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New tube map has mistake
On Wednesday, 23 May 2018 12:31:45 UTC+1, Basil Jet wrote:
https://londonist.com/london/transpo...s-new-tube-map That is pretty poor. Surely proofreading these isn't hard: just give one each to about 10 people and ask for opinions. |
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On 2018\05\23 17:39, Offramp wrote:
On Wednesday, 23 May 2018 12:31:45 UTC+1, Basil Jet wrote: https://londonist.com/london/transpo...s-new-tube-map That is pretty poor. Surely proofreading these isn't hard: just give one each to about 10 people and ask for opinions. Surely the author should have had the ability to have this version in the foreground and have the previous one in the background and flip between them repeatedly to make sure all differences are intentional? |
New tube map has mistake
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On Wednesday, 23 May 2018 12:31:45 UTC+1, Basil Jet wrote: https://londonist.com/london/transpo...s-new-tube-map That is pretty poor. Surely proofreading these isn't hard: just give one each to about 10 people and ask for opinions. Actually, proofreading is amazingly hard, particularly for stuff like this that's all details. Once I found an egregious grammatical error in the mss for one of my books and looked back and found that it was also in the previous two editions despite both of the authors and multiple editors proofreading them. I'm not saying this is an excuse, but it's definitely a reason. -- Regards, John Levine, , Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly |
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On 2018\05\23 12:31, Basil Jet wrote:
https://londonist.com/london/transpo...s-new-tube-map I've now got the hand-held version of the new Tube map. I can't work out what the purple things on the front are... shrapnel from an exploding Crossrail substation? |
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"John Levine" wrote in message ... In article you write: On Wednesday, 23 May 2018 12:31:45 UTC+1, Basil Jet wrote: https://londonist.com/london/transpo...s-new-tube-map That is pretty poor. Surely proofreading these isn't hard: just give one each to about 10 people and ask for opinions. Actually, proofreading is amazingly hard, particularly for stuff like this that's all details. Once I found an egregious grammatical error in the mss for one of my books and looked back and found that it was also in the previous two editions despite both of the authors and multiple editors proofreading them. I'm not saying this is an excuse, but it's definitely a reason. -- Regards, John Levine, , Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly |
New tube map has mistake
"John Levine" wrote in message ... In article you write: On Wednesday, 23 May 2018 12:31:45 UTC+1, Basil Jet wrote: https://londonist.com/london/transpo...s-new-tube-map That is pretty poor. Surely proofreading these isn't hard: just give one each to about 10 people and ask for opinions. Actually, proofreading is amazingly hard, particularly for stuff like this that's all details. Once I found an egregious grammatical error in the mss for one of my books and looked back and found that it was also in the previous two editions despite both of the authors and multiple editors proofreading them. Oops I latterly discovered that I had been sending my CV out for 20 years with "a through" instead of "a thorough" (understanding of ...) tim |
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There is another error (by omission) on there. LHR is shown in Zone 6 for both tube and TfL Rail. However it is only Z6 for travel cards and season tickets. For PAYG on TfL Rail the fare is 12 quid each way from Paddington as opposed to 6 by tube. There is a daily cap in operation but that only helps if you are going both ways, I assume TfL don't care on the assumption that they will generally fleece departing visitors but in these social media days it won't take long before people start leaving negative comments. Clearly TfL now prioritise cash over reputation...
