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Sadiq's proposed new anti-pollution measures
On Sat, 14 May 2016 13:09:28 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote: Will TfL in future be providing tube trains with enough luggage space for the likes of her to termly-commute into Z2 where most of her fellow students live, from some kiss-and-ride railhead outside the North Circular? I've had no problems traveling on the Victoria and Picadilly plus a bus with two suitcases, a large shoulder bag and a backpack. -- jhk |
Sadiq's proposed new anti-pollution measures
On 14/05/2016 14:24, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 14:02:01 on Sat, 14 May 2016, tim... remarked: The TfL site is astonishingly opaque regarding what cars are allowed or not. They can't even be bothered to install a query based on numberplate. It appears to say that Euro 6 diesel cars must be less than 5years old, but doesn't mention any of the former Euro ratings. NO What it is saying is that vehicles of this age are guaranteed to be Euro 6 compliant (because that is the date that manufactures were required to meet E6). Older vehicles may be compliant if their particular model met Euro 6 standards before the required date. Euro 5(D) cars will never be compliant whatever their age Like I said, astonishingly opaque. My V5 doesn't say what Euro-foo the car is, and TfL can't be bothered to help. Wonkypedia doesn't say either. After a lot of digging it appears to be Euro 4 (diesel). They do say - they say if it isn't on your V5 then you need to take the year of manufacture into account and gives the relevant years for the relevant cars. It says that some vehicles may have been early adopters of the standard too, which is the only level of opaqueness really. |
Sadiq's proposed new anti-pollution measures
In message , at 14:17:06 on
Sat, 14 May 2016, Recliner remarked: A lot of quite new diesels will suffer a big fall in resale value if they're effectively no longer usable in London. A windfall for those of us outside London. The only times I drive inside the North Circular is when playing Taxi-Dad for my daughter who is coming to the end of her studies at UCL in a couple of weeks. Will TfL in future be providing tube trains with enough luggage space for the likes of her to termly-commute into Z2 where most of her fellow students live, from some kiss-and-ride railhead outside the North Circular? No, you'll still be welcome to drive into the zone, but will have to pay up, just as you would to cross a toll bridge. Even on Sundays when the congestion charge doesn't apply? The aim isn't to ban dirty vehicles (yet), but to nudge owners of older vehicles into replacing them. But my current vehicle is precisely one that legislation, rather than engineering, decreed I should buy when the previous one hit various artificial limits. There's talk of a diesel scrappage scheme to further encourage this switch. Euro n-1 hopefully. Diesels are still on track to save the planet from peak oil. -- Roland Perry |
Sadiq's proposed new anti-pollution measures
In message , at 15:26:08 on
Sat, 14 May 2016, Jarle Hammen Knudsen remarked: Will TfL in future be providing tube trains with enough luggage space for the likes of her to termly-commute into Z2 where most of her fellow students live, from some kiss-and-ride railhead outside the North Circular? I've had no problems traveling on the Victoria and Picadilly plus a bus with two suitcases, a large shoulder bag and a backpack. That's about a third of what's required. -- Roland Perry |
Sadiq's proposed new anti-pollution measures
In message , at 14:36:49 on Sat, 14 May
2016, Someone Somewhere remarked: The TfL site is astonishingly opaque regarding what cars are allowed or not. They can't even be bothered to install a query based on numberplate. It appears to say that Euro 6 diesel cars must be less than 5years old, but doesn't mention any of the former Euro ratings. NO What it is saying is that vehicles of this age are guaranteed to be Euro 6 compliant (because that is the date that manufactures were required to meet E6). Older vehicles may be compliant if their particular model met Euro 6 standards before the required date. Euro 5(D) cars will never be compliant whatever their age Like I said, astonishingly opaque. My V5 doesn't say what Euro-foo the car is, and TfL can't be bothered to help. Wonkypedia doesn't say either. After a lot of digging it appears to be Euro 4 (diesel). They do say - they say if it isn't on your V5 then you need to take the year of manufacture into account and gives the relevant years for the relevant cars. No, because they don't have a way for me to discover what Euro-foo my vehicle is, and even when I jump through numerous external hoops, fail to say what the implications are. If the answer is "not allowed inside the North Circular" the least they can do is tell me. But how will they police it - congestion zone cameras twice as far out as now - sounds like a trojan horse for congestion charges inside the "circulars". -- Roland Perry |
Sadiq's proposed new anti-pollution measures
In message , at 14:14:46 on
Sat, 14 May 2016, Recliner remarked: It appears to say that Euro 6 diesel cars must be less than 5years old, but doesn't mention any of the former Euro ratings. They won't be allowed in free at all. What they mean is that when the rule comes in, only diesels under five years old will be given free admission, and that was when the Euro 6 standard became mandatory. Are they getting a kick-back from manufacturers of compliant cars? -- Roland Perry |
Sadiq's proposed new anti-pollution measures
