Can you visit every underground station on one fare?
 

In article
-september
..org, (Recliner) wrote:

John Levine wrote:
Apropos of a recent report of a guy in New York who visited every NY
subway station in record time, the question arose of why the usual NY
subway challenge rules require you do it on one fare, but the London
tube challenge rules don't. Guiness will accept NY records using
multiple fares but New Yorkers uniformly consider that to be cheating.
(NY has a few places where you can make an out of system connection on
the same fare, but they don't seem to be useful for record attempts.)

As far as I can tell, there's never been a single-fare tube challenge.
Is it possible? Are there lines where you have to exit at the end
of the line? Are there connections you can only make out of system?
Would it just take too long, and do night tubes change that?

Signed,
Confused

Here's the story about the NY challenge, with video:


http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/29/ny...ess-world-reco
rd-subway-challenge-matthew-ahn.html

London PAYG single journeys have a time limit, so it's a non-starter. So
you need a Travelcard, assuming you don't already have some kind of pass.

When we did it (in 1970 admittedly) we negotiated a special ticket from LT.
It was a write valid for the whole day between "All stations served by LT
Trains". It was accepted on the 03:59 BR train from Liverpool St which we
took to Upminster in time for the 04:59 District service but a ticket
collector at Watford Junction tried to take it off us because it said
"Single ticket".

There wasn't a regular ticket valid in the peaks and covering everywhere
then. Now a Peak Day Travelcard should cover it, shouldn't it?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Can you visit every underground station on one fare?
 

wrote:
In article
-september
.org, (Recliner) wrote:

John Levine wrote:
Apropos of a recent report of a guy in New York who visited every NY
subway station in record time, the question arose of why the usual NY
subway challenge rules require you do it on one fare, but the London
tube challenge rules don't. Guiness will accept NY records using
multiple fares but New Yorkers uniformly consider that to be cheating.
(NY has a few places where you can make an out of system connection on
the same fare, but they don't seem to be useful for record attempts.)

As far as I can tell, there's never been a single-fare tube challenge.
Is it possible? Are there lines where you have to exit at the end
of the line? Are there connections you can only make out of system?
Would it just take too long, and do night tubes change that?

Signed,
Confused

Here's the story about the NY challenge, with video:


http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/29/ny...ess-world-reco
rd-subway-challenge-matthew-ahn.html

London PAYG single journeys have a time limit, so it's a non-starter. So
you need a Travelcard, assuming you don't already have some kind of pass.

When we did it (in 1970 admittedly) we negotiated a special ticket from LT.
It was a write valid for the whole day between "All stations served by LT
Trains". It was accepted on the 03:59 BR train from Liverpool St which we
took to Upminster in time for the 04:59 District service but a ticket
collector at Watford Junction tried to take it off us because it said
"Single ticket".

There wasn't a regular ticket valid in the peaks and covering everywhere
then. Now a Peak Day Travelcard should cover it, shouldn't it?


I assume so. It costs £21.70:
http://content.tfl.gov.uk/adult-fares.pdf

Just curious, but I wonder if the contest rules allow using LO between H&W
and Queen's Park, instead of a Bakerloo train, if the former turns up
first? You'd still visit the same stations.

Can you visit every underground station on one fare?
 

In message , at 17:56:53
on Sat, 3 Sep 2016, remarked:
London PAYG single journeys have a time limit, so it's a non-starter. So
you need a Travelcard, assuming you don't already have some kind of pass.

When we did it (in 1970 admittedly) we negotiated a special ticket from LT.
It was a write valid for the whole day between "All stations served by LT
Trains". It was accepted on the 03:59 BR train from Liverpool St which we
took to Upminster in time for the 04:59 District service but a ticket
collector at Watford Junction tried to take it off us because it said
"Single ticket".

There wasn't a regular ticket valid in the peaks and covering everywhere
then. Now a Peak Day Travelcard should cover it, shouldn't it?

From time to time there have been "all day rover tickets" but perhaps
only from 9/10am onwards.
--
Roland Perry

Can you visit every underground station on one fare?
 

Recliner wrote:

Just curious, but I wonder if the contest rules allow using LO
between H&W and Queen's Park, instead of a Bakerloo train, if the
former turns up first? You'd still visit the same stations.

The rules are that you can use services that share the same rails as LU
to visit stations, eg LO to Harrow & Wealdstone / Richmond and Chiltern
to Amersham.