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jon b wrote: There is another error (by omission) on there. LHR is shown in Zone 6 for both tube and TfL Rail. However it is only Z6 for travel cards and season tickets. For PAYG on TfL Rail the fare is 12 quid each way from Paddington as opposed to 6 by tube. Hey, it's now a super cheap £10.20 peak, £10.10 off peak, £6.65 with a railcard. It is not my impression that many tourists ever took the Connect. They take the heavily touted HeX or the underground. I even know people who swear by the coach to Victoria, but I don't understand why other than that they believe that all airports are the same and their home airport only has coaches. -- Regards, John Levine, , Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly |
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John Levine wrote:
It is not my impression that many tourists ever took the Connect. I think that's intentional. HEX signage in the T2/T3 walkway is overwhelming, along with the agents selling tickets in the hallway. LU platform is easy to find and buy tickets for. |
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In message krargd13aokfbrsq1kbnh9uroqh767gui9@None, at 14:11:45 on
Tue, 29 May 2018, Arthur Conan Doyle remarked: It is not my impression that many tourists ever took the Connect. I think that's intentional. HEX signage in the T2/T3 walkway is overwhelming, along with the agents selling tickets in the hallway. LU platform is easy to find and buy tickets for. Connect was never primarily intended for the public to use, it's basically an airport-staff-train that others can catch if they really insist. -- Roland Perry |
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On 29/05/2018 21:39, Roland Perry wrote:
In message krargd13aokfbrsq1kbnh9uroqh767gui9@None, at 14:11:45 on Tue, 29 May 2018, Arthur Conan Doyle remarked: It is not my impression that many tourists ever took the Connect. I think that's intentional. HEX signage in the T2/T3 walkway is overwhelming, along with the agents selling tickets in the hallway. LU platform is easy to find and buy tickets for. Connect was never primarily intended for the public to use, it's basically an airport-staff-train that others can catch if they really insist. This is often repeated, but I've never seen any evidence of the fact - can you cite something? |
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2018, Someone Somewhere remarked: On 29/05/2018 21:39, Roland Perry wrote: In message krargd13aokfbrsq1kbnh9uroqh767gui9@None, at 14:11:45 on Tue, 29 May 2018, Arthur Conan Doyle remarked: It is not my impression that many tourists ever took the Connect. I think that's intentional. HEX signage in the T2/T3 walkway is overwhelming, along with the agents selling tickets in the hallway. LU platform is easy to find and buy tickets for. Connect was never primarily intended for the public to use, it's basically an airport-staff-train that others can catch if they really insist. This is often repeated, but I've never seen any evidence of the fact - can you cite something? You'd probably have to look for Heathrow Airport strategic travel plans. -- Roland Perry |
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Roland Perry wrote: Connect was never primarily intended for the public to use, it's basically an airport-staff-train that others can catch if they really insist. This is often repeated, but I've never seen any evidence of the fact - can you cite something? You'd probably have to look for Heathrow Airport strategic travel plans. The fares certainly give you that message. The single fares are rather high, but the commuter fares are the same as for the tube. Before the recent change, you could get a 75% discount on adult single and season tickets if you had an airport ID. That seems fairly clear. https://web.archive.org/web/20170421...irport-workers -- Regards, John Levine, , Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly |
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Roland Perry wrote:
You'd probably have to look for Heathrow Airport strategic travel plans. This article is quite dated, and I'm not sure the detail about fares is still valid, but it does show there was intent to protect HX. http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/s...o-takeoff.html "Because Heathrow Connect services will not be advertised as through trains and will always be overtaken en route, Murphy believes most London - Heathrow passengers will continue to use the fast trains. There will be no through tickets other than the full Heathrow Express fares." |
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Arthur Conan Doyle wrote:
Roland Perry wrote: You'd probably have to look for Heathrow Airport strategic travel plans. This article is quite dated, and I'm not sure the detail about fares is still valid, but it does show there was intent to protect HX. http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/s...o-takeoff.html "Because Heathrow Connect services will not be advertised as through trains and will always be overtaken en route, Murphy believes most London - Heathrow passengers will continue to use the fast trains. There will be no through tickets other than the full Heathrow Express fares." Thanks, that's an interesting article from 14 years ago. It's an interesting reminder of how projects slip even when they're not notoriously delayed: "In the longer term, Heathrow Connect may be absorbed by Crossrail Line 1, which plans to operate four trains/h into Heathrow Airport from around 2014. BAA Rail is also pushing ahead with the Airtrack project to extend the Terminal 5 branch to carry local services to and from the southwest suburbs." So the full Crossrail 1 will finally run to Heathrow more than five years later than was expected back in 2004, and Airtrack is still no more than a (renamed) concept, with no possibility of opening before 2030. |
