On Mon, 15 Jan 2018 12:28:37 +0000, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at 12:19:06 on
Mon, 15 Jan 2018, Recliner remarked:

crash, runway tarmac problems and so on

Tarmac is part of Carillion, now.

No it's not:
https://www.tarmac.com/about-us/

That's a different bit of the demerged company, dealing in building
materials, rather than construction.

Indeed, but the Tarmac that exists today isn't part of Carillion.

"Graeme Wall" wrote in message
news
On 15/01/2018 11:04, Someone Somewhere wrote:
On 15/01/2018 09:19, Recliner wrote:
Here's the latest hyperloop hype from CES, now proposed as a means of
providing very fast links between Heathrow, Gatwick and Stansted,
instead
of a new runway:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2018/01/14/build-heathrow-gatwick-hyperloop-instead-third-runway-says-branson/

Extracts:

His aspirations to send tourists into space have been notorious for
setbacks, missed deadlines and broken promises. However, Sir Richard
Branson’s latest venture believes it has the answer to Britain’s runway
expansion dilemma, proposing a system of high-speed “hyperloops� to
ferry
passengers between London’s airports.

Virgin Hyperloop One, a California start-up chaired by the billionaire,
has
been studying the possibility of a series of high-speed tubes between
Heathrow, Gatwick and Stansted which it says would allow passengers to
travel between the airports in as little as five minutes.

It says the hyperloop, a proposed transport system that involves
futuristic
pods travelling through low pressure tubes at speeds of up to 670 mph,
would effectively turn London’s three major airports into one “hub�.
Virgin
Hyperloop One’s chief executive Rob Lloyd said the plan could remove the
need for a third runway at Heathrow.

“[We’re] thinking about how technology could make it a much different
proposition than the third runway. “You’d think of this as moving
between
terminals instead of moving between airports,� he said.

Lloyd said the company’s technical advisory board, made up of
researchers
and infrastructure experts, had assessed the possibility of hyperloops
connecting the airports. They estimated it would take five minutes
between
Heathrow and Gatwick, and seven to Stansted.

…

However, the idea has been mocked as the epitome of Silicon Valley
blue-sky
thinking, with cost estimates already soaring above Musk’s predictions
and
engineers warning of the potential safety risks. The only successful
tests
of the technology to date have been unmanned trials on Virgin Hyperloop
One’s 500-metre track in the Nevada desert, which have reached a maximum
speed of 240 mph.

It has drawn inevitable comparisons to Virgin Galactic, Sir Richard’s
space
tourism venture, which originally planned to start flights in 2011 but
has
been repeatedly hit by delays.

Virgin Hyperloop One wants to have a fully-working hyperloop
transporting
cargo by 2021, with passengers set to follow soon after, although the
company has not yet signed a deal to build a track and would have
several
regulatory barriers to overcome.

In December, a paper published by the Department for Transport said a
hyperloop in the UK would be “at least two decades away�. The DfT’s
science
advisory council said potential problems with emergency braking, power
failures and cyber attacks, as well as the need for largely straight
routes, presented a number of “technical challenges�.

… continues

Whilst the idea of linking all the London airports is sensible and
reasonable, how does it do away with the need for a third runway? Last
time I checked slots were at a premium at all London airports and it's
not like they're being used for inter-London flights is it?

Now, the third runway could be a second runway at Gatwick or whatever,
but you still need more overall capacity surely?

Arguably a second runway at Gatwick is more practical and a lot cheaper
than a third at Heathrow. But the former directly affects more tory
voters than the latter.

in seats that they have zero chance of losing, no matter how much they ****
them off

tim

"Recliner" wrote in message
...
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 11:26:16 on Mon, 15 Jan
2018, Someone Somewhere remarked:

crash, runway tarmac problems and so on

Tarmac is part of Carillion, now.

You say that with such certainty, but it's not true:

really?

TV news has been telling us so all weekend

I have no further info that that

tim

On 15.01.18 11:04, Someone Somewhere wrote:
On 15/01/2018 09:19, Recliner wrote:
Here's the latest hyperloop hype from CES, now proposed as a means of
providing very fast links between Heathrow, Gatwick and Stansted, instead
of a new runway:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2018/01/14/build-heathrow-gatwick-hyperloop-instead-third-runway-says-branson/


Extracts:

His aspirations to send tourists into space have been notorious for
setbacks, missed deadlines and broken promises. However, Sir Richard
Branson’s latest venture believes it has the answer to Britain’s runway
expansion dilemma, proposing a system of high-speed “hyperloops� to ferry
passengers between London’s airports.

