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I saw one in Platform 1 at Paddington at around midnight. The destination indicator on the side said "Shenfield via Stratford". After a couple of minutes it changed to "Hayes & Harlington". I wonder why the "Via Stratford" is felt necessary. -- Basil Jet recently enjoyed listening to Slug - 2015 - Ripe |
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Basil Jet wrote:
I saw one in Platform 1 at Paddington at around midnight. The destination indicator on the side said "Shenfield via Stratford". After a couple of minutes it changed to "Hayes & Harlington". I wonder why the "Via Stratford" is felt necessary. Highlighting a major destination along the way? Similarly most XC trains are displayed on the departure boards at Bristol as "via Birmingham". Think of it more as "Train to Stratford which then continues to Shenfield" rather than "Train to Shenfield via Stratford rather than some other way". Anna Noyd-Dryver |
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On 03/06/2019 04:10, Basil Jet wrote:
I saw one in Platform 1 at Paddington at around midnight. The destination indicator on the side said "Shenfield via Stratford". After a couple of minutes it changed to "Hayes & Harlington". I wonder why the "Via Stratford" is felt necessary. Only locals and rail enthusiasts have heard of Shenfield. This way, tourists will know that it's somewhere near Stratford-on-Shakespeare. |
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In message , at 11:39:17 on Mon, 3 Jun 2019,
Certes remarked: On 03/06/2019 04:10, Basil Jet wrote: I saw one in Platform 1 at Paddington at around midnight. The destination indicator on the side said "Shenfield via Stratford". After a couple of minutes it changed to "Hayes & Harlington". I wonder why the "Via Stratford" is felt necessary. Only locals and rail enthusiasts have heard of Shenfield. This way, tourists will know that it's somewhere near Stratford-on-Shakespeare. Even journalists writing about rail have been known to describe Crossrail as serving Sheffield. On the other hand, routes like the #1 metro through Brussels cite "Stockel" as the destination, and I've no idea where or what that is. -- Roland Perry |
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On 03/06/2019 12:14, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 11:39:17 on Mon, 3 Jun 2019, Certes remarked: On 03/06/2019 04:10, Basil Jet wrote: Â*I saw one in Platform 1 at Paddington at around midnight. The destination indicator on the side said "Shenfield via Stratford". AfterÂ* a couple of minutes it changed to "Hayes & Harlington". Â*I wonder why the "Via Stratford" is felt necessary. Only locals and rail enthusiasts have heard of Shenfield.Â* This way, tourists will know that it's somewhere near Stratford-on-Shakespeare. Even journalists writing about rail have been known to describe Crossrail as serving Sheffield. On the other hand, routes like the #1 metro through Brussels cite "Stockel" as the destination, and I've no idea where or what that is. It's at the end of the line :-) -- Graeme Wall This account not read. |
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Graeme Wall wrote:
On 03/06/2019 12:14, Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 11:39:17 on Mon, 3 Jun 2019, Certes remarked: On 03/06/2019 04:10, Basil Jet wrote: Â*I saw one in Platform 1 at Paddington at around midnight. The destination indicator on the side said "Shenfield via Stratford". AfterÂ* a couple of minutes it changed to "Hayes & Harlington". Â*I wonder why the "Via Stratford" is felt necessary. Only locals and rail enthusiasts have heard of Shenfield.Â* This way, tourists will know that it's somewhere near Stratford-on-Shakespeare. Even journalists writing about rail have been known to describe Crossrail as serving Sheffield. On the other hand, routes like the #1 metro through Brussels cite "Stockel" as the destination, and I've no idea where or what that is. It's at the end of the line :-) I was part hoping that it would be the shed as as translated to foreign. Shed Stock Hall Stockel GH |
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On 03/06/2019 13:18, Marland wrote:
