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Recliner[_3_] May 27th 16 02:58 PM

GOBLIN 172s: where do they go during their hols?
 
As I'm sure most people know, the GOBLIN line is soon to be electrified,
and there will be partial and complete closures starting from tomorrow. It
will be completely closed from 24 Sep to Feb 2017. It will then reopen,
presumably still using the current DMUs, until the electrification is
complete a few months later, and the new 4-car Aventras arrive in early
2018.

http://www.railtechnologymagazine.co...lectrification

The line has eight 2-car 172s that are modern and in good condition, so
they're in no need of renovation. I wonder if they'll just go into storage
during the complete closure, or will they be loaned to any other operator
that needs extra capacity, even if only for a few months?

And once they've been replaced by the new Aventras, has their future home
been decided?

For anyone who's interested, here's a few pics I took on the line earlier
this week:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/reclin...57668732378626


Basil Jet[_4_] May 27th 16 05:35 PM

GOBLIN 172s: where do they go during their hols?
 
On 2016\05\27 15:58, Recliner wrote:
As I'm sure most people know, the GOBLIN line is soon to be electrified,
and there will be partial and complete closures starting from tomorrow.


No, another week yet.


Recliner[_3_] May 27th 16 06:44 PM

GOBLIN 172s: where do they go during their hols?
 
Basil Jet wrote:
On 2016\05\27 15:58, Recliner wrote:
As I'm sure most people know, the GOBLIN line is soon to be electrified,
and there will be partial and complete closures starting from tomorrow.


No, another week yet.


No, it's closed for the whole three-day Bank holiday weekend starting
tomorrow, as part of the project.

It then reopens briefly before closing again for the following weekend,
after which it only partly reopens till September, after which it closes
fully for for 4-5 months. Even then, there's another few months of work
before the wires are up and ready.


David C[_2_] May 27th 16 09:55 PM

GOBLIN 172s: where do they go during their hols?
 
On Fri, 27 May 2016 14:58:37 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:

As I'm sure most people know, the GOBLIN line is soon to be electrified,
and there will be partial and complete closures starting from tomorrow. It
will be completely closed from 24 Sep to Feb 2017. It will then reopen,
presumably still using the current DMUs, until the electrification is
complete a few months later, and the new 4-car Aventras arrive in early
2018.

http://www.railtechnologymagazine.co...lectrification

The line has eight 2-car 172s that are modern and in good condition, so
they're in no need of renovation. I wonder if they'll just go into storage
during the complete closure, or will they be loaned to any other operator
that needs extra capacity, even if only for a few months?

And once they've been replaced by the new Aventras, has their future home
been decided?

For anyone who's interested, here's a few pics I took on the line earlier
this week:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/reclin...57668732378626



Chiltern would be the "obvious choice", the LOROL units were ordered
by Adrian Shooter & have a similar specification to the Chiltern 172's

DC.

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Recliner[_3_] May 27th 16 10:12 PM

GOBLIN 172s: where do they go during their hols?
 
David C wrote:
On Fri, 27 May 2016 14:58:37 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:

As I'm sure most people know, the GOBLIN line is soon to be electrified,
and there will be partial and complete closures starting from tomorrow. It
will be completely closed from 24 Sep to Feb 2017. It will then reopen,
presumably still using the current DMUs, until the electrification is
complete a few months later, and the new 4-car Aventras arrive in early
2018.

http://www.railtechnologymagazine.co...lectrification

The line has eight 2-car 172s that are modern and in good condition, so
they're in no need of renovation. I wonder if they'll just go into storage
during the complete closure, or will they be loaned to any other operator
that needs extra capacity, even if only for a few months?

And once they've been replaced by the new Aventras, has their future home
been decided?

For anyone who's interested, here's a few pics I took on the line earlier
this week:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/reclin...57668732378626



Chiltern would be the "obvious choice", the LOROL units were ordered
by Adrian Shooter & have a similar specification to the Chiltern 172's


Yes, that's what I was thinking. I was wondering whose decision it is?

Charles Ellson[_2_] May 27th 16 11:12 PM

GOBLIN 172s: where do they go during their hols?
 
