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Additional Jubilee and Northen trains deferred
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-41572173
Transport for London (TfL) confirmed it was "temporarily pausing" plans to buy more Jubilee and Northern line trains. Improvements aimed to allow trains to run more frequently, TfL had said. London Assembly Conservatives said a budget shortfall had led to the pause. Leaders of the Aslef union said overcrowding would worsen and the delay may force the project's "cancellation". An additional 17 trains were to be bought so the Northern Line could run a 30 trains per hour service at peak times. The Jubilee Line would have had 10 new trains to operate a 36 trains per hour service. Finn Brennan, Aslef's organiser on LU, said: "The Northern line is one of the most overcrowded parts of the Underground and passenger demand is projected to grow by a further 25% by 2023. "Without new trains, overcrowding will get worse and worse." The project had been paused due to a budget shortfall caused by Mayor of London Sadiq Khan's flagship "fares freeze" policy., the assembly's Tories claim. Member Keith Prince said the freeze "blew a £640m hole in TfL's budget." |
Additional Jubilee and Northen trains deferred
On Wed, 11 Oct 2017 03:34:37 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote: The Jubilee Line would have had 10 new trains to operate a 36 trains per hour service. Not sure how the jubilee service could be any more frequent in the rush hour tbh. It already seems to be operating 1 train per minute in the central section. Finn Brennan, Aslef's organiser on LU, said: "The Northern line is one of the most overcrowded parts of the Underground and passenger demand is projected to grow by a further 25% by 2023. "Without new trains, overcrowding will get worse and worse." Well, it can only get to a certain maximum that can be transported. When that happens people will simply find alternative routes. The project had been paused due to a budget shortfall caused by Mayor of London Sadiq Khan's flagship "fares freeze" policy., the assembly's Tories claim. Member Keith Prince said the freeze "blew a £640m hole in TfL's budget." Its worse than that, Khan is in favour of mass immigration to London and can't - or more likely won't - mentally join the dots from that to increased infrastructure requirements. He's your typical morally bankrupt liberal lefty - fly the flag for mass immigration then blame someone else when it starts to cause problems. |
Additional Jubilee and Northen trains deferred
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-sept ember.org, at 03:34:37 on Wed, 11 Oct 2017, Recliner remarked: London Assembly Conservatives said a budget shortfall had led to the pause. Cash running out, all over the transport system it seems. -- Roland Perry |
Additional Jubilee and Northen trains deferred
On Wednesday, 11 October 2017 04:34:42 UTC+1, Recliner wrote:
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-41572173 Transport for London (TfL) confirmed it was "temporarily pausing" plans to buy more Jubilee and Northern line trains. Where "temporarily pausing" means "cancelled, never to be contemplated again". We've been here before and we all know what's going on. "This Parrot has ceased to be. This is an ex LU project." ;-) -- Paul C via Google |
Additional Jubilee and Northen trains deferred
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-sept ember.org, at 03:34:37 on Wed, 11 Oct 2017, Recliner remarked: The project had been paused due to a budget shortfall caused by Mayor of London Sadiq Khan's flagship "fares freeze" policy., the assembly's Tories claim. Or perhaps it's been caused by the electorate voting in someone with that promise in their manifesto. (And in fact only a very watered-down version actually being implemented). -- Roland Perry |
Additional Jubilee and Northen trains deferred
On Wed, 11 Oct 2017 03:34:37 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote: http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-41572173 Transport for London (TfL) confirmed it was "temporarily pausing" plans to buy more Jubilee and Northern line trains. Are they still buying trains for the Northern Line extension? -- jhk |
Additional Jubilee and Northen trains deferred
On Wednesday, 11 October 2017 13:32:28 UTC+1, Jarle Hammen Knudsen wrote:
On Wed, 11 Oct 2017 03:34:37 -0000 (UTC), Recliner wrote: http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-41572173 Transport for London (TfL) confirmed it was "temporarily pausing" plans to buy more Jubilee and Northern line trains. Are they still buying trains for the Northern Line extension? No, nothing is being bought. The existing fleet will have to be worked a little hard. Currently 96 out of 106 trains used in the peak. Probably needs another 2 trains to run to Battersea. Alternatively LU may amend their service levels very slightly to shift a train or two to the via Charing Cross service to reach Battersea. One other factor they will have to cope with is the impact of the works at Bank which may slow trains down slightly due to the extensive tunnelling work being done. That's a short term thing but still affects the timetable. Clearly there are separate issues at Battersea where the developer of the Power Stn redesigned the over station development which means LU has had to redesign to station while the works were on site and this has caused weeks of delay and £240m extra costs. Needless to say a "commercial issue" exists between the parties over who pays. TfL were very reluctant to commit to any firm date as to whether the extension will open by the previously agreed date. They just said it was "very challenging". This was when they appeared recently in front the London Assembly Budget Cttee. -- Paul C via Google |