Virgin Hyperloop One, a California start-up chaired by the
billionaire, has
been studying the possibility of a series of high-speed tubes between
Heathrow, Gatwick and Stansted which it says would allow passengers to
travel between the airports in as little as five minutes.

It says the hyperloop, a proposed transport system that involves
futuristic
pods travelling through low pressure tubes at speeds of up to 670 mph,
would effectively turn London’s three major airports into one “hub�.
Virgin
Hyperloop One’s chief executive Rob Lloyd said the plan could remove the
need for a third runway at Heathrow.

“[We’re] thinking about how technology could make it a much different
proposition than the third runway. “You’d think of this as moving between
terminals instead of moving between airports,� he said.

Lloyd said the company’s technical advisory board, made up of researchers
and infrastructure experts, had assessed the possibility of hyperloops
connecting the airports. They estimated it would take five minutes
between
Heathrow and Gatwick, and seven to Stansted.

…

However, the idea has been mocked as the epitome of Silicon Valley
blue-sky
thinking, with cost estimates already soaring above Musk’s predictions
and
engineers warning of the potential safety risks. The only successful
tests
of the technology to date have been unmanned trials on Virgin Hyperloop
One’s 500-metre track in the Nevada desert, which have reached a maximum
speed of 240 mph.

It has drawn inevitable comparisons to Virgin Galactic, Sir Richard’s
space
tourism venture, which originally planned to start flights in 2011 but
has
been repeatedly hit by delays.

Virgin Hyperloop One wants to have a fully-working hyperloop transporting
cargo by 2021, with passengers set to follow soon after, although the
company has not yet signed a deal to build a track and would have several
regulatory barriers to overcome.

In December, a paper published by the Department for Transport said a
hyperloop in the UK would be “at least two decades away�. The DfT’s
science
advisory council said potential problems with emergency braking, power
failures and cyber attacks, as well as the need for largely straight
routes, presented a number of “technical challenges�.

… continues

Whilst the idea of linking all the London airports is sensible and
reasonable, how does it do away with the need for a third runway?Â* Last
time I checked slots were at a premium at all London airports and it's
not like they're being used for inter-London flights is it?

Now, the third runway could be a second runway at Gatwick or whatever,
but you still need more overall capacity surely?

Are there shuttle services via helicopter between any of the airports?

In message
-sept
ember.org, at 12:26:37 on Mon, 15 Jan 2018, Recliner
remarked:
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 11:26:16 on Mon, 15 Jan
2018, Someone Somewhere remarked:

crash, runway tarmac problems and so on

Tarmac is part of Carillion, now.

You say that with such certainty, but it's not true:
https://www.tarmac.com/about-us/

http://www.tarmac.com/news-and-media...construction-l
eader-tarmac-relaunches-under-crh-ownership/

That's a different bit of the original Tarmac company. It doesn't build
airports.
--
Roland Perry

On 15/01/2018 14:33, tim... wrote:


"Graeme Wall" wrote in message
news
On 15/01/2018 11:04, Someone Somewhere wrote:
On 15/01/2018 09:19, Recliner wrote:
Here's the latest hyperloop hype from CES, now proposed as a means of
providing very fast links between Heathrow, Gatwick and Stansted,
instead
of a new runway:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2018/01/14/build-heathrow-gatwick-hyperloop-instead-third-runway-says-branson/


Extracts:

His aspirations to send tourists into space have been notorious for
setbacks, missed deadlines and broken promises. However, Sir Richard
Branson’s latest venture believes it has the answer to Britain’s runway
expansion dilemma, proposing a system of high-speed “hyperloops� to
ferry
passengers between London’s airports.

Virgin Hyperloop One, a California start-up chaired by the
billionaire, has
been studying the possibility of a series of high-speed tubes between
Heathrow, Gatwick and Stansted which it says would allow passengers to
travel between the airports in as little as five minutes.

It says the hyperloop, a proposed transport system that involves
futuristic
pods travelling through low pressure tubes at speeds of up to 670 mph,
would effectively turn London’s three major airports into one “hub�.
Virgin
Hyperloop One’s chief executive Rob Lloyd said the plan could remove
the
need for a third runway at Heathrow.

“[We’re] thinking about how technology could make it a much different
proposition than the third runway. “You’d think of this as moving
between
terminals instead of moving between airports,� he said.

