SWT & NR - from deep alliance to deep something else
In message , at 11:51:23 on Sun, 20
Aug 2017, Martin Coffee remarked: On 20/08/17 11:41, Graeme Wall wrote: On 20/08/2017 10:55, Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 10:01:27 on Sun, 20 Aug 2017, Graeme Wall remarked: https://www.southwesttrains.co.uk now redirects to https://www.southwesternrailway.com . It's a shame they still use a network map that makes it look like anyone in Salisbury who wants to get to Southampton or Eastleigh would be better off walking or going via Basingstoke. https://www.southwesternrailway.com/...ey/our-network For a geographical comparison, disable the historic layer on http://www.railmaponline.com/UKIEMap.php Already ****ed off with it pestering me for my location everytime I change pages. There's a box to tick to "remember" your answer. Shouldn't be necessary, poor web design. Anyway their map is virtually unreadable, even on a big monitor. Unzoomable it appears too. The ticket-buying facility sucks big-time too. You have to set up a new account, why can't they just use your existing one? The Data Protection Act probably prevents this Fullstop. under their terms and conditions. The DPA trumps the T&C in any event. I use separate emails addresses for all my suppliers so I wouldn't want my account transferred. I note they have an incomplete list of railcards so I wont be using them. This is an ongoing trend. When I had TfL u my senior card onto my Oyster recently, the only option the hilariously mardy and untrained roving chappie had to pick was "National Rail Cards". He insisted they were all treated as one now when it came to validity (mainly time of day, I suppose). I very much doubt that! -- Roland Perry |
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On Sun, 20 Aug 2017 12:05:51 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote: [Choice of Railcards on SWR] This is an ongoing trend. When I had TfL u my senior card onto my Oyster recently, the only option the hilariously mardy and untrained roving chappie had to pick was "National Rail Cards". He insisted they were all treated as one now when it came to validity (mainly time of day, I suppose). I very much doubt that! Are the discounts only on Oyster off-peak fares? I think they would be all the same in that case. Richard. |
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Fri, 25 Aug 2017, Richard remarked: [Choice of Railcards on SWR] This is an ongoing trend. When I had TfL u my senior card onto my Oyster recently, the only option the hilariously mardy and untrained roving chappie had to pick was "National Rail Cards". He insisted they were all treated as one now when it came to validity (mainly time of day, I suppose). I very much doubt that! Are the discounts only on Oyster off-peak fares? I think they would be all the same in that case. Network cards are strictly "after 10am", whereas the Senior Railcard is "off-peak {may vary locally}"[1], and the F&F/TTG/Disabled Railcard is "After 9.30am". Even TfL admits: "The savings are slightly different for each card." https://tfl.gov.uk/fares-and-payment...discounts-and- concessions/railcards But how do they know, if all railcards are coded the same?? [1] For TfL fares their blanket off-peak is *depart* after 9.30, but for National Rail the senior off-peak is *arrive* after 10am. -- Roland Perry |
SWT & NR - from deep alliance to deep something else
"Roland Perry" wrote Are the discounts only on Oyster off-peak fares? I think they would be all the same in that case. Network cards are strictly "after 10am", whereas the Senior Railcard is "off-peak {may vary locally}"[1], and the F&F/TTG/Disabled Railcard is "After 9.30am". Even TfL admits: "The savings are slightly different for each card." https://tfl.gov.uk/fares-and-payment...discounts-and- concessions/railcards But how do they know, if all railcards are coded the same?? [1] For TfL fares their blanket off-peak is *depart* after 9.30, but for National Rail the senior off-peak is *arrive* after 10am. == This isn't a Railcard matter but an off-peak matter - if you use Oyster on NR I assume depart after 9:30 still applies? Network cards should not allowed for Oyster discount and F&F/TTG logically can't do it. https://tfl.gov.uk/fares-and-payment...on-this-page-9 Setting Railcard discount on an Oyster card If you have a 16-25, Senior, HM Forces or Disabled Persons Railcard, you need to get the discount set on an Oyster card. If you don't already have one, you'll need to get an Oyster card and register it. You can get the discount set at Tube, London Overground, TfL Rail and some National Rail stations. To get the discount set at a Tube station, ask a member of staff to set it for you. You can also get the discount set at Oyster Ticket Stops and Visitor Centres. When you renew a National Railcard, you will need to get the discount set again on your Oyster card. == You can also get the discount set at Oyster Ticket Stops . . . . Has anyone tried this? -- Mike D |
SWT & NR - from deep alliance to deep something else
On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 16:46:23 +0100, "Michael R N Dolbear"