On Fri, 27 May 2016 22:12:54 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:

David C wrote:
On Fri, 27 May 2016 14:58:37 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:

As I'm sure most people know, the GOBLIN line is soon to be electrified,
and there will be partial and complete closures starting from tomorrow. It
will be completely closed from 24 Sep to Feb 2017. It will then reopen,
presumably still using the current DMUs, until the electrification is
complete a few months later, and the new 4-car Aventras arrive in early
2018.

http://www.railtechnologymagazine.co...lectrification

The line has eight 2-car 172s that are modern and in good condition, so
they're in no need of renovation. I wonder if they'll just go into storage
during the complete closure, or will they be loaned to any other operator
that needs extra capacity, even if only for a few months?

And once they've been replaced by the new Aventras, has their future home
been decided?

For anyone who's interested, here's a few pics I took on the line earlier
this week:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/reclin...57668732378626



Chiltern would be the "obvious choice", the LOROL units were ordered
by Adrian Shooter & have a similar specification to the Chiltern 172's


Yes, that's what I was thinking. I was wondering whose decision it is?

Is there any hint of Chiltern needing some extra stock anywhere ?
Depending on how the work is arranged, there could be scope for 172s
substituting for the buses if suitable sections of GOBLIN were
complete save for switching on the juice.

Recliner[_3_] May 27th 16 11:24 PM

GOBLIN 172s: where do they go during their hols?
 
Charles Ellson wrote:
On Fri, 27 May 2016 22:12:54 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:

David C wrote:
On Fri, 27 May 2016 14:58:37 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:

As I'm sure most people know, the GOBLIN line is soon to be electrified,
and there will be partial and complete closures starting from tomorrow. It
will be completely closed from 24 Sep to Feb 2017. It will then reopen,
presumably still using the current DMUs, until the electrification is
complete a few months later, and the new 4-car Aventras arrive in early
2018.

http://www.railtechnologymagazine.co...lectrification

The line has eight 2-car 172s that are modern and in good condition, so
they're in no need of renovation. I wonder if they'll just go into storage
during the complete closure, or will they be loaned to any other operator
that needs extra capacity, even if only for a few months?

And once they've been replaced by the new Aventras, has their future home
been decided?

For anyone who's interested, here's a few pics I took on the line earlier
this week:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/reclin...57668732378626


Chiltern would be the "obvious choice", the LOROL units were ordered
by Adrian Shooter & have a similar specification to the Chiltern 172's


Yes, that's what I was thinking. I was wondering whose decision it is?

Is there any hint of Chiltern needing some extra stock anywhere ?
Depending on how the work is arranged, there could be scope for 172s
substituting for the buses if suitable sections of GOBLIN were
complete save for switching on the juice.


That's the situation when the line reopens in February. The work won't be
finished and the lines energised for at least another four months, during
which time I assume the 172s will provide the service. They won't be
available to anyone else till the Aventras enter service in 2018. So the
DMUs will be running under the wires for at least six months.


Charles Ellson[_2_] May 28th 16 12:16 AM

GOBLIN 172s: where do they go during their hols?
 
On Fri, 27 May 2016 23:24:53 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:

Charles Ellson wrote:
On Fri, 27 May 2016 22:12:54 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:

David C wrote:
On Fri, 27 May 2016 14:58:37 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:

As I'm sure most people know, the GOBLIN line is soon to be electrified,
and there will be partial and complete closures starting from tomorrow. It
will be completely closed from 24 Sep to Feb 2017. It will then reopen,
presumably still using the current DMUs, until the electrification is
complete a few months later, and the new 4-car Aventras arrive in early
2018.

http://www.railtechnologymagazine.co...lectrification

The line has eight 2-car 172s that are modern and in good condition, so
they're in no need of renovation. I wonder if they'll just go into storage
during the complete closure, or will they be loaned to any other operator
that needs extra capacity, even if only for a few months?

And once they've been replaced by the new Aventras, has their future home
been decided?

For anyone who's interested, here's a few pics I took on the line earlier
this week:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/reclin...57668732378626


Chiltern would be the "obvious choice", the LOROL units were ordered
by Adrian Shooter & have a similar specification to the Chiltern 172's

Yes, that's what I was thinking. I was wondering whose decision it is?

Is there any hint of Chiltern needing some extra stock anywhere ?
Depending on how the work is arranged, there could be scope for 172s
substituting for the buses if suitable sections of GOBLIN were
complete save for switching on the juice.


