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I know the Circle is no longer advertised as a circle but do any
trains actually do the circle? I was on a Hammersmith and City last Friday from Liverpool Street to Hammersmith but at Edgware Road it became a Circle Line (didn't worry me since my destination was Paddington). Is it just an occasional, unpredictable, change or are there any trains actually scheduled to make the complete circle ever? |
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Richard J. wrote:
Graham Harrison wrote on 05 Nov 2016 at 08:57 ... On Fri, 04 Nov 2016 18:03:15 -0500, wrote: In article , (Graham Harrison) wrote: I know the Circle is no longer advertised as a circle but do any trains actually do the circle? I was on a Hammersmith and City last Friday from Liverpool Street to Hammersmith but at Edgware Road it became a Circle Line (didn't worry me since my destination was Paddington). Is it just an occasional, unpredictable, change or are there any trains actually scheduled to make the complete circle ever? The former. They advertise when a circle service is run, usually when there is engineering work on the Hammersmith branch. The most recent closure wasn't a circle because the closure was west of Baker Street. I think the whole line was suspended or maybe they ran High St-Baker St via Aldgate only. Thank you. So, using National Rail terms, absolutely no complete circles as part of the Working Time Table. When it does occur it's a VAR or STP. It depends how you define a "complete circle". Outer rail Circle trains start from Hammersmith, enter the circle at Praed Street Junction and call at all stations from Edgware Road to Edgware Road. The track from Praed Street Junction to Edgware Road is therefore covered twice. That looks like a complete circle to me. The Inner Rail service does the same in the other direction. Technically, that is indeed a circle. But a real Circle line would let passengers routinely travel from High St Ken to Baker St by the shortest route without changing and vice versa. There is at least one timetabled Circle service that passes through several stations twice without reversing. On Mon-Fri, train 200 runs from Kings Cross (05:20), inner rail via Edgware Road, right round the inner-rail circle to Edgware Road again, and then to Hammersmith (06:39). There may be others. The current WTT is online at http://content.tfl.gov.uk/wtt-34-cir...h-and-city.pdf But you still couldn't travel directly from Farringdon to High St Ken on the inner rail. |
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On 05.11.16 16:34, Recliner wrote:
Richard J. wrote: Graham Harrison wrote on 05 Nov 2016 at 08:57 ... On Fri, 04 Nov 2016 18:03:15 -0500, wrote: In article , (Graham Harrison) wrote: I know the Circle is no longer advertised as a circle but do any trains actually do the circle? I was on a Hammersmith and City last Friday from Liverpool Street to Hammersmith but at Edgware Road it became a Circle Line (didn't worry me since my destination was Paddington). Is it just an occasional, unpredictable, change or are there any trains actually scheduled to make the complete circle ever? The former. They advertise when a circle service is run, usually when there is engineering work on the Hammersmith branch. The most recent closure wasn't a circle because the closure was west of Baker Street. I think the whole line was suspended or maybe they ran High St-Baker St via Aldgate only. Thank you. So, using National Rail terms, absolutely no complete circles as part of the Working Time Table. When it does occur it's a VAR or STP. It depends how you define a "complete circle". Outer rail Circle trains start from Hammersmith, enter the circle at Praed Street Junction and call at all stations from Edgware Road to Edgware Road. The track from Praed Street Junction to Edgware Road is therefore covered twice. That looks like a complete circle to me. The Inner Rail service does the same in the other direction. Technically, that is indeed a circle. But a real Circle line would let passengers routinely travel from High St Ken to Baker St by the shortest route without changing and vice versa. There is at least one timetabled Circle service that passes through several stations twice without reversing. On Mon-Fri, train 200 runs from Kings Cross (05:20), inner rail via Edgware Road, right round the inner-rail circle to Edgware Road again, and then to Hammersmith (06:39). There may be others. The current WTT is online at http://content.tfl.gov.uk/wtt-34-cir...h-and-city.pdf But you still couldn't travel directly from Farringdon to High St Ken on the inner rail. What about from Amersham or Chesham directly to Watford? |