wrote: "Roland Perry" wrote Are the discounts only on Oyster off-peak fares? I think they would be all the same in that case. Network cards are strictly "after 10am", whereas the Senior Railcard is "off-peak {may vary locally}"[1], and the F&F/TTG/Disabled Railcard is "After 9.30am". Even TfL admits: "The savings are slightly different for each card." https://tfl.gov.uk/fares-and-payment...discounts-and- concessions/railcards But how do they know, if all railcards are coded the same?? [1] For TfL fares their blanket off-peak is *depart* after 9.30, but for National Rail the senior off-peak is *arrive* after 10am. == This isn't a Railcard matter but an off-peak matter - if you use Oyster on NR I assume depart after 9:30 still applies? No, it varies by proximity of the station to London (Met line), the line or pair of stations being used and which direction you travel :- http://www.oyster-rail.org.uk/peak-off-peak-and-caps/ snip |
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SWT & NR - from deep alliance to deep something else
"Charles Ellson" wrote [1] For TfL fares their blanket off-peak is *depart* after 9.30, but for National Rail the senior off-peak is *arrive* after 10am. == This isn't a Railcard matter but an off-peak matter - if you use Oyster on NR I assume depart after 9:30 still applies? No, it varies by proximity of the station to London (Met line), the line or pair of stations being used and which direction you travel :- http://www.oyster-rail.org.uk/peak-off-peak-and-caps/ snip Thanks, but that still means if you start inside Z6 depart after 9:30 or 04.30-06.30 works at least until 16:00 for NR as well as TfL. Outside the zones, NR may be depart after 9:30 too so a railcard discount except Network card. -- Mike D |
SWT & NR - from deep alliance to deep something else
In message , at 16:46:23 on Fri, 25
Aug 2017, Michael R N Dolbear remarked: "Roland Perry" wrote Are the discounts only on Oyster off-peak fares? I think they would be all the same in that case. Network cards are strictly "after 10am", whereas the Senior Railcard is "off-peak {may vary locally}"[1], and the F&F/TTG/Disabled Railcard is "After 9.30am". Even TfL admits: "The savings are slightly different for each card." https://tfl.gov.uk/fares-and-payment...discounts-and- concessions/railcards But how do they know, if all railcards are coded the same?? [1] For TfL fares their blanket off-peak is *depart* after 9.30, but for National Rail the senior off-peak is *arrive* after 10am. == This isn't a Railcard matter but an off-peak matter - if you use Oyster on NR I assume depart after 9:30 still applies? Network cards should not allowed for Oyster discount Why not, if you are using Oyster to make an NR journey (I've travelled Vauxhall to Waterloo on SWT before now). and F&F/TTG logically can't do it. I'd forgotten that one-Oyster per bum gotcha. -- Roland Perry |
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In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote: In message , at 05:13:52 on Sat, 26 Aug 2017, remarked: Network cards are not relevant to Oyster because they can't give rise to discount entitlements on Oyster. ... Why not, if you are using Oyster to make an NR journey (I've travelled Vauxhall to Waterloo on SWT before now). Not sure what this means with my response corrected. It means: where's the justice in being able to use a Network Card to get a cheaper paper ticket, but not a cheaper Oyster trip? Yes, there are some minimum fares with Network Cards but not at weekends, and now Oyster is accepted at Gatwick and Shenfield that must be more than £15 on weekdays [Later: yes fares Gatwick-Shenfield at least £20] Whatever. The Network Card has never been included in Oyster discounts. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 02:14:56PM +0100, Roland Perry wrote:
Network cards are strictly "after 10am", whereas the Senior Railcard is "off-peak {may vary locally}"[1], and the F&F/TTG/Disabled Railcard is "After 9.30am". There are no restrictions on when the discount for a Disabled railcard applies. -- David Cantrell | Enforcer, South London Linguistic Massive Computer Science is about lofty design goals and careful algorithmic optimisation. Sysadminning is about cleaning up the resulting mess. |
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In message , at 14:32:34
on Wed, 30 Aug 2017, David Cantrell remarked: Network cards are strictly "after 10am", whereas the Senior Railcard is "off-peak {may vary locally}"[1], and the F&F/TTG/Disabled Railcard is "After 9.30am". There are no restrictions on when the discount for a Disabled railcard applies. If true, it makes it even stranger that TfL are refusing to differentiate between different railcards when applying discounts. -- Roland Perry |
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On 30/08/2017 20:34, wrote:
In article , (Roland Perry) wrote: In message , at 14:32:34 on Wed, 30 Aug 2017, David Cantrell remarked: Network cards are strictly "after 10am", whereas the Senior Railcard is "off-peak {may vary locally}"[1], and the F&F/TTG/Disabled Railcard is "After 9.30am". There are no restrictions on when the discount for a Disabled railcard applies. If true, it makes it even stranger that TfL are refusing to differentiate between different railcards when applying discounts. We are assuming that the railcard number, which is recorded against the card, doesn't make the railcard type clear. But isn't the key thing about the Oyster card system is that it is somewhat disconnected - ie it doesn't rely on a backend query to be able to do anything? |