That's the situation when the line reopens in February. The work won't be
finished and the lines energised for at least another four months, during
which time I assume the 172s will provide the service. They won't be
available to anyone else till the Aventras enter service in 2018. So the
DMUs will be running under the wires for at least six months.

That doesn't seem to leave long enough for any useful hiring out in
the direction of Chiltern unless e.g. there's something big at Wembley
or somewhere else (Stratford ?) they could be used for. If there is
coincidence with work somewhere else then they would at least be
available for e.g. diversions over alternative non-electrified routes.

Recliner[_3_] May 28th 16 04:52 AM

GOBLIN 172s: where do they go during their hols?
 
Charles Ellson wrote:
On Fri, 27 May 2016 23:24:53 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:

Charles Ellson wrote:
On Fri, 27 May 2016 22:12:54 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:

David C wrote:
On Fri, 27 May 2016 14:58:37 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:

As I'm sure most people know, the GOBLIN line is soon to be electrified,
and there will be partial and complete closures starting from tomorrow. It
will be completely closed from 24 Sep to Feb 2017. It will then reopen,
presumably still using the current DMUs, until the electrification is
complete a few months later, and the new 4-car Aventras arrive in early
2018.

http://www.railtechnologymagazine.co...lectrification

The line has eight 2-car 172s that are modern and in good condition, so
they're in no need of renovation. I wonder if they'll just go into storage
during the complete closure, or will they be loaned to any other operator
that needs extra capacity, even if only for a few months?

And once they've been replaced by the new Aventras, has their future home
been decided?

For anyone who's interested, here's a few pics I took on the line earlier
this week:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/reclin...57668732378626


Chiltern would be the "obvious choice", the LOROL units were ordered
by Adrian Shooter & have a similar specification to the Chiltern 172's

Yes, that's what I was thinking. I was wondering whose decision it is?

Is there any hint of Chiltern needing some extra stock anywhere ?
Depending on how the work is arranged, there could be scope for 172s
substituting for the buses if suitable sections of GOBLIN were
complete save for switching on the juice.


That's the situation when the line reopens in February. The work won't be
finished and the lines energised for at least another four months, during
which time I assume the 172s will provide the service. They won't be
available to anyone else till the Aventras enter service in 2018. So the
DMUs will be running under the wires for at least six months.

That doesn't seem to leave long enough for any useful hiring out in
the direction of Chiltern unless e.g. there's something big at Wembley
or somewhere else (Stratford ?) they could be used for. If there is
coincidence with work somewhere else then they would at least be
available for e.g. diversions over alternative non-electrified routes.


I suppose one possibility is if Chiltern needs to overhaul any of its 2-car
Turbos, it could borrow one or more of the 172s as cover over the next six
months while LO needs fewer, or none, of its fleet.


Theo[_2_] May 28th 16 12:03 PM

GOBLIN 172s: where do they go during their hols?
 
In uk.railway Charles Ellson wrote:
On Fri, 27 May 2016 23:24:53 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:

That doesn't seem to leave long enough for any useful hiring out in
the direction of Chiltern unless e.g. there's something big at Wembley
or somewhere else (Stratford ?) they could be used for. If there is
coincidence with work somewhere else then they would at least be
available for e.g. diversions over alternative non-electrified routes.


Greater Anglia seem to be sporadically short of DMUs, dragging out the LHCS
occasionally when they get desperate. I don't know if that's close enough
that they can still live at Willesden for maintenance.

However GA don't like paying for stock - claiming they didn't need the 317s
required by the previous operator on their patch. So unless they're going
really cheap...

Theo

Anna Noyd-Dryver May 28th 16 03:15 PM

GOBLIN 172s: where do they go during their hols?
 
Charles Ellson wrote:
On Fri, 27 May 2016 23:24:53 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:

Charles Ellson wrote:
On Fri, 27 May 2016 22:12:54 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:

David C wrote:
On Fri, 27 May 2016 14:58:37 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:

As I'm sure most people know, the GOBLIN line is soon to be electrified,
and there will be partial and complete closures starting from tomorrow. It
will be completely closed from 24 Sep to Feb 2017. It will then reopen,
presumably still using the current DMUs, until the electrification is
complete a few months later, and the new 4-car Aventras arrive in early
2018.

http://www.railtechnologymagazine.co...lectrification

The line has eight 2-car 172s that are modern and in good condition, so
they're in no need of renovation. I wonder if they'll just go into storage
during the complete closure, or will they be loaned to any other operator
that needs extra capacity, even if only for a few months?

