"John Williamson" wrote in message
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On 11/06/2018 09:35, wrote:

No one would want to fly from heathrow if it didn't have 2 rail links and
a motorway going to it.

For about half the passengers who fly in to and out of Heathrow, the

I'd be surprised if it's as much as 50%

10% would be nearer my guess (I can't actually find the number)

LHR is a ****ty (and expensive) place to connect at.

road and rail links outside the airport don't matter, as they fly in from
one airport, possibly change terminals, and fly out to another one.

This is the target audience for expansion,

and is IMHO a target market that we should not be seeking

London/SE England/rUK is a popular enough market in itself to attract
passengers and make the airport vibrant.

Subjecting a much greater number of residents of West Londoner to
unacceptable noise levels, just to attract connecting passages is not a game
we should be entering (IMHO).

as Heathrow is the biggest hub airport in Europe,

is it?

It might be the biggest airport that's a hub. I doubt very much it is the
airport with the largest number of connecting passengers.

and has a wider choice of international destinations than any other.

No it doesn't

one of the stated reasons for claiming that we need the extra runway is that
it has fallen behind in terms of choice of destinations

tim

On Mon, 11 Jun 2018 12:21:52 +0100, "tim..."
wrote:



"John Williamson" wrote in message
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On 11/06/2018 09:35, wrote:

No one would want to fly from heathrow if it didn't have 2 rail links and
a motorway going to it.

For about half the passengers who fly in to and out of Heathrow, the

I'd be surprised if it's as much as 50%

Prepare to be surprised: it's 30%


10% would be nearer my guess (I can't actually find the number)

It takes less time to find than it took you to say you couldn't find
it.
https://www.heathrow.com/company/company-news-and-information/company-information/facts-and-figures


LHR is a ****ty (and expensive) place to connect at.

True, it's what comes of having multiple, widely-separated terminals.
It's not bad if the transfer is within one terminal, but pretty bad if
it involves a bus journey between terminals.


road and rail links outside the airport don't matter, as they fly in from
one airport, possibly change terminals, and fly out to another one.

This is the target audience for expansion,

and is IMHO a target market that we should not be seeking

London/SE England/rUK is a popular enough market in itself to attract
passengers and make the airport vibrant.

Subjecting a much greater number of residents of West Londoner to
unacceptable noise levels, just to attract connecting passages is not a game
we should be entering (IMHO).

as Heathrow is the biggest hub airport in Europe,

is it?

It might be the biggest airport that's a hub. I doubt very much it is the
airport with the largest number of connecting passengers.

That may well be true: AMS or CDG may be ahead in terms of transfer
passengers.


and has a wider choice of international destinations than any other.

No it doesn't

True. In fact, even Gatwick has more foreign destinations than
Heathrow, and I've had to use hubs in Amsterdam, Madrid and Paris to
travel to airports that really ought to have direct UK flights.

"Heathrow serves 185 destinations in 84 countries, while Gatwick
serves 200 destinations in 90 countries."

https://www.pinkelephantparking.com/heathrow-vs-gatwick-the-facts/


one of the stated reasons for claiming that we need the extra runway is that
it has fallen behind in terms of choice of destinations

True

In message , at 12:41:06 on
Mon, 11 Jun 2018, Recliner remarked:

10% would be nearer my guess (I can't actually find the number)

It takes less time to find than it took you to say you couldn't find
it.

sigh the Tim effect in its full glory.
--
Roland Perry

"Recliner" wrote in message
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On Mon, 11 Jun 2018 12:21:52 +0100, "tim..."
wrote:



"John Williamson" wrote in message
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On 11/06/2018 09:35, wrote:

No one would want to fly from heathrow if it didn't have 2 rail links
and
a motorway going to it.

For about half the passengers who fly in to and out of Heathrow, the

I'd be surprised if it's as much as 50%

Prepare to be surprised: it's 30%

how is 30% *as much as" 50%


10% would be nearer my guess (I can't actually find the number)

It takes less time to find than it took you to say you couldn't find
it.
https://www.heathrow.com/company/company-news-and-information/company-information/facts-and-figures

only if you know which of the 100s of links that you get is the one that you
need to open

what I meant was the details did not appear in the summary

I clicked on a few, but none of them gave me the data that I was looking
for.

I didn't have time for the other 397.

LHR is a ****ty (and expensive) place to connect at.

True, it's what comes of having multiple, widely-separated terminals.
It's not bad if the transfer is within one terminal, but pretty bad if
it involves a bus journey between terminals.


road and rail links outside the airport don't matter, as they fly in
from
one airport, possibly change terminals, and fly out to another one.

This is the target audience for expansion,

and is IMHO a target market that we should not be seeking

London/SE England/rUK is a popular enough market in itself to attract
passengers and make the airport vibrant.

Subjecting a much greater number of residents of West Londoner to
unacceptable noise levels, just to attract connecting passages is not a
game
we should be entering (IMHO).

as Heathrow is the biggest hub airport in Europe,

is it?

It might be the biggest airport that's a hub. I doubt very much it is the
airport with the largest number of connecting passengers.

That may well be true: AMS or CDG may be ahead in terms of transfer
passengers.


and has a wider choice of international destinations than any other.

No it doesn't

True. In fact, even Gatwick has more foreign destinations than
Heathrow, and I've had to use hubs in Amsterdam, Madrid and Paris to
travel to airports that really ought to have direct UK flights.

"Heathrow serves 185 destinations in 84 countries, while Gatwick
serves 200 destinations in 90 countries."

https://www.pinkelephantparking.com/heathrow-vs-gatwick-the-facts/

Thanks

tim

On 11/06/2018 12:21, tim... wrote:

I'd be surprised if it's as much as 50%

10% would be nearer my guess (I can't actually find the number)

Half is a slightly misremembered approximation. LHR claim 30%.



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John.