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Somewhere) wrote: On 30/08/2017 20:34, wrote: In article , (Roland Perry) wrote: In message , at 14:32:34 on Wed, 30 Aug 2017, David Cantrell remarked: Network cards are strictly "after 10am", whereas the Senior Railcard is "off-peak {may vary locally}"[1], and the F&F/TTG/Disabled Railcard is "After 9.30am". There are no restrictions on when the discount for a Disabled railcard applies. If true, it makes it even stranger that TfL are refusing to differentiate between different railcards when applying discounts. We are assuming that the railcard number, which is recorded against the card, doesn't make the railcard type clear. But isn't the key thing about the Oyster card system is that it is somewhat disconnected - ie it doesn't rely on a backend query to be able to do anything? The number is recorded on the Oyster card. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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On 25/08/17 14:14, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 13:23:53 on Fri, 25 Aug 2017, Richard remarked: [Choice of Railcards on SWR] This is an ongoing trend. When I had TfL u my senior card onto my Oyster recently, the only option the hilariously mardy and untrained roving chappie had to pick was "National Rail Cards". He insisted they were all treated as one now when it came to validity (mainly time of day, I suppose). I very much doubt that! Are the discounts only on Oyster off-peak fares? I think they would be all the same in that case. Network cards are strictly "after 10am", whereas the Senior Railcard is "off-peak {may vary locally}"[1], and the F&F/TTG/Disabled Railcard is "After 9.30am". With the exception that the Senior Railcard has identical morning restrictions as the Network one for journeys wholly within the Network area. Even TfL admits: "The savings are slightly different for each card." https://tfl.gov.uk/fares-and-payment...discounts-and- concessions/railcards But how do they know, if all railcards are coded the same?? [1] For TfL fares their blanket off-peak is *depart* after 9.30, but for National Rail the senior off-peak is *arrive* after 10am. |
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SWT & NR - from deep alliance to deep something else
In message , at 13:12:13 on Thu, 28
Sep 2017, Martin Coffee remarked: On 25/08/17 14:14, Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 13:23:53 on Fri, 25 Aug 2017, Richard remarked: [Choice of Railcards on SWR] This is an ongoing trend. When I had TfL u my senior card onto my Oyster recently, the only option the hilariously mardy and untrained roving chappie had to pick was "National Rail Cards". He insisted they were all treated as one now when it came to validity (mainly time of day, I suppose). I very much doubt that! Are the discounts only on Oyster off-peak fares? I think they would be all the same in that case. Network cards are strictly "after 10am", whereas the Senior Railcard is "off-peak {may vary locally}"[1], and the F&F/TTG/Disabled Railcard is "After 9.30am". With the exception that the Senior Railcard has identical morning restrictions as the Network one for journeys wholly within the Network area. No!!! That's precisely the point I was making. For example, from where I live (within the NSE area) the first trains I can use a Senior Card: depart 08:58, arr London 10:13 (1st opportunity to arrive after 10am) Network Card: depart 10:07, arr London 11:32 (1st opportunity to depart after 10am) in practice, one would get the next, and faster, train: depart 10:25, arr London 11:35. The Senior card has the same restriction as an Off-peak ticket, whereas the Network Card is so restricted as to be useless for doing anything in London before noon. Even TfL admits: "The savings are slightly different for each card." https://tfl.gov.uk/fares-and-payment...discounts-and- concessions/railcards But how do they know, if all railcards are coded the same?? [1] For TfL fares their blanket off-peak is *depart* after 9.30, but for National Rail the senior off-peak is *arrive* after 10am. -- Roland Perry |
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SWT & NR - from deep alliance to deep something else
On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 01:12:13PM +0100, Martin Coffee wrote:
On 25/08/17 14:14, Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 13:23:53 on Fri, 25 Aug 2017, Richard remarked: Are the discounts only on Oyster off-peak fares? I think they would be all the same in that case. Network cards are strictly "after 10am", whereas the Senior Railcard is "off-peak {may vary locally}"[1], and the F&F/TTG/Disabled Railcard is "After 9.30am". Disabled card discounts apply all the time. -- David Cantrell | A machine for turning tea into grumpiness Today's previously unreported paraphilia is tomorrow's Internet sensation |
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