Lloyd said the company’s technical advisory board, made up of
researchers
and infrastructure experts, had assessed the possibility of hyperloops
connecting the airports. They estimated it would take five minutes
between
Heathrow and Gatwick, and seven to Stansted.

…

However, the idea has been mocked as the epitome of Silicon Valley
blue-sky
thinking, with cost estimates already soaring above Musk’s
predictions and
engineers warning of the potential safety risks. The only successful
tests
of the technology to date have been unmanned trials on Virgin Hyperloop
One’s 500-metre track in the Nevada desert, which have reached a
maximum
speed of 240 mph.

It has drawn inevitable comparisons to Virgin Galactic, Sir
Richard’s space
tourism venture, which originally planned to start flights in 2011
but has
been repeatedly hit by delays.

Virgin Hyperloop One wants to have a fully-working hyperloop
transporting
cargo by 2021, with passengers set to follow soon after, although the
company has not yet signed a deal to build a track and would have
several
regulatory barriers to overcome.

In December, a paper published by the Department for Transport said a
hyperloop in the UK would be “at least two decades away�. The DfT’s
science
advisory council said potential problems with emergency braking, power
failures and cyber attacks, as well as the need for largely straight
routes, presented a number of “technical challenges�.

… continues

Whilst the idea of linking all the London airports is sensible and
reasonable, how does it do away with the need for a third runway?
Last time I checked slots were at a premium at all London airports
and it's not like they're being used for inter-London flights is it?

Now, the third runway could be a second runway at Gatwick or
whatever, but you still need more overall capacity surely?

Arguably a second runway at Gatwick is more practical and a lot
cheaper than a third at Heathrow.Â* But the former directly affects
more tory voters than the latter.

in seats that they have zero chance of losing, no matter how much they
**** them off

The day of the guaranteed safe seat is probably over.


--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

On 15/01/2018 14:52, wrote:
On 15.01.18 11:04, Someone Somewhere wrote:
On 15/01/2018 09:19, Recliner wrote:
Here's the latest hyperloop hype from CES, now proposed as a means of
providing very fast links between Heathrow, Gatwick and Stansted,
instead
of a new runway:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2018/01/14/build-heathrow-gatwick-hyperloop-instead-third-runway-says-branson/


Extracts:

His aspirations to send tourists into space have been notorious for
setbacks, missed deadlines and broken promises. However, Sir Richard
Branson’s latest venture believes it has the answer to Britain’s runway
expansion dilemma, proposing a system of high-speed “hyperloops� to
ferry
passengers between London’s airports.

Virgin Hyperloop One, a California start-up chaired by the
billionaire, has
been studying the possibility of a series of high-speed tubes between
Heathrow, Gatwick and Stansted which it says would allow passengers to
travel between the airports in as little as five minutes.

It says the hyperloop, a proposed transport system that involves
futuristic
pods travelling through low pressure tubes at speeds of up to 670 mph,
would effectively turn London’s three major airports into one “hub�.
Virgin
Hyperloop One’s chief executive Rob Lloyd said the plan could remove the
need for a third runway at Heathrow.

“[We’re] thinking about how technology could make it a much different
proposition than the third runway. “You’d think of this as moving
between
terminals instead of moving between airports,� he said.

Lloyd said the company’s technical advisory board, made up of
researchers
and infrastructure experts, had assessed the possibility of hyperloops
connecting the airports. They estimated it would take five minutes
between
Heathrow and Gatwick, and seven to Stansted.

…

However, the idea has been mocked as the epitome of Silicon Valley
blue-sky
thinking, with cost estimates already soaring above Musk’s
predictions and
engineers warning of the potential safety risks. The only successful
tests
of the technology to date have been unmanned trials on Virgin Hyperloop
One’s 500-metre track in the Nevada desert, which have reached a maximum
speed of 240 mph.

It has drawn inevitable comparisons to Virgin Galactic, Sir Richard’s
space
tourism venture, which originally planned to start flights in 2011
but has
been repeatedly hit by delays.

Virgin Hyperloop One wants to have a fully-working hyperloop
transporting
cargo by 2021, with passengers set to follow soon after, although the
company has not yet signed a deal to build a track and would have
several
regulatory barriers to overcome.

In December, a paper published by the Department for Transport said a
hyperloop in the UK would be “at least two decades away�. The DfT’s
science
advisory council said potential problems with emergency braking, power
failures and cyber attacks, as well as the need for largely straight
routes, presented a number of “technical challenges�.