Graeme Wall wrote: On 03/06/2019 12:14, Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 11:39:17 on Mon, 3 Jun 2019, Certes remarked: On 03/06/2019 04:10, Basil Jet wrote: Â*I saw one in Platform 1 at Paddington at around midnight. The destination indicator on the side said "Shenfield via Stratford". AfterÂ* a couple of minutes it changed to "Hayes & Harlington". Â*I wonder why the "Via Stratford" is felt necessary. Only locals and rail enthusiasts have heard of Shenfield.Â* This way, tourists will know that it's somewhere near Stratford-on-Shakespeare. Even journalists writing about rail have been known to describe Crossrail as serving Sheffield. On the other hand, routes like the #1 metro through Brussels cite "Stockel" as the destination, and I've no idea where or what that is. It's at the end of the line :-) I was part hoping that it would be the shed as as translated to foreign. Shed Stock Hall Stockel Absolutely stockel reason why it should be. -- Graeme Wall This account not read. |
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In message , at 12:27:00 on Mon, 3 Jun 2019,
Graeme Wall remarked: *I saw one in Platform 1 at Paddington at around midnight. The destination indicator on the side said "Shenfield via Stratford". After* a couple of minutes it changed to "Hayes & Harlington". *I wonder why the "Via Stratford" is felt necessary. Only locals and rail enthusiasts have heard of Shenfield.* This way, tourists will know that it's somewhere near Stratford-on-Shakespeare. Even journalists writing about rail have been known to describe Crossrail as serving Sheffield. On the other hand, routes like the #1 metro through Brussels cite "Stockel" as the destination, and I've no idea where or what that is. It's at the end of the line :-) Exactly, and all you need to know is that it's a label for the train you want to catch. Of course, in the UK we have false labels like Foxton, which means "slow train to the station after, Cambridge". -- Roland Perry |
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On Mon, Jun 03, 2019 at 04:10:15AM +0100, Basil Jet wrote:
I saw one in Platform 1 at Paddington at around midnight. The destination indicator on the side said "Shenfield via Stratford". After a couple of minutes it changed to "Hayes & Harlington". I wonder why the "Via Stratford" is felt necessary. Probably because people wanting stations between Paddington and Stratford have a chance of knowing where Stratford is but won't be able to immediately place an irrelevant little town in rural Essex. -- David Cantrell | London Perl Mongers Deputy Chief Heretic People from my sort of background needed grammar schools to compete with children from privileged homes like ... Tony Benn -- Margaret Thatcher |
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Am 03.06.2019 um 15:50 schrieb Roland Perry:
Exactly, and all you need to know is that it's a label for the train you want to catch. Of course, in the UK we have false labels like Foxton, which means "slow train to the station after, Cambridge". He have the same false labels in Germany as well, e.g. "Mannheim" for "Germersheim via Mannheim but if you want to go to Germersheim, please take the direct train on the other platform" |
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on Mon, 3 Jun 2019, David Cantrell remarked: On Mon, Jun 03, 2019 at 04:10:15AM +0100, Basil Jet wrote: I saw one in Platform 1 at Paddington at around midnight. The destination indicator on the side said "Shenfield via Stratford". After a couple of minutes it changed to "Hayes & Harlington". I wonder why the "Via Stratford" is felt necessary. Probably because people wanting stations between Paddington and Stratford have a chance of knowing where Stratford is but won't be able to immediately place an irrelevant little town in rural Essex. Just like people can't place an irrelevant little town (with a similarly important role as a railway junction/terminus) in Wiltshire called Westbury? -- Roland Perry |
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Cantrell writes Probably because people wanting stations between Paddington and Stratford have a chance of knowing where Stratford is but won't be able to immediately place an irrelevant little town in rural Essex. Not to be confused with Stratford in the London Borough of Newham , a major transport hub, location of Olympic Park and as stated elsewhere "Stratford is now East London's primary retail, cultural and leisure centre. It has also become the second most significant (after Canary Wharf) business location in the east of the capital" -- Bryan Morris |
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On 04/06/2019 03:44, Bryan Morris wrote:
