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mber.org, at 09:19:31 on Mon, 15 Jan 2018, Recliner
remarked:

Virgin Hyperloop One wants to have a fully-working hyperloop transporting
cargo by 2021, with passengers set to follow soon after

In a reverse of the famous meme: "Breakfast in London; lunch in New
York; dinner in San Francisco and baggage in Buenos Aires."

--
Roland Perry

On 15/01/2018 11:09, Recliner wrote:
Someone Somewhere wrote:
On 15/01/2018 09:19, Recliner wrote:
Here's the latest hyperloop hype from CES, now proposed as a means of
providing very fast links between Heathrow, Gatwick and Stansted, instead
of a new runway:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2018/01/14/build-heathrow-gatwick-hyperloop-instead-third-runway-says-branson/

Extracts:

His aspirations to send tourists into space have been notorious for
setbacks, missed deadlines and broken promises. However, Sir Richard
Branson’s latest venture believes it has the answer to Britain’s runway
expansion dilemma, proposing a system of high-speed “hyperloops� to ferry
passengers between London’s airports.

Virgin Hyperloop One, a California start-up chaired by the billionaire, has
been studying the possibility of a series of high-speed tubes between
Heathrow, Gatwick and Stansted which it says would allow passengers to
travel between the airports in as little as five minutes.

It says the hyperloop, a proposed transport system that involves futuristic
pods travelling through low pressure tubes at speeds of up to 670 mph,
would effectively turn London’s three major airports into one “hub�. Virgin
Hyperloop One’s chief executive Rob Lloyd said the plan could remove the
need for a third runway at Heathrow.

“[We’re] thinking about how technology could make it a much different
proposition than the third runway. “You’d think of this as moving between
terminals instead of moving between airports,� he said.

Lloyd said the company’s technical advisory board, made up of researchers
and infrastructure experts, had assessed the possibility of hyperloops
connecting the airports. They estimated it would take five minutes between
Heathrow and Gatwick, and seven to Stansted.

…

However, the idea has been mocked as the epitome of Silicon Valley blue-sky
thinking, with cost estimates already soaring above Musk’s predictions and
engineers warning of the potential safety risks. The only successful tests
of the technology to date have been unmanned trials on Virgin Hyperloop
One’s 500-metre track in the Nevada desert, which have reached a maximum
speed of 240 mph.

It has drawn inevitable comparisons to Virgin Galactic, Sir Richard’s space
tourism venture, which originally planned to start flights in 2011 but has
been repeatedly hit by delays.

Virgin Hyperloop One wants to have a fully-working hyperloop transporting
cargo by 2021, with passengers set to follow soon after, although the
company has not yet signed a deal to build a track and would have several
regulatory barriers to overcome.

In December, a paper published by the Department for Transport said a
hyperloop in the UK would be “at least two decades away�. The DfT’s science
advisory council said potential problems with emergency braking, power
failures and cyber attacks, as well as the need for largely straight
routes, presented a number of “technical challenges�.

… continues

Whilst the idea of linking all the London airports is sensible and
reasonable, how does it do away with the need for a third runway? Last
time I checked slots were at a premium at all London airports and it's
not like they're being used for inter-London flights is it?

Now, the third runway could be a second runway at Gatwick or whatever,
but you still need more overall capacity surely?

Stansted has plenty of spare capacity, and both it and Gatwick are allowed
the night flights that are restricted at Heathrow.

Define "plenty" - it's certainly capacity limited in terms of access and
terminal space for the plethora of early morning Ryanair etc flights.
Ok - I can imagine there's spare during less desirable (for the airlines
mainly) times of day.

Also, do we really want all of London's airports operating at absolute
capacity - surely it would be better to have spare at all times of day
for new flight offerings as appropriate (subject of course to noise
concerns, air corridors and so on), but also in case we lose some of the
capacity for whatever reason (crash, runway tarmac problems and so on)

On Mon, 15 Jan 2018 09:59:42 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 15/01/2018 09:19, Recliner wrote:
Here's the latest hyperloop hype from CES, now proposed as a means of
providing very fast links between Heathrow, Gatwick and Stansted, instead
of a new runway:


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolog...gatwick-hyperl
op-instead-third-runway-says-branson/

Extracts:

His aspirations to send tourists into space have been notorious for
setbacks, missed deadlines and broken promises.