And once they've been replaced by the new Aventras, has their future home
been decided?

For anyone who's interested, here's a few pics I took on the line earlier
this week:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/reclin...57668732378626


Chiltern would be the "obvious choice", the LOROL units were ordered
by Adrian Shooter & have a similar specification to the Chiltern 172's

Yes, that's what I was thinking. I was wondering whose decision it is?

Is there any hint of Chiltern needing some extra stock anywhere ?
Depending on how the work is arranged, there could be scope for 172s
substituting for the buses if suitable sections of GOBLIN were
complete save for switching on the juice.


That's the situation when the line reopens in February. The work won't be
finished and the lines energised for at least another four months, during
which time I assume the 172s will provide the service. They won't be
available to anyone else till the Aventras enter service in 2018. So the
DMUs will be running under the wires for at least six months.

That doesn't seem to leave long enough for any useful hiring out in
the direction of Chiltern unless e.g. there's something big at Wembley
or somewhere else (Stratford ?) they could be used for. If there is
coincidence with work somewhere else then they would at least be
available for e.g. diversions over alternative non-electrified routes.


Dependant of course on driver route and traction knowledge...


Anna Noyd-Dryver


BevanPrice May 28th 16 06:11 PM

GOBLIN 172s: where do they go during their hols?
 
On 28/05/2016 16:15, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
Charles Ellson wrote:
On Fri, 27 May 2016 23:24:53 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:

Charles Ellson wrote:
On Fri, 27 May 2016 22:12:54 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:

David C wrote:
On Fri, 27 May 2016 14:58:37 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:

As I'm sure most people know, the GOBLIN line is soon to
be electrified, and there will be partial and complete
closures starting from tomorrow. It will be completely
closed from 24 Sep to Feb 2017. It will then reopen,
presumably still using the current DMUs, until the
electrification is complete a few months later, and the
new 4-car Aventras arrive in early 2018.

http://www.railtechnologymagazine.co...lectrification



The line has eight 2-car 172s that are modern and in good condition, so
they're in no need of renovation. I wonder if they'll
just go into storage during the complete closure, or will
they be loaned to any other operator that needs extra
capacity, even if only for a few months?

And once they've been replaced by the new Aventras, has
their future home been decided?

For anyone who's interested, here's a few pics I took on
the line earlier this week:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/reclin...57668732378626




Chiltern would be the "obvious choice", the LOROL units were ordered
by Adrian Shooter & have a similar specification to the
Chiltern 172's

Yes, that's what I was thinking. I was wondering whose
decision it is?

Is there any hint of Chiltern needing some extra stock anywhere
? Depending on how the work is arranged, there could be scope
for 172s substituting for the buses if suitable sections of
GOBLIN were complete save for switching on the juice.

That's the situation when the line reopens in February. The work
won't be finished and the lines energised for at least another
four months, during which time I assume the 172s will provide the
service. They won't be available to anyone else till the Aventras
enter service in 2018. So the DMUs will be running under the
wires for at least six months.

That doesn't seem to leave long enough for any useful hiring out
in the direction of Chiltern unless e.g. there's something big at
Wembley or somewhere else (Stratford ?) they could be used for. If
there is coincidence with work somewhere else then they would at
least be available for e.g. diversions over alternative
non-electrified routes.


Dependant of course on driver route and traction knowledge...


Anna Noyd-Dryver


Might London Midland be interested in a short term hire, whilst their
fire-damaged units are repaired ?


Recliner[_3_] May 28th 16 09:41 PM

GOBLIN 172s: where do they go during their hols?
 