In message , David Cantrell writes Probably because people wanting stations between Paddington and Stratford have a chance of knowing where Stratford is but won't be able to immediately place an irrelevant little town in rural Essex. Not to be confused with Stratford in the London Borough of Newham , a major transport hub, location of Olympic Park and as stated elsewhere "Stratford is now East London's primary retail, cultural and leisure centre. It has also become the second most significant (after Canary Wharf) business location in the east of the capital" Is the Two Puddings still there? -- Graeme Wall This account not read. |
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In message , Graeme Wall
writes On 04/06/2019 03:44, Bryan Morris wrote: In message , David Cantrell writes Probably because people wanting stations between Paddington and Stratford have a chance of knowing where Stratford is but won't be able to immediately place an irrelevant little town in rural Essex. Not to be confused with Stratford in the London Borough of Newham , a major transport hub, location of Olympic Park and as stated elsewhere "Stratford is now East London's primary retail, cultural and leisure centre. It has also become the second most significant (after Canary Wharf) business location in the east of the capital" Is the Two Puddings still there? Nope http://www.closedpubs.co.uk/london/e...opuddings.html I pass through Stratford on the Central Line on the way home and for whoever thinks Stratford is in Essex should be reminded that going East from Stratford, London stations include Leyton, Leytonstone, Woodford Green and Woodford. London Perl Mongers obviously don't know about London ;) -- Bryan Morris |
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On 04/06/2019 10:40, Bryan Morris wrote:
In message , Graeme Wall writes On 04/06/2019 03:44, Bryan Morris wrote: In message , David Cantrell writes Probably because people wanting stations between Paddington and Stratford have a chance of knowing where Stratford is but won't be able to immediately place an irrelevant little town in rural Essex. Not to be confused with Stratford in the London Borough of Newham , a major transport hub, location of Olympic Park and as stated elsewhere "Stratford is now East London's primary retail, cultural and leisure centre. It has also become the second most significant (after Canary Wharf) business location in the east of the capital" Is the Two Puddings still there? Nope http://www.closedpubs.co.uk/london/e...opuddings.html Another bit of my disreputable past gone! -- Graeme Wall This account not read. |
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In message , Mike Bristow
writes In article , Bryan Morris wrote: I pass through Stratford on the Central Line on the way home and for whoever thinks Stratford is in Essex should be reminded that going East from Stratford, London stations include Leyton, Leytonstone, Woodford Green and Woodford. Pre '65, all of those stations (and Stratford) were in Essex. Outside the LCC area but like Tottenham (in Middlesex) and south of the Thames (in Surrey) had London Post Codes. -- Bryan Morris |
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In message , at 10:40:51 on Tue, 4 Jun
2019, Bryan Morris remarked: I pass through Stratford on the Central Line on the way home and for whoever thinks Stratford is in Essex should be reminded that going East from Stratford, London stations include Leyton, Leytonstone, Woodford Green and Woodford. Back in the day, Straford was were people regarded London as starting. Perhaps because while still in Essex (until 1965) it was a County Borough and hence felt more like a part of what was to become Greater London, than its neighbour Ilford which was merely an Urban District under the wing of Essex County Council. Post 1965, for a while many people still thought of Romford as a market town in Essex, although the continuous built up area as far as the Green Belt (Harold Wood) tended to reinforce the perception it was thoroughly London. Brentwood is interesting, because while still in Essex, it became simultaneously the "first place in Essex" for people looking outwards, but "the start of London" for people looking inwards. Shenfield is to Brentwood, as Hove is to Brighton. -- Roland Perry |
