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May 30th 17, 04:57 PM
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May 31st 17, 12:29 PM
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On 2017\05\31 09:05, tim... wrote:
wrote in message ... In article , (Roland Perry) wrote: In message , at 04:07:40 on Tue, 30 May 2017, Paul Corfield remarked: I will be astonished if CR2 starts construction within the next 20 years. We will see a repeat of the nonsense that Crossrail had to endure to get to the point of "spades in the ground". This is because politicians are generally pretty stupid when it comes to transport investment. Or perhaps they realise that spending huge sums on something like CR2 brings less kudos than promising the same amount for the NHS, were everyone in the country, not just a few toffs in Chelsea, can bask in its alleged benefit. The biggest set of beneficiaries are the 100 million passengers a year using Waterloo who will either get alternatives or much needed extra capacity. though it doesn't need to leave the mainline at Wimbledon and take a round the houses route to Chelsea via Balham to achieve that building the tunnel portal somewhere between Earlsfield and CJ would be sufficient CR2 plans to increase trains between Wimbledon and London, and will allow trains from Chessington and Epsom to get to London without sharing tracks with the lines from Surbiton. Starting the tunnel north of Wimbledon wouldn't allow any extra service to Waterloo... the trains from Wimbledon and the trains from Putney don't share tracks through Clapham Junction, because both routes have dedicated tracks to Waterloo. |
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May 31st 17, 08:30 AM
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On Tue, 30 May 2017 11:57:49 -0500
wrote: In article , (Roland Perry) wrote: In message , at 04:07:40 on Tue, 30 May 2017, Paul Corfield remarked: I will be astonished if CR2 starts construction within the next 20 years. We will see a repeat of the nonsense that Crossrail had to endure to get to the point of "spades in the ground". This is because politicians are generally pretty stupid when it comes to transport investment. Or perhaps they realise that spending huge sums on something like CR2 brings less kudos than promising the same amount for the NHS, were everyone in the country, not just a few toffs in Chelsea, can bask in its alleged benefit. The biggest set of beneficiaries are the 100 million passengers a year using Waterloo who will either get alternatives or much needed extra capacity. If all CR2 is is another line into waterloo then they can save half the money and terminate it there. Also its been 10 YEARS since eurostar left waterloo and STILL the international platforms are out of use and if you go down there today you'll find the whole place is a building site. Quite what they needed to do to perfectly servicable platforms that required taking 10 years to design and take half the international section apart is anyones guess. If there was really concern about capacity at waterloo those platforms would have been put back into use within 6 months. -- Spud |
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May 31st 17, 09:39 AM
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In article , d () wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2017 11:57:49 -0500 wrote: In article , (Roland Perry) wrote: In message , at 04:07:40 on Tue, 30 May 2017, Paul Corfield remarked: I will be astonished if CR2 starts construction within the next 20 years. We will see a repeat of the nonsense that Crossrail had to endure to get to the point of "spades in the ground". This is because politicians are generally pretty stupid when it comes to transport investment. Or perhaps they realise that spending huge sums on something like CR2 brings less kudos than promising the same amount for the NHS, were everyone in the country, not just a few toffs in Chelsea, can bask in its alleged benefit. The biggest set of beneficiaries are the 100 million passengers a year using Waterloo who will either get alternatives or much needed extra capacity. If all CR2 is is another line into waterloo then they can save half the money and terminate it there. Also its been 10 YEARS since eurostar left waterloo and STILL the international platforms are out of use and if you go down there today you'll find the whole place is a building site. Quite what they needed to do to perfectly servicable platforms that required taking 10 years to design and take half the international section apart is anyones guess. If there was really concern about capacity at waterloo those platforms would have been put back into use within 6 months. Of course it isn't, any more than most of the 100 million annual Waterloo passengers terminate their journeys there. You also seem blissfully unaware of the approach track to Waterloo which is where a lot of the work is needed to allow former International platforms designed for infrequent arrivals and departures to be used for a frequent suburban service. You do yourself no favours overlooking such factors. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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May 31st 17, 12:47 PM
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wrote in message news  On Tue, 30 May 2017 11:57:49 -0500 wrote: In article , (Roland Perry) wrote: In message , at 04:07:40 on Tue, 30 May 2017, Paul Corfield remarked: I will be astonished if CR2 starts construction within the next 20 years. We will see a repeat of the nonsense that Crossrail had to endure to get to the point of "spades in the ground". This is because politicians are generally pretty stupid when it comes to transport investment. Or perhaps they realise that spending huge sums on something like CR2 brings less kudos than promising the same amount for the NHS, were everyone in the country, not just a few toffs in Chelsea, can bask in its alleged benefit. The biggest set of beneficiaries are the 100 million passengers a year using Waterloo who will either get alternatives or much needed extra capacity. If all CR2 is is another line into waterloo then they can save half the money and terminate it there. Also its been 10 YEARS since eurostar left waterloo and STILL the international platforms are out of use and if you go down there today you'll find the whole place is a building site. Quite what they needed to do to perfectly servicable platforms that required taking 10 years to design and take half the international section apart they had to wait 9 years for it to become politically acceptable to confirm that the international trains weren't coming back :-) tim |
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