Ah, more anti-Branson hype from the Torygraph, what's the matter,
doesn't he make big enough donations to tory funds?

I suspect his crime, in the Telegraph's view, is that he's strongly
anti-Brexit. And perhaps he fell out with the Barclay twins at some point?

Branson lost his right to comment on Brexit when he ****ed off to live on
his rock in the atlantic and not pay any tax. That, the desperate self
publicity and the blatant hypocrisy** are what get up peoples noses about this
bearded twerp.

** eg recent conversion to the enviromental cause. A bit rich coming from a
man who runs an airline and is probably single handedly responsible for more
CO2 having been generated than anyone else in the UK currently living.

In message , at 11:26:16 on Mon, 15 Jan
2018, Someone Somewhere remarked:

crash, runway tarmac problems and so on

Tarmac is part of Carillion, now.
--
Roland Perry

"Recliner" wrote in message
...
Someone Somewhere wrote:
On 15/01/2018 09:19, Recliner wrote:
Here's the latest hyperloop hype from CES, now proposed as a means of
providing very fast links between Heathrow, Gatwick and Stansted,
instead
of a new runway:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2018/01/14/build-heathrow-gatwick-hyperloop-instead-third-runway-says-branson/

Extracts:

His aspirations to send tourists into space have been notorious for
setbacks, missed deadlines and broken promises. However, Sir Richard
Branson’s latest venture believes it has the answer to Britain’s runway
expansion dilemma, proposing a system of high-speed “hyperloops� to
ferry
passengers between London’s airports.

Virgin Hyperloop One, a California start-up chaired by the billionaire,
has
been studying the possibility of a series of high-speed tubes between
Heathrow, Gatwick and Stansted which it says would allow passengers to
travel between the airports in as little as five minutes.

It says the hyperloop, a proposed transport system that involves
futuristic
pods travelling through low pressure tubes at speeds of up to 670 mph,
would effectively turn London’s three major airports into one “hub�.
Virgin
Hyperloop One’s chief executive Rob Lloyd said the plan could remove the
need for a third runway at Heathrow.

“[We’re] thinking about how technology could make it a much different
proposition than the third runway. “You’d think of this as moving
between
terminals instead of moving between airports,� he said.

Lloyd said the company’s technical advisory board, made up of
researchers
and infrastructure experts, had assessed the possibility of hyperloops
connecting the airports. They estimated it would take five minutes
between
Heathrow and Gatwick, and seven to Stansted.

…

However, the idea has been mocked as the epitome of Silicon Valley
blue-sky
thinking, with cost estimates already soaring above Musk’s predictions
and
engineers warning of the potential safety risks. The only successful
tests
of the technology to date have been unmanned trials on Virgin Hyperloop
One’s 500-metre track in the Nevada desert, which have reached a maximum
speed of 240 mph.

It has drawn inevitable comparisons to Virgin Galactic, Sir Richard’s
space
tourism venture, which originally planned to start flights in 2011 but
has
been repeatedly hit by delays.

Virgin Hyperloop One wants to have a fully-working hyperloop
transporting
cargo by 2021, with passengers set to follow soon after, although the
company has not yet signed a deal to build a track and would have
several
regulatory barriers to overcome.

In December, a paper published by the Department for Transport said a
hyperloop in the UK would be “at least two decades away�. The DfT’s
science
advisory council said potential problems with emergency braking, power
failures and cyber attacks, as well as the need for largely straight
routes, presented a number of “technical challenges�.

… continues

Whilst the idea of linking all the London airports is sensible and
reasonable, how does it do away with the need for a third runway? Last
time I checked slots were at a premium at all London airports and it's
not like they're being used for inter-London flights is it?

Now, the third runway could be a second runway at Gatwick or whatever,
but you still need more overall capacity surely?