Peter Smyth

Can you visit every underground station on one fare?
 

Peter Smyth wrote:
Recliner wrote:

Just curious, but I wonder if the contest rules allow using LO
between H&W and Queen's Park, instead of a Bakerloo train, if the
former turns up first? You'd still visit the same stations.

The rules are that you can use services that share the same rails as LU
to visit stations, eg LO to Harrow & Wealdstone / Richmond and Chiltern
to Amersham.

Are fast, non-stop services allowed? For example, from Wembley Park to
Finchley Road on the Met, or Acton Town to Hammersmith on the Picc? Or do
stations only count if the train stopped at them?

Can you visit every underground station on one fare?
 

Are fast, non-stop services allowed? For example, from Wembley Park to
Finchley Road on the Met, or Acton Town to Hammersmith on the Picc? Or do
stations only count if the train stopped at them?

Read all about it:

http://www.thetubechallenge.com/tube-challenge-rules

Can you visit every underground station on one fare?
 

In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at
17:56:53 on Sat, 3 Sep 2016, remarked:
London PAYG single journeys have a time limit, so it's a non-starter.
So you need a Travelcard, assuming you don't already have some kind
of pass.

When we did it (in 1970 admittedly) we negotiated a special ticket from
LT. It was a write valid for the whole day between "All stations served
by LT Trains". It was accepted on the 03:59 BR train from Liverpool St
which we took to Upminster in time for the 04:59 District service but a
ticket collector at Watford Junction tried to take it off us because it
said "Single ticket".

There wasn't a regular ticket valid in the peaks and covering everywhere
then. Now a Peak Day Travelcard should cover it, shouldn't it?

From time to time there have been "all day rover tickets" but
perhaps only from 9/10am onwards.

and not as early as 1970 either. A start that late in the day is no good
anyway.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Can you visit every underground station on one fare?
 

In article , (Peter Smyth)
wrote:

Recliner wrote:

Just curious, but I wonder if the contest rules allow using LO
between H&W and Queen's Park, instead of a Bakerloo train, if the
former turns up first? You'd still visit the same stations.

The rules are that you can use services that share the same rails as LU
to visit stations, eg LO to Harrow & Wealdstone / Richmond and Chiltern
to Amersham.

We were more strict in 1970 then. No rules were published then.

Most records only stood while the network was that particular size in those
days. Only one year after our attempt the network changed again with the
opening of the Brixton extension of the Victoria Line and again a year later
with the opening of Pimlico station.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Can you visit every underground station on one fare?
 

John Levine wrote:
Are fast, non-stop services allowed? For example, from Wembley Park to
Finchley Road on the Met, or Acton Town to Hammersmith on the Picc? Or do
stations only count if the train stopped at them?

Read all about it:

http://www.thetubechallenge.com/tube-challenge-rules

Thanks. So non-stop fast trains don't count.

Can you visit every underground station on one fare?
 

In article , (John Levine)
wrote:

Are fast, non-stop services allowed? For example, from Wembley Park to
Finchley Road on the Met, or Acton Town to Hammersmith on the Picc? Or do
stations only count if the train stopped at them?

Read all about it:

http://www.thetubechallenge.com/tube-challenge-rules

The rules reproduced there make clear that the answer to Recliner's question
is no.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Can you visit every underground station on one fare?
 

In message , at 14:19:12
on Sun, 4 Sep 2016, remarked:

From time to time there have been "all day rover tickets" but
perhaps only from 9/10am onwards.

and not as early as 1970 either.

Here's a Twin Rover ticket from 1967:

http://www.yellins.co.uk/transporthi.../redrover.html
--
Roland Perry

Can you visit every underground station on one fare?
 

wrote:
In article , (John Levine)
wrote:

Are fast, non-stop services allowed? For example, from Wembley Park to
Finchley Road on the Met, or Acton Town to Hammersmith on the Picc? Or do
stations only count if the train stopped at them?

Read all about it:

http://www.thetubechallenge.com/tube-challenge-rules

The rules reproduced there make clear that the answer to Recliner's question
is no.

Yes, I'd assumed that would be regarded as cheating.

Can you visit every underground station on one fare?
 

In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at
14:19:12 on Sun, 4 Sep 2016, remarked:

From time to time there have been "all day rover tickets" but
perhaps only from 9/10am onwards.

and not as early as 1970 either.