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
Charles Ellson wrote:
On Fri, 27 May 2016 23:24:53 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:

Charles Ellson wrote:
On Fri, 27 May 2016 22:12:54 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:

David C wrote:
On Fri, 27 May 2016 14:58:37 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:

As I'm sure most people know, the GOBLIN line is soon to be electrified,
and there will be partial and complete closures starting from tomorrow. It
will be completely closed from 24 Sep to Feb 2017. It will then reopen,
presumably still using the current DMUs, until the electrification is
complete a few months later, and the new 4-car Aventras arrive in early
2018.

http://www.railtechnologymagazine.co...lectrification

The line has eight 2-car 172s that are modern and in good condition, so
they're in no need of renovation. I wonder if they'll just go into storage
during the complete closure, or will they be loaned to any other operator
that needs extra capacity, even if only for a few months?

And once they've been replaced by the new Aventras, has their future home
been decided?

For anyone who's interested, here's a few pics I took on the line earlier
this week:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/reclin...57668732378626


Chiltern would be the "obvious choice", the LOROL units were ordered
by Adrian Shooter & have a similar specification to the Chiltern 172's

Yes, that's what I was thinking. I was wondering whose decision it is?

Is there any hint of Chiltern needing some extra stock anywhere ?
Depending on how the work is arranged, there could be scope for 172s
substituting for the buses if suitable sections of GOBLIN were
complete save for switching on the juice.

That's the situation when the line reopens in February. The work won't be
finished and the lines energised for at least another four months, during
which time I assume the 172s will provide the service. They won't be
available to anyone else till the Aventras enter service in 2018. So the
DMUs will be running under the wires for at least six months.

That doesn't seem to leave long enough for any useful hiring out in
the direction of Chiltern unless e.g. there's something big at Wembley
or somewhere else (Stratford ?) they could be used for. If there is
coincidence with work somewhere else then they would at least be
available for e.g. diversions over alternative non-electrified routes.


Dependant of course on driver route and traction knowledge...


Aren't the LO and Chiltern 172s more or less identical? So traction
knowledge shouldn't be an issue for Chiltern drivers.

That raises another question: what will the LO GOBLIN drivers be doing
during the shutdown? I know there will be training courses for the new
trains, but what else?


Peter Smyth[_3_] May 28th 16 10:10 PM

GOBLIN 172s: where do they go during their hols?
 
Recliner wrote:

Aren't the LO and Chiltern 172s more or less identical? So traction
knowledge shouldn't be an issue for Chiltern drivers.

That raises another question: what will the LO GOBLIN drivers be doing
during the shutdown? I know there will be training courses for the
new trains, but what else?


There aren't any dedicated GOBLIN drivers, they all drive class 378s as
well so can be used on other lines.

It is too early to start training people on the new stock considering
the first train isn't due to arrive for 18 months.

Peter Smyth

Recliner[_3_] May 28th 16 11:36 PM

GOBLIN 172s: where do they go during their hols?
 
Peter Smyth wrote:
Recliner wrote:

Aren't the LO and Chiltern 172s more or less identical? So traction
knowledge shouldn't be an issue for Chiltern drivers.

That raises another question: what will the LO GOBLIN drivers be doing
during the shutdown? I know there will be training courses for the
new trains, but what else?


There aren't any dedicated GOBLIN drivers, they all drive class 378s as
well so can be used on other lines.


Ah, I wondered.


It is too early to start training people on the new stock considering
the first train isn't due to arrive for 18 months.


From now, yes, but during the blockade, the time to the new trains will be
down to less than a year. Still too early for training, I guess.





[email protected] May 29th 16 12:31 AM

GOBLIN 172s: where do they go during their hols?
 
In article ,
(Theo) wrote:

In uk.railway Charles Ellson wrote:
On Fri, 27 May 2016 23:24:53 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:

That doesn't seem to leave long enough for any useful hiring out in
the direction of Chiltern unless e.g. there's something big at Wembley
or somewhere else (Stratford ?) they could be used for. If there is
coincidence with work somewhere else then they would at least be
available for e.g. diversions over alternative non-electrified routes.


Greater Anglia seem to be sporadically short of DMUs, dragging out the
LHCS occasionally when they get desperate. I don't know if that's close
enough that they can still live at Willesden for maintenance.

However GA don't like paying for stock - claiming they didn't need the
317s required by the previous operator on their patch. So unless they're
going really cheap...


Didn't they relent and eventually take all the 317s back one way or another?

