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June 11th 18, 01:40 PM
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Plan to pedestrianise London's Oxford Street scrapped
On Mon, 11 Jun 2018 13:00:39 +0100
Robin wrote: On 11/06/2018 11:53, wrote: On Mon, 11 Jun 2018 11:15:01 +0100 John Williamson wrote: On 11/06/2018 09:35, wrote: No one would want to fly from heathrow if it didn't have 2 rail links and a motorway going to it. For about half the passengers who fly in to and out of Heathrow, the road and rail links outside the airport don't matter, as they fly in from one airport, possibly change terminals, and fly out to another one. Which means there's even less reason not to use Manston. This is the target audience for expansion, as Heathrow is the biggest hub airport in Europe, and has a wider choice of international destinations than any other. They are trying to keep their lead in this over Frankfurt, Charles de Gaulle and Schiphol. And a hub airport brings very little to the UK other than pollution and profit for Heathrow Plc. The fact that the cabinet has been suckered into approving the new runway demonstrates - if we didn't know already - what a dim bunch of 2nd raters they are. Among the many problems with using Manston as London's major airport, there's fitting the flight paths in with those over mainland Europe for airports there. Do you reckon France and the Netherlands would nicely move those for Schipol and CDG to make room? I'm not suggesting supplanting the whole of heathrow with manston. But even if I was, aircraft could still stack over the UK, it would have no impact on french or dutch airspace. |
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June 11th 18, 02:24 PM
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Plan to pedestrianise London's Oxford Street scrapped
On 11/06/2018 14:40, wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jun 2018 13:00:39 +0100 Robin wrote: On 11/06/2018 11:53, wrote: On Mon, 11 Jun 2018 11:15:01 +0100 John Williamson wrote: On 11/06/2018 09:35, wrote: No one would want to fly from heathrow if it didn't have 2 rail links and a motorway going to it. For about half the passengers who fly in to and out of Heathrow, the road and rail links outside the airport don't matter, as they fly in from one airport, possibly change terminals, and fly out to another one. Which means there's even less reason not to use Manston. This is the target audience for expansion, as Heathrow is the biggest hub airport in Europe, and has a wider choice of international destinations than any other. They are trying to keep their lead in this over Frankfurt, Charles de Gaulle and Schiphol. And a hub airport brings very little to the UK other than pollution and profit for Heathrow Plc. The fact that the cabinet has been suckered into approving the new runway demonstrates - if we didn't know already - what a dim bunch of 2nd raters they are. Among the many problems with using Manston as London's major airport, there's fitting the flight paths in with those over mainland Europe for airports there. Do you reckon France and the Netherlands would nicely move those for Schipol and CDG to make room? I'm not suggesting supplanting the whole of heathrow with manston. But even if I was, aircraft could still stack over the UK, it would have no impact on french or dutch airspace. Check the prevailing wind directions, also the location of the stacks for LHR and LGW. -- Graeme Wall This account not read. |
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June 11th 18, 02:31 PM
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Plan to pedestrianise London's Oxford Street scrapped
On Mon, 11 Jun 2018 15:24:59 +0100
Graeme Wall wrote: On 11/06/2018 14:40, wrote: I'm not suggesting supplanting the whole of heathrow with manston. But even if I was, aircraft could still stack over the UK, it would have no impact on french or dutch airspace. Check the prevailing wind directions, also the location of the stacks for LHR and LGW. It might be convenient to have a stack downwind of an airport but its not essential. |
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June 11th 18, 02:43 PM
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Plan to pedestrianise London's Oxford Street scrapped
On 11/06/2018 15:31, wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jun 2018 15:24:59 +0100 Graeme Wall wrote: On 11/06/2018 14:40, wrote: I'm not suggesting supplanting the whole of heathrow with manston. But even if I was, aircraft could still stack over the UK, it would have no impact on french or dutch airspace. Check the prevailing wind directions, also the location of the stacks for LHR and LGW. It might be convenient to have a stack downwind of an airport but its not essential. So do you reckon the head of UK ATC was wrong to see problems for Schipol and the Netherlands with "Boris Island"? Or that with Manston, some 45km further East, they just wouldn't feature? -- Robin reply-to address is (intended to be) valid |
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June 11th 18, 02:55 PM
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Plan to pedestrianise London's Oxford Street scrapped