Here's a Twin Rover ticket from 1967:

http://www.yellins.co.uk/transporthi.../redrover.html

My recollection is that they weren't valid in the morning peak.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Can you visit every underground station on one fare?
 

John Levine wrote:
Are fast, non-stop services allowed? For example, from Wembley Park to
Finchley Road on the Met, or Acton Town to Hammersmith on the Picc? Or do
stations only count if the train stopped at them?

Read all about it:

http://www.thetubechallenge.com/tube-challenge-rules

Is there a generally accepted optimal route for attempting the challenge
within these rules? Presumably there are certain parts of the network that
impose constraints so have to be done at particular times.

Robin

Can you visit every underground station on one fare?
 

Read all about it:

http://www.thetubechallenge.com/tube-challenge-rules

Is there a generally accepted optimal route for attempting the challenge
within these rules? Presumably there are certain parts of the network that
impose constraints so have to be done at particular times.

Read all about it:

http://www.thetubechallenge.com/projectplan

R's,
John

Can you visit every underground station on one fare?
 

In article , (John Levine)
wrote:

Read all about it:

http://www.thetubechallenge.com/tube-challenge-rules

Is there a generally accepted optimal route for attempting the challenge
within these rules? Presumably there are certain parts of the network
that impose constraints so have to be done at particular times.

Read all about it:

http://www.thetubechallenge.com/projectplan

All far too sophisticated for 1970! No WTT for a start and not even a pocket
calculator to carry around. We did have some contingencies set up to cover
extra bits, mainly in Zone 1, if we got ahead of our timetable. We were 40
minutes up until the bloody 107 bus let us down so badly.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Can you visit every underground station on one fare?
 

On Mon, 05 Sep 2016 20:13:14 -0500,
wrote:

In article , (John Levine)
wrote:

Read all about it:

http://www.thetubechallenge.com/tube-challenge-rules

Is there a generally accepted optimal route for attempting the challenge
within these rules? Presumably there are certain parts of the network
that impose constraints so have to be done at particular times.

Read all about it:

http://www.thetubechallenge.com/projectplan

All far too sophisticated for 1970! No WTT for a start and not even a pocket
calculator to carry around. We did have some contingencies set up to cover
extra bits, mainly in Zone 1, if we got ahead of our timetable. We were 40
minutes up until the bloody 107 bus let us down so badly.

Ah. I could have warned you about that! I used to live on the 107, and
in 1970 it would have been one of London's longest central buses
routes. Delays were the norm.

Mind you, it was handy for a trip to Aldenham Works.

Can you visit every underground station on one fare?
 

In article ,
(BirchangerKen) wrote:

On Mon, 05 Sep 2016 20:13:14 -0500, wrote:

In article , (John Levine)
wrote:

Read all about it:

http://www.thetubechallenge.com/tube-challenge-rules

Is there a generally accepted optimal route for attempting the
challenge within these rules? Presumably there are certain parts of
the network that impose constraints so have to be done at particular
times.

Read all about it:

http://www.thetubechallenge.com/projectplan

All far too sophisticated for 1970! No WTT for a start and not even a
pocket calculator to carry around. We did have some contingencies set up
to cover extra bits, mainly in Zone 1, if we got ahead of our timetable.
We were 40 minutes up until the bloody 107 bus let us down so badly.

Ah. I could have warned you about that! I used to live on the 107, and
in 1970 it would have been one of London's longest central buses
routes. Delays were the norm.

Mind you, it was handy for a trip to Aldenham Works.

Annoyingly it was running on time apart from one bus in a 20-minute interval
service being cancelled. It was also slow getting to High Barnet so we just
missed the train we needed. We had to get the right one to get to Mill Hill
East (where the photo was taken) and back.

None of that would have mattered had we visited South Harrow, the only way
in those days to find out the exact evening timetable there, beforehand.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Can you visit every underground station on one fare?
 

On 05/09/2016 11:34, wrote:
Here's a Twin Rover ticket from 1967:

http://www.yellins.co.uk/transporthi.../redrover.html

My recollection is that they weren't valid in the morning peak.

I don't recall.

But they weren't valid north of Rickmansworth on the Met.

(Since we always boarded at Watford Junction or Croxley, depending on
which grandparents I was with at the time, I can't remember whether it
was valid at Ricky itself.)