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On 05.11.16 16:34, Recliner wrote: Richard J. wrote: Graham Harrison wrote on 05 Nov 2016 at 08:57 ... On Fri, 04 Nov 2016 18:03:15 -0500, wrote: In article , (Graham Harrison) wrote: I know the Circle is no longer advertised as a circle but do any trains actually do the circle? I was on a Hammersmith and City last Friday from Liverpool Street to Hammersmith but at Edgware Road it became a Circle Line (didn't worry me since my destination was Paddington). Is it just an occasional, unpredictable, change or are there any trains actually scheduled to make the complete circle ever? The former. They advertise when a circle service is run, usually when there is engineering work on the Hammersmith branch. The most recent closure wasn't a circle because the closure was west of Baker Street. I think the whole line was suspended or maybe they ran High St-Baker St via Aldgate only. Thank you. So, using National Rail terms, absolutely no complete circles as part of the Working Time Table. When it does occur it's a VAR or STP. It depends how you define a "complete circle". Outer rail Circle trains start from Hammersmith, enter the circle at Praed Street Junction and call at all stations from Edgware Road to Edgware Road. The track from Praed Street Junction to Edgware Road is therefore covered twice. That looks like a complete circle to me. The Inner Rail service does the same in the other direction. Technically, that is indeed a circle. But a real Circle line would let passengers routinely travel from High St Ken to Baker St by the shortest route without changing and vice versa. There is at least one timetabled Circle service that passes through several stations twice without reversing. On Mon-Fri, train 200 runs from Kings Cross (05:20), inner rail via Edgware Road, right round the inner-rail circle to Edgware Road again, and then to Hammersmith (06:39). There may be others. The current WTT is online at http://content.tfl.gov.uk/wtt-34-cir...h-and-city.pdf But you still couldn't travel directly from Farringdon to High St Ken on the inner rail. What about from Amersham or Chesham directly to Watford? Not currently possible under normal circumstances, and not currently planned. There has been talk of a possible Chiltern service from Aylesbury to Watford Junction, but I don't think it's yet a serious proposal. But, once in a while, services are scheduled to use the north face of the triangle: https://www.flickr.com/photos/reclin...57651394935649 |
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(Graham Harrison) wrote: On Fri, 04 Nov 2016 18:03:15 -0500, wrote: In article , (Graham Harrison) wrote: I know the Circle is no longer advertised as a circle but do any trains actually do the circle? I was on a Hammersmith and City last Friday from Liverpool Street to Hammersmith but at Edgware Road it became a Circle Line (didn't worry me since my destination was Paddington). Is it just an occasional, unpredictable, change or are there any trains actually scheduled to make the complete circle ever? The former. They advertise when a circle service is run, usually when there is engineering work on the Hammersmith branch. The most recent closure wasn't a circle because the closure was west of Baker Street. I think the whole line was suspended or maybe they ran High St-Baker St via Aldgate only. Thank you. So, using National Rail terms, absolutely no complete circles as part of the Working Time Table. When it does occur it's a VAR or STP. As I understand it, yes. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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On 05.11.16 8:57, Graham Harrison wrote:
On Fri, 04 Nov 2016 18:03:15 -0500, wrote: In article , (Graham Harrison) wrote: I know the Circle is no longer advertised as a circle but do any trains actually do the circle? I was on a Hammersmith and City last Friday from Liverpool Street to Hammersmith but at Edgware Road it became a Circle Line (didn't worry me since my destination was Paddington). Is it just an occasional, unpredictable, change or are there any trains actually scheduled to make the complete circle ever? The former. They advertise when a circle service is run, usually when there is engineering work on the Hammersmith branch. The most recent closure wasn't a circle because the closure was west of Baker Street. I think the whole line was suspended or maybe they ran High St-Baker St via Aldgate only. Thank you. So, using National Rail terms, absolutely no complete circles as part of the Working Time Table. When it does occur it's a VAR or STP. I meant to ask about about VAR and STP, specifically what they mean. I was a few months ago on the NLL, and I saw on RTT a train that was due to run ECM from Ilford to Hornsey via Denmark Junction. The train never showed, yet the indication for it on RTT had the letters STP in a box. |
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