AGA's DMU shortage also shows up in the inability to run long enough trains
on some services, e.g. Cambridge-Ipswich, and increase the
Peterborough-Ipswich service to hourly.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Theo[_2_] May 29th 16 01:28 AM

GOBLIN 172s: where do they go during their hols?
 
In uk.railway Recliner wrote:
Basil Jet wrote:
On 2016\05\27 15:58, Recliner wrote:
As I'm sure most people know, the GOBLIN line is soon to be electrified,
and there will be partial and complete closures starting from tomorrow.


No, another week yet.


No, it's closed for the whole three-day Bank holiday weekend starting
tomorrow, as part of the project.


Are you sure about that? TfL say the closure starts 4 June, and the only
LO closure listed for this weekend is Romford to Upminister for Crossrail
works.

Theo

Charles Ellson[_2_] May 29th 16 03:07 AM

GOBLIN 172s: where do they go during their hols?
 
On 29 May 2016 02:28:18 +0100 (BST), Theo
wrote:

In uk.railway Recliner wrote:
Basil Jet wrote:
On 2016\05\27 15:58, Recliner wrote:
As I'm sure most people know, the GOBLIN line is soon to be electrified,
and there will be partial and complete closures starting from tomorrow.

No, another week yet.


No, it's closed for the whole three-day Bank holiday weekend starting
tomorrow, as part of the project.


Are you sure about that? TfL say the closure starts 4 June, and the only
LO closure listed for this weekend is Romford to Upminister for Crossrail
works.

Using RTT for Upper Holloway and Woodgrange Park, GOBLIN is bustituted
Sunday and Monday. Previous weekend closures have also been connected
with the upgrade of the line. There is nothing new about the TfL
website failing to correctly show weekend alterations involving NR/LO
other than the NLL or the DC line; on more than one occasion the
Journey Planner has failed to recognise e.g. that Northumberland Park
station has been opened on a Sunday when a Spurs game is on.

Recliner[_3_] May 29th 16 08:28 AM

GOBLIN 172s: where do they go during their hols?
 
Theo wrote:
In uk.railway Recliner wrote:
Basil Jet wrote:
On 2016\05\27 15:58, Recliner wrote:
As I'm sure most people know, the GOBLIN line is soon to be electrified,
and there will be partial and complete closures starting from tomorrow.

No, another week yet.


No, it's closed for the whole three-day Bank holiday weekend starting
tomorrow, as part of the project.


Are you sure about that? TfL say the closure starts 4 June, and the only
LO closure listed for this weekend is Romford to Upminister for Crossrail
works.


Use the TfL Journey Planner to get from Gospel Oak to Stratford today or
tomorrow, and see what route it recommends.


Roland Perry May 29th 16 08:39 AM

GOBLIN 172s: where do they go during their hols?
 
In message , at 19:31:17
on Sat, 28 May 2016, remarked:
In article ,
(Theo) wrote:

In uk.railway Charles Ellson wrote:
On Fri, 27 May 2016 23:24:53 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:

That doesn't seem to leave long enough for any useful hiring out in
the direction of Chiltern unless e.g. there's something big at Wembley
or somewhere else (Stratford ?) they could be used for. If there is
coincidence with work somewhere else then they would at least be
available for e.g. diversions over alternative non-electrified routes.


Greater Anglia seem to be sporadically short of DMUs, dragging out the
LHCS occasionally when they get desperate. I don't know if that's close
enough that they can still live at Willesden for maintenance.

However GA don't like paying for stock - claiming they didn't need the
317s required by the previous operator on their patch. So unless they're
going really cheap...


Didn't they relent and eventually take all the 317s back one way or another?

AGA's DMU shortage also shows up in the inability to run long enough trains
on some services, e.g. Cambridge-Ipswich, and increase the
Peterborough-Ipswich service to hourly.


Doesn't the latter require doubling Ely-Soham?
--
Roland Perry

Graham Murray May 29th 16 08:48 AM

GOBLIN 172s: where do they go during their hols?
 
Recliner writes:

Basil Jet wrote:
On 2016\05\27 15:58, Recliner wrote:
As I'm sure most people know, the GOBLIN line is soon to be electrified,
and there will be partial and complete closures starting from tomorrow.


No, another week yet.


No, it's closed for the whole three-day Bank holiday weekend starting
tomorrow, as part of the project.