… continues

Whilst the idea of linking all the London airports is sensible and
reasonable, how does it do away with the need for a third runway?
Last time I checked slots were at a premium at all London airports and
it's not like they're being used for inter-London flights is it?

Now, the third runway could be a second runway at Gatwick or whatever,
but you still need more overall capacity surely?

Are there shuttle services via helicopter between any of the airports?

The Heathrow-Gatwick helo shuttle hasn't operated since 1986.

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

In message , at 12:49:45 on
Mon, 15 Jan 2018, Recliner remarked:
crash, runway tarmac problems and so on

Tarmac is part of Carillion, now.

No it's not:
https://www.tarmac.com/about-us/

That's a different bit of the demerged company, dealing in building
materials, rather than construction.

Indeed, but the Tarmac that exists today isn't part of Carillion.

But it doesn't maintain the tarmac on runways. I agree the branding is a
bit confusing though.
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 12:49:45 on
Mon, 15 Jan 2018, Recliner remarked:
crash, runway tarmac problems and so on

Tarmac is part of Carillion, now.

No it's not:
https://www.tarmac.com/about-us/

That's a different bit of the demerged company, dealing in building
materials, rather than construction.

Indeed, but the Tarmac that exists today isn't part of Carillion.

But it doesn't maintain the tarmac on runways. I agree the branding is a
bit confusing though.

I doubt that even the original pre-split Tarmac company maintained the
tarmac on runways.

Graeme Wall wrote:
On 15/01/2018 11:04, Someone Somewhere wrote:
On 15/01/2018 09:19, Recliner wrote:
Here's the latest hyperloop hype from CES, now proposed as a means of
providing very fast links between Heathrow, Gatwick and Stansted, instead
of a new runway:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2018/01/14/build-heathrow-gatwick-hyperloop-instead-third-runway-says-branson/



Extracts:

His aspirations to send tourists into space have been notorious for
setbacks, missed deadlines and broken promises. However, Sir Richard
Branson’s latest venture believes it has the answer to Britain’s runway
expansion dilemma, proposing a system of high-speed “hyperloops� to ferry
passengers between London’s airports.

Virgin Hyperloop One, a California start-up chaired by the
billionaire, has
been studying the possibility of a series of high-speed tubes between
Heathrow, Gatwick and Stansted which it says would allow passengers to
travel between the airports in as little as five minutes.

It says the hyperloop, a proposed transport system that involves
futuristic
pods travelling through low pressure tubes at speeds of up to 670 mph,
would effectively turn London’s three major airports into one “hub�.
Virgin
Hyperloop One’s chief executive Rob Lloyd said the plan could remove the
need for a third runway at Heathrow.

“[We’re] thinking about how technology could make it a much different
proposition than the third runway. “You’d think of this as moving between
terminals instead of moving between airports,� he said.

Lloyd said the company’s technical advisory board, made up of researchers
and infrastructure experts, had assessed the possibility of hyperloops
connecting the airports. They estimated it would take five minutes
between
Heathrow and Gatwick, and seven to Stansted.

…

However, the idea has been mocked as the epitome of Silicon Valley
blue-sky
thinking, with cost estimates already soaring above Musk’s predictions
and
engineers warning of the potential safety risks. The only successful
tests
of the technology to date have been unmanned trials on Virgin Hyperloop
One’s 500-metre track in the Nevada desert, which have reached a maximum
speed of 240 mph.

It has drawn inevitable comparisons to Virgin Galactic, Sir Richard’s
space
tourism venture, which originally planned to start flights in 2011 but
has
been repeatedly hit by delays.

Virgin Hyperloop One wants to have a fully-working hyperloop transporting
cargo by 2021, with passengers set to follow soon after, although the
company has not yet signed a deal to build a track and would have several
regulatory barriers to overcome.

In December, a paper published by the Department for Transport said a
hyperloop in the UK would be “at least two decades away�. The DfT’s
science
advisory council said potential problems with emergency braking, power
failures and cyber attacks, as well as the need for largely straight
routes, presented a number of “technical challenges�.

… continues

Whilst the idea of linking all the London airports is sensible and
reasonable, how does it do away with the need for a third runway?Â* Last
time I checked slots were at a premium at all London airports and it's
not like they're being used for inter-London flights is it?

Now, the third runway could be a second runway at Gatwick or whatever,
but you still need more overall capacity surely?

Arguably a second runway at Gatwick is more practical and a lot cheaper
than a third at Heathrow. But the former directly affects more tory
voters than the latter.


The commission found that both the costs and the benefits were lower at
Gatwick, but Heathrow was better overall.