On Mon, 11 Jun 2018 15:24:59 +0100
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 11/06/2018 14:40, wrote:
I'm not suggesting supplanting the whole of heathrow with manston. But even
if I was, aircraft could still stack over the UK, it would have no impact on
french or dutch airspace.


Check the prevailing wind directions, also the location of the stacks
for LHR and LGW.

It might be convenient to have a stack downwind of an airport but its not
essential.

On 11/06/2018 15:31, wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jun 2018 15:24:59 +0100
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 11/06/2018 14:40, wrote:
I'm not suggesting supplanting the whole of heathrow with manston. But even
if I was, aircraft could still stack over the UK, it would have no impact on
french or dutch airspace.


Check the prevailing wind directions, also the location of the stacks
for LHR and LGW.

It might be convenient to have a stack downwind of an airport but its not
essential.

So do you reckon the head of UK ATC was wrong to see problems for
Schipol and the Netherlands with "Boris Island"? Or that with Manston,
some 45km further East, they just wouldn't feature?



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Robin
reply-to address is (intended to be) valid

Robin wrote:
On 11/06/2018 15:31, wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jun 2018 15:24:59 +0100
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 11/06/2018 14:40, wrote:
I'm not suggesting supplanting the whole of heathrow with manston. But even
if I was, aircraft could still stack over the UK, it would have no impact on
french or dutch airspace.


Check the prevailing wind directions, also the location of the stacks
for LHR and LGW.

It might be convenient to have a stack downwind of an airport but its not
essential.

So do you reckon the head of UK ATC was wrong to see problems for
Schipol and the Netherlands with "Boris Island"? Or that with Manston,
some 45km further East, they just wouldn't feature?

Boltar thinks everyone less ignorant than him is wrong. That's most of the
population.

On Mon, 11 Jun 2018 14:55:21 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
Robin wrote:
On 11/06/2018 15:31, wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jun 2018 15:24:59 +0100
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 11/06/2018 14:40, wrote:
I'm not suggesting supplanting the whole of heathrow with manston. But
even
if I was, aircraft could still stack over the UK, it would have no impact
on
french or dutch airspace.


Check the prevailing wind directions, also the location of the stacks
for LHR and LGW.

It might be convenient to have a stack downwind of an airport but its not
essential.

So do you reckon the head of UK ATC was wrong to see problems for
Schipol and the Netherlands with "Boris Island"? Or that with Manston,
some 45km further East, they just wouldn't feature?

Boltar thinks everyone less ignorant than him is wrong. That's most of the
population.

You just think everyone is wrong. Go slurp some booze, maybe you'll have
something more worthwhile to say.

wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jun 2018 14:55:21 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
Robin wrote:
On 11/06/2018 15:31, wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jun 2018 15:24:59 +0100
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 11/06/2018 14:40, wrote:
I'm not suggesting supplanting the whole of heathrow with manston. But
even
if I was, aircraft could still stack over the UK, it would have no impact
on
french or dutch airspace.


Check the prevailing wind directions, also the location of the stacks
for LHR and LGW.

It might be convenient to have a stack downwind of an airport but its not
essential.

So do you reckon the head of UK ATC was wrong to see problems for
Schipol and the Netherlands with "Boris Island"? Or that with Manston,
some 45km further East, they just wouldn't feature?

Boltar thinks everyone less ignorant than him is wrong. That's most of the
population.

You just think everyone is wrong.

No, just you. Let me translate the remark you were replying to: most of the
population is smarter than you.

Go slurp some booze, maybe you'll have
something more worthwhile to say.

I'd have to be seriously drunk to spout the waffle you do, supposedly while
sober.

On Mon, 11 Jun 2018 15:43:28 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
You just think everyone is wrong.

No, just you. Let me translate the remark you were replying to: most of the
population is smarter than you.

Is that your opinion before or after you've pickled yourself. Its quite
obvious from your past posts that you're a boozing old soak so its fair to
say that anything you say should be taken with an entire cellar of salt.

Go slurp some booze, maybe you'll have
something more worthwhile to say.

I'd have to be seriously drunk to spout the waffle you do, supposedly while
sober.

I suspect you're drunk most of the time.

wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jun 2018 15:43:28 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
You just think everyone is wrong.

No, just you. Let me translate the remark you were replying to: most of the
population is smarter than you.

Is that your opinion before or after you've pickled yourself. Its quite
obvious from your past posts that you're a boozing old soak so its fair to
say that anything you say should be taken with an entire cellar of salt.

Go slurp some booze, maybe you'll have
something more worthwhile to say.

I'd have to be seriously drunk to spout the waffle you do, supposedly while
sober.

I suspect you're drunk most of the time.


As usual with you, plenty of invective, but zero useful information.

On Mon, 11 Jun 2018 15:43:03 +0100
Robin wrote:
On 11/06/2018 15:31, wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jun 2018 15:24:59 +0100
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 11/06/2018 14:40, wrote:
I'm not suggesting supplanting the whole of heathrow with manston. But even
if I was, aircraft could still stack over the UK, it would have no impact
on
french or dutch airspace.


Check the prevailing wind directions, also the location of the stacks
for LHR and LGW.

It might be convenient to have a stack downwind of an airport but its not
essential.

So do you reckon the head of UK ATC was wrong to see problems for
Schipol and the Netherlands with "Boris Island"? Or that with Manston,
some 45km further East, they just wouldn't feature?

Well somehow planes managed to land at manston for decades so why not ask them
how they solved it.

On 11/06/2018 16:21, wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jun 2018 15:43:03 +0100
Robin wrote:
On 11/06/2018 15:31, wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jun 2018 15:24:59 +0100
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 11/06/2018 14:40, wrote:
I'm not suggesting supplanting the whole of heathrow with manston. But even
if I was, aircraft could still stack over the UK, it would have no impact
on
french or dutch airspace.


Check the prevailing wind directions, also the location of the stacks
for LHR and LGW.

It might be convenient to have a stack downwind of an airport but its not
essential.

So do you reckon the head of UK ATC was wrong to see problems for
Schipol and the Netherlands with "Boris Island"? Or that with Manston,
some 45km further East, they just wouldn't feature?

Well somehow planes managed to land at manston for decades so why not ask them
how they solved it.


I do know that actually, having first landed at Manston in 1965 in a
Chipmunk. But why not share your figures for Manston's previous peak
performance and tell us where the extra flight paths will come from to
justify I also know that Manson never achieved a fraction of the
movements necessary to justify the infrastructure investment you are
calling for? Or are they Scotch mist (mist being something Manston used
to be rather good at)

--
Robin
reply-to address is (intended to be) valid

On Mon, 11 Jun 2018 16:37:28 +0100
Robin wrote:
On 11/06/2018 16:21, wrote:
Well somehow planes managed to land at manston for decades so why not ask
them
how they solved it.


I do know that actually, having first landed at Manston in 1965 in a
Chipmunk. But why not share your figures for Manston's previous peak
performance and tell us where the extra flight paths will come from to
justify I also know that Manson never achieved a fraction of the
movements necessary to justify the infrastructure investment you are
calling for? Or are they Scotch mist (mist being something Manston used
to be rather good at)

Flight paths are not fixed tracks in the sky, they can be adjusted to suit.
You're just putting up made up problems to back up the feeble assertion that
manston is unsuitable. The planes could use exactly the same stacks as
heathrow and gatwick with obviously a different final approach. How do you
think City Airport manages?