It was open yesterday (Sat 28th), as I took advantage of travelling on
it for the first time during my day out in London.

Recliner[_3_] May 29th 16 09:12 AM

GOBLIN 172s: where do they go during their hols?
 
Graham Murray wrote:
Recliner writes:

Basil Jet wrote:
On 2016\05\27 15:58, Recliner wrote:
As I'm sure most people know, the GOBLIN line is soon to be electrified,
and there will be partial and complete closures starting from tomorrow.

No, another week yet.


No, it's closed for the whole three-day Bank holiday weekend starting
tomorrow, as part of the project.


It was open yesterday (Sat 28th), as I took advantage of travelling on
it for the first time during my day out in London.



Ah, that's interesting. I'm sure I'd read somewhere that it was closed the
whole weekend (I'd wanted to travel on Monday).

Did you share my impression that the 172s look and sound in very good
condition? They seemed almost showroom fresh.

Graham Murray May 29th 16 11:02 AM

GOBLIN 172s: where do they go during their hols?
 
Recliner writes:

Did you share my impression that the 172s look and sound in very good
condition? They seemed almost showroom fresh.


Yes, they did seem almost showroom fresh.

[email protected] May 29th 16 02:32 PM

GOBLIN 172s: where do they go during their hols?
 
In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at
19:31:17 on Sat, 28 May 2016,
remarked:

AGA's DMU shortage also shows up in the inability to run long enough
trains on some services, e.g. Cambridge-Ipswich, and increase the
Peterborough-Ipswich service to hourly.


Doesn't the latter require doubling Ely-Soham?


Maybe but not seen it stated though.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Roland Perry May 29th 16 03:32 PM

GOBLIN 172s: where do they go during their hols?
 
In message , at 09:32:12
on Sun, 29 May 2016, remarked:

AGA's DMU shortage also shows up in the inability to run long enough
trains on some services, e.g. Cambridge-Ipswich, and increase the
Peterborough-Ipswich service to hourly.


Doesn't the latter require doubling Ely-Soham?


Maybe but not seen it stated though.



The best I can find at the moment is this rail-blogger:

"Making Ipswich-Ely an hourly service was also looked at a few
years back but couldn't make a business case even assuming the
Soham redoubling was already done (which was necessary to create
the extra paths)."

Other proposals in fantasy-1:1-model-railway-land is to reinstate the
curve at Newmarket and have a Cambridge-Newmarket-Soham-Ely service.
Especially as Soham-Ely-CHANGE-Ely-Cambridge doesn't sound very
appealing, especially on the current timetable (which has excessive
layovers at Ely).
--
Roland Perry

Neil Williams May 30th 16 09:02 AM

GOBLIN 172s: where do they go during their hols?
 
On 2016-05-27 23:24:53 +0000, Recliner said:

That's the situation when the line reopens in February. The work won't be
finished and the lines energised for at least another four months, during
which time


....they will get nicked and sold for scrap.

Madness.

Neil
--
Neil Williams
Put my first name before the @ to reply.


Robin9 August 19th 16 06:04 PM

I've said before that on this route the three stations
at which large numbers board and alight are Barking,
Blackhorse Road and Gospel Oak. Now that the truncated
service is operating between South Tottenham and Gospel
Oak, two of those stations are not generating any custom.

I travelled from Gospel Oak to South Tottenham today in
the early afternoon. The train was almost empty. At South
Tottenham four passengers alighted.

Robin9 November 18th 16 12:16 PM

From 22.00 hours tonight until early on Monday morning,
Holloway Road will be closed to facilitate replacing the road
bridge at Upper Holloway Station.

In the Leyton/Leytonstone area there is little evidence of
any progress being made with this electrification project.
I hope it's still on schedule and will be completed by the
end of February but I'm beginning to have doubts. No masts
and no overhead cables are to be seen but plenty of sturdy
vegetation is sprouting from railway brickwork. Network Rail
really should do something about this. Allowing brickwork to
be damaged in this way constitutes negligence.

Robin9 January 5th 17 09:43 AM

Ah! A sign of progress. The first mast - goalpost and
cross bar format - has been installed at Leyton Midland
Road Station. Just one, all by itself.

And the line is scheduled to re-open in eight weeks time.


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