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In message plbugd5l9bn063hcp5efr64251h2eoor4q@None, at 17:09:24 on
Wed, 30 May 2018, Arthur Conan Doyle remarked: Roland Perry wrote: You'd probably have to look for Heathrow Airport strategic travel plans. This article is quite dated, and I'm not sure the detail about fares is still valid, but it does show there was intent to protect HX. With respect to airline passengers. That leaves airport workers (who get subsidised fares too). http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/s...ow-connect-clo se-to-takeoff.html "Because Heathrow Connect services will not be advertised as through trains and will always be overtaken en route, Murphy believes most London - Heathrow passengers will continue to use the fast trains. There will be no through tickets other than the full Heathrow Express fares." -- Roland Perry |
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-sept ember.org, at 23:28:08 on Wed, 30 May 2018, Recliner remarked: http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/s...o-takeoff.html "Because Heathrow Connect services will not be advertised as through trains and will always be overtaken en route, Murphy believes most London - Heathrow passengers will continue to use the fast trains. There will be no through tickets other than the full Heathrow Express fares." Thanks, that's an interesting article from 14 years ago. It's an interesting reminder of how projects slip even when they're not notoriously delayed: "In the longer term, Heathrow Connect may be absorbed by Crossrail Line 1, which plans to operate four trains/h into Heathrow Airport from around 2014. BAA Rail is also pushing ahead with the Airtrack project to extend the Terminal 5 branch to carry local services to and from the southwest suburbs." So the full Crossrail 1 will finally run to Heathrow more than five years later than was expected back in 2004, and Airtrack is still no more than a (renamed) concept, with no possibility of opening before 2030. BAA was issuing maps in 1998 showing Heathrow Express to St Pancras [via West Hampstead] "From 2001", plus undated Airtrack and the western link to GWML. London Underground in 1995, were claiming St Pancras would open for Channel Tunnel traffic in 2002 and the Jubilee Line extension to Stratford by 1998. Crossrail was "planned" (no date given). Other projects included the Croxley Rail link, the East London Line Extension (finally opened in 2010), and the least delayed item the Heathrow T5 station, opened in 2008 versus a predicted 2003. -- Roland Perry |
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Roland Perry wrote:
In message -sept ember.org, at 23:28:08 on Wed, 30 May 2018, Recliner remarked: http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/s...o-takeoff.html "Because Heathrow Connect services will not be advertised as through trains and will always be overtaken en route, Murphy believes most London - Heathrow passengers will continue to use the fast trains. There will be no through tickets other than the full Heathrow Express fares." Thanks, that's an interesting article from 14 years ago. It's an interesting reminder of how projects slip even when they're not notoriously delayed: "In the longer term, Heathrow Connect may be absorbed by Crossrail Line 1, which plans to operate four trains/h into Heathrow Airport from around 2014. BAA Rail is also pushing ahead with the Airtrack project to extend the Terminal 5 branch to carry local services to and from the southwest suburbs." So the full Crossrail 1 will finally run to Heathrow more than five years later than was expected back in 2004, and Airtrack is still no more than a (renamed) concept, with no possibility of opening before 2030. BAA was issuing maps in 1998 showing Heathrow Express to St Pancras [via West Hampstead] "From 2001", plus undated Airtrack and the western link to GWML. London Underground in 1995, were claiming St Pancras would open for Channel Tunnel traffic in 2002 and the Jubilee Line extension to Stratford by 1998. That was close: it opened in 1999. Crossrail was "planned" (no date given). Other projects included the Croxley Rail link, the East London Line Extension (finally opened in 2010), and the least delayed item the Heathrow T5 station, opened in 2008 versus a predicted 2003. At least it opened along with the terminal. |
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"Roland Perry" wrote in message ... In message plbugd5l9bn063hcp5efr64251h2eoor4q@None, at 17:09:24 on Wed, 30 May 2018, Arthur Conan Doyle remarked: Roland Perry wrote: You'd probably have to look for Heathrow Airport strategic travel plans. This article is quite dated, and I'm not sure the detail about fares is still valid, but it does show there was intent to protect HX. With respect to airline passengers. That leaves airport workers (who get subsidised fares too). Surely the point about airport workers is that they are going to be making a journey from one of the local stations Almost none of them are going to be doing a journey for which a fast service from Padd is helpful tim |
