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Subway (New York) vs Underground (London) [Quite long]
On Sun, 4 Apr 2004 at 14:03:03, John Rowland
wrote: "Annabel Smyth" wrote in message ... According to some sources, they can't do the "next train" indicators that we have, as it's "too complex", which I think is b*ll*cks, but there you are..... Well, LUL can't do the next train indicators either, at least they can't do them properly! True, but at least they give you some idea! But at least once you know where you are going, and which train to take, you get a 24-hour service, on admittedly less comfortable, but also less crowded trains. You can't really complain about them being less comfortable and then praise them for being less crowded, because the two go together. As soon as a transport system starts using plastic seats, it is seen as a distress purchase and is shunned by anyone who thinks they are above the hoi poloi, solving any overcrowding problem within weeks. Yeah, you have a point. But then, didn't the unlamented Mrs Thatcher once say that nobody over 30 should be seen on a bus, or something? Hmmm...... -- Annabel Smyth http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/index.html Website updated 8 March 2004 |
Subway (New York) vs Underground (London) [Quite long]
In message , Annabel Smyth
writes Yeah, you have a point. But then, didn't the unlamented Mrs Thatcher once say that nobody over 30 should be seen on a bus, or something? Hmmm...... My personal favourite was her reported reply, when advised about the need for a Chelsea - Hackney tube line: "Why would anyone from Chelsea want to go to Hackney?" -- Ian Jelf, MITG, Birmingham, UK Registered "Blue Badge" Tourist Guide for London & the Heart of England http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk |
Subway (New York) vs Underground (London) [Quite long]
"Annabel Smyth" wrote in message
... On Sun, 4 Apr 2004 at 14:03:03, John Rowland wrote: "Annabel Smyth" wrote in message ... According to some sources, they can't do the "next train" indicators that we have, as it's "too complex", which I think is b*ll*cks, but there you are..... Well, LUL can't do the next train indicators either, at least they can't do them properly! True, but at least they give you some idea! What I meant was that although they are very useful on the Victoria Line and certain other lines, there are stations on the Circle Line where the nice multiline LED displays only tell you about one train[1], and only when it is practically in the station anyway. The Piccadilly Line displays are great at telling you about the next three trains to Heathrow but neglecting to give any clues about the next train to Rayners. It is almost as if the system was bought off the shelf, having been originally designed for a network with simpler lines (such as Tokyo or Paris Metro). [1] That's one LU train, not one ONE train. -- John Rowland - Spamtrapped Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001 http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood. That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line - It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes |
Subway (New York) vs Underground (London) [Quite long]
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-- Annabel Smyth http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/index.html Website updated 8 March 2004 Hey Annabel, the above link dosen't exist, but found your pix on following link: http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/photos/ ......You're a chunky, goodlooking tootsie who seems to be quite agile on a skating rink! |
Subway (New York) vs Underground (London) [Quite long]
John Rowland wrote:
"Annabel Smyth" wrote in message ... On Sun, 4 Apr 2004 at 14:03:03, John Rowland wrote: "Annabel Smyth" wrote in message ... According to some sources, they can't do the "next train" indicators that we have, as it's "too complex", which I think is b*ll*cks, but there you are..... Well, LUL can't do the next train indicators either, at least they can't do them properly! True, but at least they give you some idea! What I meant was that although they are very useful on the Victoria Line and certain other lines, there are stations on the Circle Line where the nice multiline LED displays only tell you about one train[1], and only when it is practically in the station anyway. The Piccadilly Line displays are great at telling you about the next three trains to Heathrow but neglecting to give any clues about the next train to Rayners. It is almost as if the system was bought off the shelf, having been originally designed for a network with simpler lines (such as Tokyo or Paris Metro). [1] That's one LU train, not one ONE train. You know I never even considered that it would be more useful to show the next trains to Heathrow and Rayners Lane rather than just the next three trains whereever they go. I suspect that it wouldn't cause much problem on the Piccadilly technically... but I think they prefer people to just get on the first train to Acton anyway if there's no Rayners in the next three, to ease possible overcrowding. After all, in the winter when you're waiting in a warm tunnel, if you knew the next Rayners train was in ten minutes and that it was the fifth train, would you still get the first train to Acton Town and change...? -- Dave Arquati Imperial College, SW7 www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London |
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"C stock" wrote in message
... Hey Annabel, the above link dosen't exist, but found your pix on following link: http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/photos/ .....You're a chunky, goodlooking tootsie who seems to be quite agile on a skating rink! Less of your lip, or she'll give you a right hook, like she gave this chap! http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/photos/P014.jpg -- John Rowland - Spamtrapped Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001 http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood. That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line - It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes |
Subway (New York) vs Underground (London) [Quite long]
On Mon, 5 Apr 2004 at 15:20:53, John Rowland
wrote: What I meant was that although they are very useful on the Victoria Line and certain other lines, there are stations on the Circle Line where the nice multiline LED displays only tell you about one train[1], and only when it is practically in the station anyway. The Piccadilly Line displays are great at telling you about the next three trains to Heathrow but neglecting to give any clues about the next train to Rayners. It is almost as if the system was bought off the shelf, having been originally designed for a network with simpler lines (such as Tokyo or Paris Metro). Seems to work pretty well on the Northern Line, though, than which you can't get much more complicated. I'm learning rather more about its vagaries than I ever wished to know, at the moment..... the Jubilee line seems far simpler. Although who, who, recorded the bright and breezy voice that says "Willesden Green!" after the rather dreary "This train terminates at"..... -- Annabel Smyth http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/index.html Website updated 8 March 2004 |
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On Mon, 5 Apr 2004 at 18:54:16, John Rowland
wrote: "C stock" wrote in message ... Hey Annabel, the above link dosen't exist, but found your pix on following link: http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/photos/ .....You're a chunky, goodlooking tootsie who seems to be quite agile on a skating rink! Less of your lip, or she'll give you a right hook, like she gave this chap! http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/photos/P014.jpg Indeed I might! Link is working now, by the way - thanks for pointing out that it wasn't. -- Annabel Smyth http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/index.html Website updated 8 March 2004 |
Subway (New York) vs Underground (London) [Quite long]
On Mon, 5 Apr 2004 15:20:53 +0100, "John Rowland"
wrote: [dmis] What I meant was that although they are very useful on the Victoria Line and certain other lines, there are stations on the Circle Line where the nice multiline LED displays only tell you about one train[1], and only when it is practically in the station anyway. The Piccadilly Line displays are great at telling you about the next three trains to Heathrow but neglecting to give any clues about the next train to Rayners. It is almost as if the system was bought off the shelf, having been originally designed for a network with simpler lines (such as Tokyo or Paris Metro). While I acknowledge the points that you have made about refining the information provision the main point is that the dot matrix indicators (DMIs) were a simple upgrade off the back of existing signalling systems. In the case of the Circle the signalling system and design is not sophisticated enough to look back far enough to correctly determine the sequence of trains. There is also the issue of trains terminating / departing at key junctions (edgware rd, aldgate) that add to the complication as to what will be e.g the next s/b train at Paddington on the Circle / District line. The Jubilee Line and Central Lines are better because there is a much more up to date control system which can better understand where the trains are relative to the timetable and can therefore provide a better prediction of arrival times and destinations to both the controller and to the DMIs. Almost every other LUL line is decades behind modern day practice - new displays will be provided at all stations and when Line Upgrades come into operation there should be the level of sophistication of information that deals with the network's apparent complications. I look forward to that day. -- Paul C Admits to working for London Underground! |
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