Additional Jubilee and Northen trains deferred
On Wed, 11 Oct 2017 17:17:20 -0700 (PDT)
Paul Corfield wrote: service to reach Battersea. One other factor they will have to cope with is= the impact of the works at Bank which may slow trains down slightly due to= the extensive tunnelling work being done. That's a short term thing but st= ill affects the timetable. Tunnelling at Bank? Whats this for? I thought all the crosstail tunnelling was complete long ago. |
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Additional Jubilee and Northen trains deferred
On Thu, 12 Oct 2017 08:33:52 +0000 (UTC), wrote:
On Wed, 11 Oct 2017 17:17:20 -0700 (PDT) Paul Corfield wrote: service to reach Battersea. One other factor they will have to cope with is= the impact of the works at Bank which may slow trains down slightly due to= the extensive tunnelling work being done. That's a short term thing but st= ill affects the timetable. Tunnelling at Bank? Whats this for? I thought all the crosstail tunnelling was complete long ago. Nothing to do with Crossrail. https://tfl.gov.uk/corporate/publica...pacity-upgrade |
Additional Jubilee and Northen trains deferred
On Thu, 12 Oct 2017 10:21:13 +0100
David Walters wrote: On Thu, 12 Oct 2017 08:33:52 +0000 (UTC), wrote: On Wed, 11 Oct 2017 17:17:20 -0700 (PDT) Paul Corfield wrote: service to reach Battersea. One other factor they will have to cope with is= the impact of the works at Bank which may slow trains down slightly due to= the extensive tunnelling work being done. That's a short term thing but st= ill affects the timetable. Tunnelling at Bank? Whats this for? I thought all the crosstail tunnelling was complete long ago. Nothing to do with Crossrail. https://tfl.gov.uk/corporate/publica...n-capacity-upg ade Interesting, didn't know about that. I haven't used Bank for a while but it was always overcrowded in the rush hour on the northern line platforms. Can't see how they can improve that short of tunnelling a new diversion tube tunnel like they did at Angel. |
Additional Jubilee and Northen trains deferred
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On Thu, 12 Oct 2017 10:21:13 +0100 David Walters wrote: On Thu, 12 Oct 2017 08:33:52 +0000 (UTC), wrote: On Wed, 11 Oct 2017 17:17:20 -0700 (PDT) Paul Corfield wrote: service to reach Battersea. One other factor they will have to cope with is= the impact of the works at Bank which may slow trains down slightly due to= the extensive tunnelling work being done. That's a short term thing but st= ill affects the timetable. Tunnelling at Bank? Whats this for? I thought all the crosstail tunnelling was complete long ago. Nothing to do with Crossrail. https://tfl.gov.uk/corporate/publica...n-capacity-upg ade Interesting, didn't know about that. I haven't used Bank for a while but it was always overcrowded in the rush hour on the northern line platforms. Can't see how they can improve that short of tunnelling a new diversion tube tunnel like they did at Angel. Nor could they, which is why that's exactly what they're doing. |
Additional Jubilee and Northen trains deferred
On Thu, 12 Oct 2017 11:51:35 +0100
David Walters wrote: On Thu, 12 Oct 2017 09:55:58 +0000 (UTC), wrote: Interesting, didn't know about that. I haven't used Bank for a while but it was always overcrowded in the rush hour on the northern line platforms. Can't see how they can improve that short of tunnelling a new diversion tube tunnel like they did at Angel. That's what they are doing, a new Northern line southbound tunnel. https://tfl.gov.uk/travel-informatio...ank-and-monume t is probably a better page. Thanks. Looks like a massive project, thats a long diversion tunnel. "April - May 2020 (40 days): line closed in both directions Moorgate to Kennington" Thats REALLY not going to go down well. Hope I won't be having to use the line then. |
Additional Jubilee and Northen trains deferred
On Thursday, 12 October 2017 09:33:54 UTC+1, wrote:
Tunnelling at Bank? Whats this for? I thought all the crosstail tunnelling was complete long ago. As others have explained a very large project to add a lot of capacity to Bank Stn. Primarily covers the Northern Line in terms of platform capacity but also adds a new ticket hall on Cannon St and much more interchange capacity. Also makes the station fully accessible but not on the link to Monument IIRC. Another new ticket hall, at Bloomberg Place, for the W&C Line is due to open at the end of this year. This will provide escalator and step free access to the W&C at Bank. -- Paul C via Google |
Additional Jubilee and Northen trains deferred
In message , at 11:51:35 on
Thu, 12 Oct 2017, David Walters remarked: I haven't used Bank for a while but it was always overcrowded in the rush hour on the northern line platforms. Can't see how they can improve that short of tunnelling a new diversion tube tunnel like they did at Angel. That's what they are doing, a new Northern line southbound tunnel. https://tfl.gov.uk/travel-informatio...k-and-monument is probably a better page. "More than 200 engineers and staff will work on site at Bank 24 hours a day until 2021." Opted out of the working time directive, clearly. -- Roland Perry |
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