wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jun 2018 09:54:29 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
I'm still waiting for someone to post something that validates their
arguments
against manston - you lot make the assertions so back them up.

The fact that no airlines want it. Even the airport didn't.

The airport didn't because the current owners could get more money by turning
it into housing. The local council tried to save it but had no luck. The
airlines don't want it because there's no infrastructure or transport links
to speak of there.

As others have correctly pointed out, its local catchment area is small,

WHy does the local catchment area matter? You think Heathrow is bothered how
many people from Hounslow fly from it?

So how would people from, say, Oxford or Northampton, have got to Manston?


and it's much too far from the main markets, and too close to other busy
airports. It's never even made the short lists of the various commissions
over the decades on expanding airport capacity.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-37552369

Not financially viable? Compared to a 14 billion quid load to Heathrow?

HAL will be funding the airport expansion itself, with funds raised based
on the increased business that the new runway will bring in. Nobody was
prepared to advance money for Manston expansion, as it was so obviously not
viable.


Anyway, who does someone who's terrified of flying, and would be too scared

People who are terrified don't fly. You're mistaking being terrified with
finding it a miserable unpleasent experience. But then what would someone
who flies ****ed in 1st class know what its like to slum it in economy for
8 hours anyway.

to use whatever new runway is built (or the existing ones), have opinions
on this matter? You know nothing about the airline industry, have never
flown long-haul, never used a hub airport, so even by your exalted

Haven't I? Guess I must've imagined visited the USA a number of times.

Actually, my first dozen or so trips to the US were in cattle class.
Luckily, my career took off, so I longer needed to mix with the
loud-mouthed ignorant plebs like you in the back. My next 50 or so trips to
North America were in business (or occasionally first) class. So will all
future trips.

On Tue, 12 Jun 2018 15:03:59 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jun 2018 09:54:29 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
I'm still waiting for someone to post something that validates their
arguments
against manston - you lot make the assertions so back them up.

The fact that no airlines want it. Even the airport didn't.

The airport didn't because the current owners could get more money by turning
it into housing. The local council tried to save it but had no luck. The
airlines don't want it because there's no infrastructure or transport links
to speak of there.

As others have correctly pointed out, its local catchment area is small,

WHy does the local catchment area matter? You think Heathrow is bothered how
many people from Hounslow fly from it?

So how would people from, say, Oxford or Northampton, have got to Manston?

The same way they currently get to Gatwick. Road or train via London (if a
station was built there).

and it's much too far from the main markets, and too close to other busy
airports. It's never even made the short lists of the various commissions
over the decades on expanding airport capacity.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-37552369

Not financially viable? Compared to a 14 billion quid load to Heathrow?

HAL will be funding the airport expansion itself, with funds raised based
on the increased business that the new runway will bring in. Nobody was

We'll see. I won't hold my breath.

prepared to advance money for Manston expansion, as it was so obviously not
viable.

Manston is not currently viable whereas heathrow is. Its always easier to make
a business case to expand something that already works than something that
doesn't and needs investment to work. The government however should take a long
term view beyond simple profit and loss. If the country really needs another
runway near london then Manston would fit the job if the govn really gave a
toss about urban air and noise pollution. If its actually more about profit
for Heathrows owners then obviously it stands no chance.

Haven't I? Guess I must've imagined visited the USA a number of times.

Actually, my first dozen or so trips to the US were in cattle class.
Luckily, my career took off, so I longer needed to mix with the
loud-mouthed ignorant plebs like you in the back. My next 50 or so trips to
North America were in business (or occasionally first) class. So will all
future trips.

I endure flying because the holiday at the other end is worth it. No way would
I fly 50 times to the US simply for work business class or not. They could
shove the job. Still, there's always some mug who'll do it because he thinks
it gives him status, just like the guys who think being tethered to their
business phone is an "I've made it" status symbol rather that an indication
that they're nothing but obedient cattle at their bosses beck and call.

wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jun 2018 15:03:59 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jun 2018 09:54:29 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
I'm still waiting for someone to post something that validates their
arguments
against manston - you lot make the assertions so back them up.

The fact that no airlines want it. Even the airport didn't.

The airport didn't because the current owners could get more money by turning
it into housing. The local council tried to save it but had no luck. The
airlines don't want it because there's no infrastructure or transport links
to speak of there.

As others have correctly pointed out, its local catchment area is small,

WHy does the local catchment area matter? You think Heathrow is bothered how
many people from Hounslow fly from it?

So how would people from, say, Oxford or Northampton, have got to Manston?

The same way they currently get to Gatwick. Road or train via London (if a
station was built there).

Gatwick is already too far for such people, and it has excellent motorway
and rail links.


and it's much too far from the main markets, and too close to other busy
airports. It's never even made the short lists of the various commissions
over the decades on expanding airport capacity.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-37552369

Not financially viable? Compared to a 14 billion quid load to Heathrow?

HAL will be funding the airport expansion itself, with funds raised based
on the increased business that the new runway will bring in. Nobody was

We'll see. I won't hold my breath.

prepared to advance money for Manston expansion, as it was so obviously not
viable.