Stansted has plenty of spare capacity, and both it and Gatwick are allowed
the night flights that are restricted at Heathrow.

though the number of night flights is tiny, even where they are allowed

They obviously don't fit into a sensible schedule for most routes

I.e. there's zero demand for a 01:00 departure AND a 04:00 landing. People
might suffer one or the other (for a medium/long haul destination), but not
both.

tim

On 15/01/2018 11:04, Someone Somewhere wrote:
On 15/01/2018 09:19, Recliner wrote:
Here's the latest hyperloop hype from CES, now proposed as a means of
providing very fast links between Heathrow, Gatwick and Stansted, instead
of a new runway:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2018/01/14/build-heathrow-gatwick-hyperloop-instead-third-runway-says-branson/


Extracts:

His aspirations to send tourists into space have been notorious for
setbacks, missed deadlines and broken promises. However, Sir Richard
Branson’s latest venture believes it has the answer to Britain’s runway
expansion dilemma, proposing a system of high-speed “hyperloops� to ferry
passengers between London’s airports.

Virgin Hyperloop One, a California start-up chaired by the
billionaire, has
been studying the possibility of a series of high-speed tubes between
Heathrow, Gatwick and Stansted which it says would allow passengers to
travel between the airports in as little as five minutes.

It says the hyperloop, a proposed transport system that involves
futuristic
pods travelling through low pressure tubes at speeds of up to 670 mph,
would effectively turn London’s three major airports into one “hub�.
Virgin
Hyperloop One’s chief executive Rob Lloyd said the plan could remove the
need for a third runway at Heathrow.

“[We’re] thinking about how technology could make it a much different
proposition than the third runway. “You’d think of this as moving between
terminals instead of moving between airports,� he said.

Lloyd said the company’s technical advisory board, made up of researchers
and infrastructure experts, had assessed the possibility of hyperloops
connecting the airports. They estimated it would take five minutes
between
Heathrow and Gatwick, and seven to Stansted.

…

However, the idea has been mocked as the epitome of Silicon Valley
blue-sky
thinking, with cost estimates already soaring above Musk’s predictions
and
engineers warning of the potential safety risks. The only successful
tests
of the technology to date have been unmanned trials on Virgin Hyperloop
One’s 500-metre track in the Nevada desert, which have reached a maximum
speed of 240 mph.

It has drawn inevitable comparisons to Virgin Galactic, Sir Richard’s
space
tourism venture, which originally planned to start flights in 2011 but
has
been repeatedly hit by delays.

Virgin Hyperloop One wants to have a fully-working hyperloop transporting
cargo by 2021, with passengers set to follow soon after, although the
company has not yet signed a deal to build a track and would have several
regulatory barriers to overcome.

In December, a paper published by the Department for Transport said a
hyperloop in the UK would be “at least two decades away�. The DfT’s
science
advisory council said potential problems with emergency braking, power
failures and cyber attacks, as well as the need for largely straight
routes, presented a number of “technical challenges�.

… continues

Whilst the idea of linking all the London airports is sensible and
reasonable, how does it do away with the need for a third runway?Â* Last
time I checked slots were at a premium at all London airports and it's
not like they're being used for inter-London flights is it?

Now, the third runway could be a second runway at Gatwick or whatever,
but you still need more overall capacity surely?

Arguably a second runway at Gatwick is more practical and a lot cheaper
than a third at Heathrow. But the former directly affects more tory
voters than the latter.

--
Graeme Wall
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On Mon, 15 Jan 2018 11:44:45 +0000, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at 11:26:16 on Mon, 15 Jan
2018, Someone Somewhere remarked:

crash, runway tarmac problems and so on

Tarmac is part of Carillion, now.

No it's not:
https://www.tarmac.com/about-us/

On 15/01/2018 11:44, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 11:26:16 on Mon, 15 Jan
2018, Someone Somewhere remarked:

crash, runway tarmac problems and so on

Tarmac is part of Carillion, now.

Can't run(a)way from that…

I'll get my coat.

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 11:26:16 on Mon, 15 Jan
2018, Someone Somewhere remarked:

crash, runway tarmac problems and so on

Tarmac is part of Carillion, now.

You say that with such certainty, but it's not true:
https://www.tarmac.com/about-us/

http://www.tarmac.com/news-and-media/news/2015/august/uk-construction-leader-tarmac-relaunches-under-crh-ownership/

In message , at 12:19:06 on
Mon, 15 Jan 2018, Recliner remarked:

crash, runway tarmac problems and so on

Tarmac is part of Carillion, now.

No it's not:
https://www.tarmac.com/about-us/

That's a different bit of the demerged company, dealing in building
materials, rather than construction.
--
Roland Perry