Robin wrote:
On 11/06/2018 15:31, wrote: On Mon, 11 Jun 2018 15:24:59 +0100 Graeme Wall wrote: On 11/06/2018 14:40, wrote: I'm not suggesting supplanting the whole of heathrow with manston. But even if I was, aircraft could still stack over the UK, it would have no impact on french or dutch airspace. Check the prevailing wind directions, also the location of the stacks for LHR and LGW. It might be convenient to have a stack downwind of an airport but its not essential. So do you reckon the head of UK ATC was wrong to see problems for Schipol and the Netherlands with "Boris Island"? Or that with Manston, some 45km further East, they just wouldn't feature? Boltar thinks everyone less ignorant than him is wrong. That's most of the population. |
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June 11th 18, 03:25 PM
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Plan to pedestrianise London's Oxford Street scrapped
On Mon, 11 Jun 2018 14:55:21 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote: Robin wrote: On 11/06/2018 15:31, wrote: On Mon, 11 Jun 2018 15:24:59 +0100 Graeme Wall wrote: On 11/06/2018 14:40, wrote: I'm not suggesting supplanting the whole of heathrow with manston. But even if I was, aircraft could still stack over the UK, it would have no impact on french or dutch airspace. Check the prevailing wind directions, also the location of the stacks for LHR and LGW. It might be convenient to have a stack downwind of an airport but its not essential. So do you reckon the head of UK ATC was wrong to see problems for Schipol and the Netherlands with "Boris Island"? Or that with Manston, some 45km further East, they just wouldn't feature? Boltar thinks everyone less ignorant than him is wrong. That's most of the population. You just think everyone is wrong. Go slurp some booze, maybe you'll have something more worthwhile to say. |
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June 11th 18, 03:21 PM
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Plan to pedestrianise London's Oxford Street scrapped
On Mon, 11 Jun 2018 15:43:03 +0100
Robin wrote: On 11/06/2018 15:31, wrote: On Mon, 11 Jun 2018 15:24:59 +0100 Graeme Wall wrote: On 11/06/2018 14:40, wrote: I'm not suggesting supplanting the whole of heathrow with manston. But even if I was, aircraft could still stack over the UK, it would have no impact on french or dutch airspace. Check the prevailing wind directions, also the location of the stacks for LHR and LGW. It might be convenient to have a stack downwind of an airport but its not essential. So do you reckon the head of UK ATC was wrong to see problems for Schipol and the Netherlands with "Boris Island"? Or that with Manston, some 45km further East, they just wouldn't feature? Well somehow planes managed to land at manston for decades so why not ask them how they solved it. |
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June 11th 18, 03:37 PM
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Plan to pedestrianise London's Oxford Street scrapped
On 11/06/2018 16:21, wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jun 2018 15:43:03 +0100 Robin wrote: On 11/06/2018 15:31, wrote: On Mon, 11 Jun 2018 15:24:59 +0100 Graeme Wall wrote: On 11/06/2018 14:40, wrote: I'm not suggesting supplanting the whole of heathrow with manston. But even if I was, aircraft could still stack over the UK, it would have no impact on french or dutch airspace. Check the prevailing wind directions, also the location of the stacks for LHR and LGW. It might be convenient to have a stack downwind of an airport but its not essential. So do you reckon the head of UK ATC was wrong to see problems for Schipol and the Netherlands with "Boris Island"? Or that with Manston, some 45km further East, they just wouldn't feature? Well somehow planes managed to land at manston for decades so why not ask them how they solved it. I do know that actually, having first landed at Manston in 1965 in a Chipmunk. But why not share your figures for Manston's previous peak performance and tell us where the extra flight paths will come from to justify I also know that Manson never achieved a fraction of the movements necessary to justify the infrastructure investment you are calling for? Or are they Scotch mist (mist being something Manston used to be rather good at) -- Robin reply-to address is (intended to be) valid |
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June 11th 18, 04:38 PM
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Plan to pedestrianise London's Oxford Street scrapped
On 11/06/2018 15:31, wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jun 2018 15:24:59 +0100 Graeme Wall wrote: On 11/06/2018 14:40, wrote: I'm not suggesting supplanting the whole of heathrow with manston. But even if I was, aircraft could still stack over the UK, it would have no impact on french or dutch airspace. Check the prevailing wind directions, also the location of the stacks for LHR and LGW. It might be convenient to have a stack downwind of an airport but its not essential. It is essential to know which direction you planes are coming from. -- Graeme Wall This account not read. |
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