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 14:17:06 on Sat, 14 May 2016, Recliner remarked: A lot of quite new diesels will suffer a big fall in resale value if they're effectively no longer usable in London. A windfall for those of us outside London. The only times I drive inside the North Circular is when playing Taxi-Dad for my daughter who is coming to the end of her studies at UCL in a couple of weeks. Will TfL in future be providing tube trains with enough luggage space for the likes of her to termly-commute into Z2 where most of her fellow students live, from some kiss-and-ride railhead outside the North Circular? No, you'll still be welcome to drive into the zone, but will have to pay up, just as you would to cross a toll bridge. Even on Sundays when the congestion charge doesn't apply? Yes, 24 hours a day. The aim isn't to ban dirty vehicles (yet), but to nudge owners of older vehicles into replacing them. But my current vehicle is precisely one that legislation, rather than engineering, decreed I should buy when the previous one hit various artificial limits. Yup. We're now much more aware of the non-CO2 pollution from diesels. There's talk of a diesel scrappage scheme to further encourage this switch. Euro n-1 hopefully. Diesels are still on track to save the planet from peak oil. Peak oil? That's a quaint old notion. We'll all be using electric or hydrogen powered vehicles for clean air/global warming reasons long before peak oil. |
Sadiq's proposed new anti-pollution measures
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 14:36:49 on Sat, 14 May 2016, Someone Somewhere remarked: The TfL site is astonishingly opaque regarding what cars are allowed or not. They can't even be bothered to install a query based on numberplate. It appears to say that Euro 6 diesel cars must be less than 5years old, but doesn't mention any of the former Euro ratings. NO What it is saying is that vehicles of this age are guaranteed to be Euro 6 compliant (because that is the date that manufactures were required to meet E6). Older vehicles may be compliant if their particular model met Euro 6 standards before the required date. Euro 5(D) cars will never be compliant whatever their age Like I said, astonishingly opaque. My V5 doesn't say what Euro-foo the car is, and TfL can't be bothered to help. Wonkypedia doesn't say either. After a lot of digging it appears to be Euro 4 (diesel). They do say - they say if it isn't on your V5 then you need to take the year of manufacture into account and gives the relevant years for the relevant cars. No, because they don't have a way for me to discover what Euro-foo my vehicle is, and even when I jump through numerous external hoops, fail to say what the implications are. If the answer is "not allowed inside the North Circular" the least they can do is tell me. But how will they police it - congestion zone cameras twice as far out as now - sounds like a trojan horse for congestion charges inside the "circulars". Allowed inside the North Circular, but you will have to pay the charge. |
Sadiq's proposed new anti-pollution measures
On 2016-05-14 15:54:34 +0000, Recliner said:
Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 14:36:49 on Sat, 14 May 2016, Someone Somewhere remarked: The TfL site is astonishingly opaque regarding what cars are allowed or not. They can't even be bothered to install a query based on numberplate. It appears to say that Euro 6 diesel cars must be less than 5years old, but doesn't mention any of the former Euro ratings. NO What it is saying is that vehicles of this age are guaranteed to be Euro 6 compliant (because that is the date that manufactures were required to meet E6). Older vehicles may be compliant if their particular model met Euro 6 standards before the required date. Euro 5(D) cars will never be compliant whatever their age Like I said, astonishingly opaque. My V5 doesn't say what Euro-foo the car is, and TfL can't be bothered to help. Wonkypedia doesn't say either. After a lot of digging it appears to be Euro 4 (diesel). They do say - they say if it isn't on your V5 then you need to take the year of manufacture into account and gives the relevant years for the relevant cars. No, because they don't have a way for me to discover what Euro-foo my vehicle is, and even when I jump through numerous external hoops, fail to say what the implications are. If the answer is "not allowed inside the North Circular" the least they can do is tell me. But how will they police it - congestion zone cameras twice as far out as now - sounds like a trojan horse for congestion charges inside the "circulars". Allowed inside the North Circular, but you will have to pay the charge. What if you live in the zone - I presume you can't even drive out of it without paying... |
Sadiq's proposed new anti-pollution measures
eastender wrote:
On 2016-05-14 15:54:34 +0000, Recliner said: Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 14:36:49 on Sat, 14 May 2016, Someone Somewhere remarked: The TfL site is astonishingly opaque regarding what cars are allowed or not. They can't even be bothered to install a query based on numberplate. It appears to say that Euro 6 diesel cars must be less than 5years old, but doesn't mention any of the former Euro ratings. NO What it is saying is that vehicles of this age are guaranteed to be Euro 6 compliant (because that is the date that manufactures were required to meet E6). Older vehicles may be compliant if their particular model met Euro 6 standards before the required date. Euro 5(D) cars will never be compliant whatever their age Like I said, astonishingly opaque. My V5 doesn't say what Euro-foo the car is, and TfL can't be bothered to help. Wonkypedia doesn't say either. After a lot of digging it appears to be Euro 4 (diesel). They do say - they say if it isn't on your V5 then you need to take the year of manufacture into account and gives the relevant years for the relevant cars. No, because they don't have a way for me to discover what Euro-foo my vehicle is, and even when I jump through numerous external hoops, fail to say what the implications are. If the answer is "not allowed inside the North Circular" the least they can do is tell me. But how will they police it - congestion zone cameras twice as far out as now - sounds like a trojan horse for congestion charges inside the "circulars". Allowed inside the North Circular, but you will have to pay the charge. What if you live in the zone - I presume you can't even drive out of it without paying... It's just a consultation at the moment, isn't it? That's bound to be one of the big questions to be settled. It was less of an issue when only the CC zone was affected, with relatively few residents, but with a much expanded zone, it's an important issue that will affect many thousands of people. There may have to be some sort of temporary grandfather rights if you register an older car in advance. |
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