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On Wed, 31 Aug 2016 00:03:27 +0100, "Richard J."
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e27002 aurora wrote on 30 Aug 2016 at 18:43 ...
Overall the new station looks excellent. The font on the fixed signs
is not great. Gill Sans would have been markedly better.


The font is presumably NR Brunel, Network Rail's current standard for
signage. The only full character set that I've found is buried in the NR
document "Managed Stations Wayfinding" on page 10 (numbered as page 20
in my downloaded PDF file). It can be downloaded from
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/reque...Guidelines.pdf


Thank you. It took a while to download that.

It's difficult to comment on the signage based on Recliner's photos, but
I would doubt if Gill Sans would be "markedly better". What don't you
like about the NR Brunel font?


OK, so look at the picture from Nigel: http://tinyurl.com/zkpzow2 The
"9" has a very exaggerated form. Railways in the UK have always had a
reputation for adopting good industrial design. IMHO the
understatement inherent in Gill Sans is very pleasing to the eye when
used for sign posting and the like.

OTOH it is terrible for documents. :-)
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e27002 aurora wrote on 01 Sep 2016 at 08:53 ...
On Wed, 31 Aug 2016 00:03:27 +0100, "Richard J."
wrote:

e27002 aurora wrote on 30 Aug 2016 at 18:43 ...
Overall the new station looks excellent. The font on the fixed signs
is not great. Gill Sans would have been markedly better.


The font is presumably NR Brunel, Network Rail's current standard for
signage. The only full character set that I've found is buried in the NR
document "Managed Stations Wayfinding" on page 10 (numbered as page 20
in my downloaded PDF file). It can be downloaded from
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/reque...Guidelines.pdf


Thank you. It took a while to download that.

It's difficult to comment on the signage based on Recliner's photos, but
I would doubt if Gill Sans would be "markedly better". What don't you
like about the NR Brunel font?


OK, so look at the picture from Nigel: http://tinyurl.com/zkpzow2 The
"9" has a very exaggerated form. Railways in the UK have always had a
reputation for adopting good industrial design. IMHO the
understatement inherent in Gill Sans is very pleasing to the eye when
used for sign posting and the like.


The elegant understatement doesn't necessarily aid fast recognition from
a distance which you need in a font used for signage. The most
understated character in Gill Sans is the number "1", which is
indistinguishable from upper case "i" and lower case "L". Having said
that, I don't find the 9 and 6 in NR Brunel very attractive. But in any
font, there are always one or two characters that grate against one's
own feelings.

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