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In message , at 04:12:03 on Wed, 25 Jul
2018, Basil Jet remarked:

https://www.constructionnews.co.uk/c...rail/crossrail
-breaks-budget-by-590m/10033487.article

Pushing the funding envelope!

Enquiring minds wish to know whether its launch in December will be
delayed until next May as a result of the timetable-freeze.

ps I note the lowercase "line" in "Elizabeth line".
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Roland Perry

On Wed, 25 Jul 2018 07:16:12 +0100, Roland Perry wrote:
Enquiring minds wish to know whether its launch in December will be
delayed until next May as a result of the timetable-freeze.

I thought the bit of Crossrail that is scheduled to begin in December
is on dedicated track so doesn't need to coordinate a timetable change
with the rest of the network anymore than the Waterloo & City does.

David Walters wrote:
On Wed, 25 Jul 2018 07:16:12 +0100, Roland Perry wrote:
Enquiring minds wish to know whether its launch in December will be
delayed until next May as a result of the timetable-freeze.

I thought the bit of Crossrail that is scheduled to begin in December
is on dedicated track so doesn't need to coordinate a timetable change
with the rest of the network anymore than the Waterloo & City does.


I think that's correct. The only new track to open will be the central
core, accessed only by Abbey Wood trains.

In message , at 09:10:19 on Wed, 25 Jul
2018, Recliner remarked:
Enquiring minds wish to know whether its launch in December will be
delayed until next May as a result of the timetable-freeze.

I thought the bit of Crossrail that is scheduled to begin in December
is on dedicated track so doesn't need to coordinate a timetable change
with the rest of the network anymore than the Waterloo & City does.

I think that's correct. The only new track to open will be the central
core, accessed only by Abbey Wood trains.

OK, so that appears to be sufficiently air-gapped off at Abbey Wood
to mean TfL could run that service independently of Network Rail
potentially having to approve any of the timetable from Abbey Wood to
Paddington.

I presume we are all on the same page that NR has no influence over by
whom and when trains are run on that section?

The next round of 'more through running' hailed for May 2019 does
however require route knowledge from Paddington to Shenfield that didn't
previously exist.

GTR's May 2018 timetable flopped in part because the December 2017
timetable didn't include enough ECS or shadow-PAX through-running
route-knowledge services.

How are Tfl expecting to create a big enough route-knowledge base to run
the May 2019 service if the December 2018 lack-of-timetable change
scuppers all the expected Shenfield-Paddington route learning diagrams?
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Roland Perry

On 25/07/18 14:26, Roland Perry wrote:
OK, so that appears to be sufficiently air-gapped off at Abbey Wood
to mean TfL could run that service independently of Network Rail
potentially having to approve any of the timetable from Abbey Wood to
Paddington.

Operationally, yes. Is there any attempt to provide good connections
for passengers, or are services too frequent for that to be necessary?

Basil Jet wrote:

https://www.constructionnews.co.uk/c...033487.article


No surprise that the rumours of overspends are true, but it's interesting
that the final spend will actually be below the original budget:


Crossrail will come in £590m over its original £14.8bn budget, the
government has confirmed.

…

The first budget agreed for the Crossrail scheme was set at £15.9bn back in
2007.

Following a Comprehensive Spending Review in 2010, this was reduced to
£14.8bn. Of this spend, Crossrail is responsible for £12.5bn of works,
while Network Rail is responsible for £2.3bn

In message , at 06:59:20 on Wed, 25 Jul 2018,
Recliner remarked:
Basil Jet wrote:


https://www.constructionnews.co.uk/c...srail/crossrai
l-breaks-budget-by-590m/10033487.article


No surprise that the rumours of overspends are true, but it's interesting
that the final spend will actually be below the original budget:

Is it being built to the original spec, though?

Crossrail will come in £590m over its original £14.8bn budget, the
government has confirmed.

The first budget agreed for the Crossrail scheme was set at £15.9bn back in
2007.

Following a Comprehensive Spending Review in 2010, this was reduced to
£14.8bn. Of this spend, Crossrail is responsible for £12.5bn of works,
while Network Rail is responsible for £2.3bn

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Roland Perry

Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 06:59:20 on Wed, 25 Jul 2018,
Recliner remarked:
Basil Jet wrote:


https://www.constructionnews.co.uk/c...srail/crossrai
l-breaks-budget-by-590m/10033487.article


No surprise that the rumours of overspends are true, but it's interesting
that the final spend will actually be below the original budget:

Is it being built to the original spec, though?

I'm not aware of anything that's been dropped or cut back. And the route
has been extended, from Maidenhead to Reading.

As an aside, although I'll be a beneficiary of the generosity, I can't see
a good reason for London Freedom Pass holders to get free travel all the
way to Reading. It seems to be an unnecessary give-away.


Crossrail will come in £590m over its original £14.8bn budget, the
government has confirmed.

The first budget agreed for the Crossrail scheme was set at £15.9bn back in
2007.

Following a Comprehensive Spending Review in 2010, this was reduced to
£14.8bn. Of this spend, Crossrail is responsible for £12.5bn of works,
while Network Rail is responsible for £2.3bn

On 25/07/18 09:01, Recliner wrote:


As an aside, although I'll be a beneficiary of the generosity, I can't see
a good reason for London Freedom Pass holders to get free travel all the
way to Reading. It seems to be an unnecessary give-away.

I'm happy with that too? But it reminds me of a question I've not had
clearly answered.
Last time I travelled from Stanmore (LU) to Gatwick Airport the ticket
machine said my Travelcard (actually a Freedom Pass) was valid to the
airport, but the staff said I would still need to buy an extension
ticket somewhere. Will my Freedom Pass now open the gates at Gatwick?

MikeR