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-sept ember.org, at 08:20:54 on Thu, 31 May 2018, Recliner remarked: London Underground in 1995, were claiming St Pancras would open for Channel Tunnel traffic in 2002 and the Jubilee Line extension to Stratford by 1998. That was close: it opened in 1999. "Construction officially started in December 1993, expected to take 53 months [#8, which is Hansard June 1993]." (Wikipedia) 1/1/93+53mths = Jun97; thus I suspect the "by 1998" above was an attempt to convey "might slip to the end of 1997". I'll give the benefit of the doubt to Wikipedia that subsequent dates quoted are a correct reflection of the cites... "By November 1997 a September 1998 date was planned.[10] By June 1998, opening was planned in Spring 1999.[11] By November 1998, a phased opening, previously rejected, was being considered, with Stratford to North Greenwich planned for spring 1999, to Waterloo for summer 1999, and the link to the Jubilee line for autumn 1999.[12][13] This scheme was followed, with the first phase opening on 14 May 1999, the second on 24 September, and the third on 20 November. Westminster, complicated by the interface with the subsurface platforms, which remained in operation, opened on 22 December 1999, shortly before the Millennium Dome deadline". So yes, a gentle slide, rather than a major calamity. -- Roland Perry |
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Roland Perry wrote:
In message -sept ember.org, at 08:20:54 on Thu, 31 May 2018, Recliner remarked: London Underground in 1995, were claiming St Pancras would open for Channel Tunnel traffic in 2002 and the Jubilee Line extension to Stratford by 1998. That was close: it opened in 1999. "Construction officially started in December 1993, expected to take 53 months [#8, which is Hansard June 1993]." (Wikipedia) 1/1/93+53mths = Jun97; thus I suspect the "by 1998" above was an attempt to convey "might slip to the end of 1997". Er, Dec 1993 isn't 1/1/93. 53 months after Dec 1993 would be April 1998. I'll give the benefit of the doubt to Wikipedia that subsequent dates quoted are a correct reflection of the cites... "By November 1997 a September 1998 date was planned.[10] By June 1998, opening was planned in Spring 1999.[11] By November 1998, a phased opening, previously rejected, was being considered, with Stratford to North Greenwich planned for spring 1999, to Waterloo for summer 1999, and the link to the Jubilee line for autumn 1999.[12][13] This scheme was followed, with the first phase opening on 14 May 1999, the second on 24 September, and the third on 20 November. Westminster, complicated by the interface with the subsurface platforms, which remained in operation, opened on 22 December 1999, shortly before the Millennium Dome deadline". So yes, a gentle slide, rather than a major calamity. The bigger slippage was the signalling. The originally planned moving block signalling had to be hurriedly replaced by conventional signalling so as to get the extension open during 1999, just in time for the hard deadline of the midnight party in the big tent. In fact, they only got the moving block signalling working in mid 2011, just before the next hard deadline of the London Olympics: http://www.risktec.tuv.com/knowledge-bank/technical-articles/sending-the-right-signals---new-signalling-technology-for-the-jubilee-line.aspx |
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-sept ember.org, at 10:17:43 on Thu, 31 May 2018, Recliner remarked: Roland Perry wrote: In message -sept ember.org, at 08:20:54 on Thu, 31 May 2018, Recliner remarked: London Underground in 1995, were claiming St Pancras would open for Channel Tunnel traffic in 2002 and the Jubilee Line extension to Stratford by 1998. That was close: it opened in 1999. "Construction officially started in December 1993, expected to take 53 months [#8, which is Hansard June 1993]." (Wikipedia) 1/1/93+53mths = Jun97; thus I suspect the "by 1998" above was an attempt to convey "might slip to the end of 1997". Er, Dec 1993 isn't 1/1/93. 53 months after Dec 1993 would be April 1998. True, I really meant 1/1/94 (I doubt they did much over the Xmas break), so we appear to have converged on "by the end of Q2 1998". I'll give the benefit of the doubt to Wikipedia that subsequent dates quoted are a correct reflection of the cites... "By November 1997 a September 1998 date was planned.[10] By June 1998, opening was planned in Spring 1999.[11] By November 1998, a phased opening, previously rejected, was being considered, with Stratford to North Greenwich planned for spring 1999, to Waterloo for summer 1999, and the link to the Jubilee line for autumn 1999.[12][13] This scheme was followed, with the first phase opening on 14 May 1999, the second on 24 September, and the third on 20 November. Westminster, complicated by the interface with the subsurface platforms, which remained in operation, opened on 22 December 1999, shortly before the Millennium Dome deadline". So yes, a gentle slide, rather than a major calamity. The bigger slippage was the signalling. The originally planned moving block Biggest cause of the slippage, perhaps, but every project will have one of those, and it's failing to allow for that inevitability which is the downfall of most such early predictions. -- Roland Perry |
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