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On 04/06/2019 12:18, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 10:40:51 on Tue, 4 Jun 2019, Bryan Morris remarked: I pass through Stratford on the Central Line on the way home and for whoever thinks Stratford is in Essex should be reminded that going East from Stratford, London stations include Leyton, Leytonstone, Woodford Green and Woodford. Back in the day, Straford was were people regarded London as starting. Perhaps because while still in Essex (until 1965) it was a County Borough and hence felt more like a part of what was to become Greater London, than its neighbour Ilford which was merely an Urban District under the wing of Essex County Council. Post 1965, for a while many people still thought of Romford as a market town in Essex, although the continuous built up area as far as the Green Belt (Harold Wood) tended to reinforce the perception it was thoroughly London. Brentwood is interesting, because while still in Essex, it became simultaneously the "first place in Essex" for people looking outwards, but "the start of London" for people looking inwards. Shenfield is to Brentwood, as Hove is to Brighton. I've never heard it referred to as Shenfield-Actually. -- Graeme Wall This account not read. |
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On 04/06/2019 12:28, Graeme Wall wrote:
On 04/06/2019 12:18, Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 10:40:51 on Tue, 4 Jun 2019, Bryan Morris remarked: I pass through Stratford on the Central Line on the way home and for whoever thinks Stratford is in Essex should be reminded that going East from Stratford, London stations include Leyton, Leytonstone, Woodford Green and Woodford. Back in the day, Straford was were people regarded London as starting. Perhaps because while still in Essex (until 1965) it was a County Borough and hence felt more like a part of what was to become Greater London, than its neighbour Ilford which was merely an Urban District under the wing of Essex County Council. Post 1965, for a while many people still thought of Romford as a market town in Essex, although the continuous built up area as far as the Green Belt (Harold Wood) tended to reinforce the perception it was thoroughly London. Brentwood is interesting, because while still in Essex, it became simultaneously the "first place in Essex" for people looking outwards, but "the start of London" for people looking inwards. Shenfield is to Brentwood, as Hove is to Brighton. I've never heard it referred to as Shenfield-Actually. Quite: there are public buildings with Brentwood in the name east of Shenfield station. -- Basil Jet recently enjoyed listening to Julian Cope - Floored Genius 2.. Best Of The BBC Sessions 1983-91 |
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In message , at 12:28:42 on Tue, 4 Jun 2019,
Graeme Wall remarked: Brentwood is interesting, because while still in Essex, it became simultaneously the "first place in Essex" for people looking outwards, but "the start of London" for people looking inwards. Shenfield is to Brentwood, as Hove is to Brighton. I've never heard it referred to as Shenfield-Actually. While not using that exact phrase, they have long corrected people who attribute them as "Brentwood" residents. Unless of course they live on the posh private estate in Shenfield (it's a bit like St Georges Hill in Weybridge) when they might say "Hutton Mount [actually]". -- Roland Perry |
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In message , at 13:43:47 on Tue, 4 Jun 2019,
Basil Jet remarked: Shenfield is to Brentwood, as Hove is to Brighton. I've never heard it referred to as Shenfield-Actually. Quite: there are public buildings with Brentwood in the name east of Shenfield station. Fewer than are west of Hove station with "Brighton" in the name. -- Roland Perry |
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On Tue, Jun 04, 2019 at 10:40:51AM +0100, Bryan Morris wrote:
In message , Graeme Wall writes On 04/06/2019 03:44, Bryan Morris wrote: In message , David Cantrell writes Probably because people wanting stations between Paddington and Stratford have a chance of knowing where Stratford is but won't be able to immediately place an irrelevant little town in rural Essex. Not to be confused with Stratford in the London Borough of Newham ... I pass through Stratford on the Central Line on the way home and for whoever thinks Stratford is in Essex should be reminded that going East from Stratford, London stations include Leyton, Leytonstone, Woodford Green and Woodford. London Perl Mongers obviously don't know about London ;) What on earth are you babbling about? I said that people *would* know about Stratford and not about Shenfield. -- David Cantrell | semi-evolved ape-thing All principles of gravity are negated by fear -- Cartoon Law IV |
There is no station on the Central Line called Woodford Green.
The station is called South Woodford and many moons ago was called George Lane. Woodford Green itself, one of the best village greens in London, is up the hill from Woodford Station. |
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