Manston is not currently viable whereas heathrow is. Its always easier to make
a business case to expand something that already works than something that
doesn't and needs investment to work. The government however should take a long
term view beyond simple profit and loss. If the country really needs another
runway near london then Manston would fit the job if the govn really gave a
toss about urban air and noise pollution. If its actually more about profit
for Heathrows owners then obviously it stands no chance.

Haven't I? Guess I must've imagined visited the USA a number of times.

Actually, my first dozen or so trips to the US were in cattle class.
Luckily, my career took off, so I longer needed to mix with the
loud-mouthed ignorant plebs like you in the back. My next 50 or so trips to
North America were in business (or occasionally first) class. So will all
future trips.

I endure flying because the holiday at the other end is worth it. No way would
I fly 50 times to the US simply for work business class or not. They could
shove the job.

Obviously you wouldn't, as you're afraid of flying. I enjoy it.

On Tue, 12 Jun 2018 15:41:44 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
The same way they currently get to Gatwick. Road or train via London (if a
station was built there).

Gatwick is already too far for such people, and it has excellent motorway
and rail links.

Which part of investing in infrastructure for manston did you have a problem
comprehending?

I endure flying because the holiday at the other end is worth it. No way
would
I fly 50 times to the US simply for work business class or not. They could
shove the job.

Obviously you wouldn't, as you're afraid of flying. I enjoy it.

Do change the record you old soak. And the amount of times you flew for your
job its quite apparent you're one of those sad *******s who lived to work
rather than worked to live. Some of us have lives outside our work which we'd
rather spend time in. Clearly you didn't.

wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jun 2018 15:41:44 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
The same way they currently get to Gatwick. Road or train via London (if a
station was built there).

Gatwick is already too far for such people, and it has excellent motorway
and rail links.

Which part of investing in infrastructure for manston did you have a problem
comprehending?

And who'd pay for the tens of billions of infrastructure investment? Not
the owners of Manston. Not the airlines.


I endure flying because the holiday at the other end is worth it. No way
would
I fly 50 times to the US simply for work business class or not. They could
shove the job.

Obviously you wouldn't, as you're afraid of flying. I enjoy it.

Do change the record you old soak. And the amount of times you flew for your
job its quite apparent you're one of those sad *******s who lived to work
rather than worked to live. Some of us have lives outside our work which we'd
rather spend time in. Clearly you didn't.

That's one way of rationalising a failed career.

On Wed, 13 Jun 2018 10:25:26 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jun 2018 15:41:44 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
The same way they currently get to Gatwick. Road or train via London (if a
station was built there).

Gatwick is already too far for such people, and it has excellent motorway
and rail links.

Which part of investing in infrastructure for manston did you have a problem
comprehending?

And who'd pay for the tens of billions of infrastructure investment? Not
the owners of Manston. Not the airlines.

The same people who'll end up paying for heathrows white elephant - us.

Do change the record you old soak. And the amount of times you flew for your
job its quite apparent you're one of those sad *******s who lived to work
rather than worked to live. Some of us have lives outside our work which we'd
rather spend time in. Clearly you didn't.

That's one way of rationalising a failed career.

My career is fine thanks, however I also have a life outside of it too. I
suspect you don't which is why you're constantly travelling, no doubt to
alleviate the boredom of sitting at home staring at the walls with only
jeremey kyle for company.

On Wed, 13 Jun 2018 10:52:12 +0000 (UTC), wrote:

On Wed, 13 Jun 2018 10:25:26 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jun 2018 15:41:44 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
The same way they currently get to Gatwick. Road or train via London (if a
station was built there).

Gatwick is already too far for such people, and it has excellent motorway
and rail links.

Which part of investing in infrastructure for manston did you have a problem
comprehending?

And who'd pay for the tens of billions of infrastructure investment? Not
the owners of Manston. Not the airlines.

The same people who'll end up paying for heathrows white elephant - us.

Nope. There are plenty of people who will happily invest in Heathrow's
success. There weren't any investors in Manston's flop of an airport.


Do change the record you old soak. And the amount of times you flew for your
job its quite apparent you're one of those sad *******s who lived to work
rather than worked to live. Some of us have lives outside our work which we'd
rather spend time in. Clearly you didn't.

That's one way of rationalising a failed career.

My career is fine thanks, however I also have a life outside of it too. I
suspect you don't which is why you're constantly travelling, no doubt to
alleviate the boredom of sitting at home staring at the walls with only
jeremey kyle for company.

Yes, as I said, you're rationalising your career failure, just as you
rationalise your fear of flying (first, it was that you didn't like
travelling economy, then it was that you didn't like travelling in
business class, not that you ever have, of course).

Of course, these two problems might be connected: your fear of flying
has stopped you getting a decent job. That may explain your obvious
frustration and permanent anger: no-one likes being judged as a
failure. So here's a date for your diary: 30 June.

https://www.flyingwithconfidence.com

I had a colleague who took it, and it transformed him, and his career
prospects.