

I've heard that Bristol can be pronounced Bristow. Is there a word
Bristowian?


I thought the alternative pronunciation was Bristle.


Brizzle, I believe!

[email protected] May 12th 16 12:47 PM

Train driver ethnicity
 
In article , (Basil Jet)
wrote:

On 2016\05\11 15:58,
wrote:
In article ,
(Ding Bat) wrote:

I've heard that Bristol can be pronounced Bristow. Is there a word
Bristowian?


I thought the alternative pronunciation was Bristle.


Brizzle, I believe!


Prolly. Same to me.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Basil Jet[_4_] May 27th 16 01:42 AM

Train driver ethnicity
 
On 2016\05\26 19:31, Steve Fitzgerald wrote:
In message ,
Offramp writes

There are no white Vic Line train drivers.


Rubbish. I have 2 friends on the Vic who are very much white.


Well, they don't have much opportunity to get a tan!

Bill Borland May 27th 16 07:02 PM

Train driver ethnicity
 
In article , Steve Fitzgerald
] writes
In message ,
Offramp writes

There are no white Vic Line train drivers.


Rubbish. I have 2 friends on the Vic who are very much white.


Oh dear, Steve, that was a JOKE - there are no black, brown, yellow or
rainbow-coloured "drivers" on that line either.

As a matter of interest, what do TfL call the bloke who sits at the
sharp end doing damn-all?
--
Bill Borland


Recliner[_3_] May 27th 16 07:20 PM

Train driver ethnicity
 
Bill Borland wrote:
In article , Steve Fitzgerald
] writes
In message ,
Offramp writes

There are no white Vic Line train drivers.


Rubbish. I have 2 friends on the Vic who are very much white.


Oh dear, Steve, that was a JOKE - there are no black, brown, yellow or
rainbow-coloured "drivers" on that line either.

As a matter of interest, what do TfL call the bloke who sits at the
sharp end doing damn-all?


An operator, I thought.


Basil Jet[_4_] May 28th 16 02:01 AM

Train driver ethnicity
 
On 2016\05\27 20:02, Bill Borland wrote:
In article , Steve Fitzgerald
] writes
In message ,
Offramp writes

There are no white Vic Line train drivers.


Rubbish. I have 2 friends on the Vic who are very much white.


Oh dear, Steve, that was a JOKE - there are no black, brown, yellow or
rainbow-coloured "drivers" on that line either.

As a matter of interest, what do TfL call the bloke who sits at the
sharp end doing damn-all?


Sadiq Khan?

[email protected] June 4th 16 04:24 PM

Train driver ethnicity
 
On 26.05.16 19:31, Steve Fitzgerald wrote:
In message ,
Offramp writes

There are no white Vic Line train drivers.


Who the hell cares?!

All I care about is that the individual at the helm is has the proper
qualification and licencing to safely operate the train, and can pass
regular testing.




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