On Wed, Oct 02, 2019 at 04:39:40PM +0100, Roland Perry wrote:

And moving house to be near a job, especially one like Heathrow, isn't
a walk in the park.

It's something that vast numbers of people did in the past, and that a
lot of people still do. I've done it myself.

--
David Cantrell | Hero of the Information Age

Longum iter est per praecepta, breve et efficax per exempla.

On Thu, 03 Oct 2019 12:43:48 +0100
David Cantrell wrote:
On Wed, Oct 02, 2019 at 04:39:40PM +0100, Roland Perry wrote:

And moving house to be near a job, especially one like Heathrow, isn't
a walk in the park.

It's something that vast numbers of people did in the past, and that a
lot of people still do. I've done it myself.

Not quite so easy if you have a spouse who also works and kids who go to school.
Are they supposed to just up sticks because you've had enough of your commute?

On Thu, Oct 03, 2019 at 11:56:27AM +0000, wrote:
On Thu, 03 Oct 2019 12:43:48 +0100
David Cantrell wrote:
On Wed, Oct 02, 2019 at 04:39:40PM +0100, Roland Perry wrote:
And moving house to be near a job, especially one like Heathrow, isn't
a walk in the park.
It's something that vast numbers of people did in the past, and that a
lot of people still do. I've done it myself.
Not quite so easy if you have a spouse who also works and kids who go to school.
Are they supposed to just up sticks because you've had enough of your commute?

I repeat, it's something that lots of people have done, and lots of
people do do, so is clearly not completely unreasonable. A family is all
about compromise though and I don't pretend, unlike some people on the
internet, to have The Answer For Everyone.

--
David Cantrell | London Perl Mongers Deputy Chief Heretic

If you can read this, thank a teacher.
If you're reading it in English, thank Chaucer.

In message , at 10:47:38
on Fri, 4 Oct 2019, David Cantrell remarked:
On Thu, Oct 03, 2019 at 11:56:27AM +0000, wrote:
On Thu, 03 Oct 2019 12:43:48 +0100
David Cantrell wrote:
On Wed, Oct 02, 2019 at 04:39:40PM +0100, Roland Perry wrote:
And moving house to be near a job, especially one like Heathrow, isn't
a walk in the park.
It's something that vast numbers of people did in the past, and that a
lot of people still do. I've done it myself.
Not quite so easy if you have a spouse who also works and kids who go
to school.
Are they supposed to just up sticks because you've had enough of your
commute?

I repeat, it's something that lots of people have done, and lots of
people do do, so is clearly not completely unreasonable.

First you have to finds a school with places, and the good ones are
likely to be full. Even if you are turning up for the first year of
Secondary because the allocations will have been done 9mths earlier.

The children will lose their friends, places on sports teams, have a new
set of teachers, strange classmates, quite likely a different syllabus
with some subjects not available, and in the run-up to public exams this
can be very seriously disrupting.

Picking things up part-way through an academic year just makes it worse.

Buying new school uniforms is just a drop in the ocean.

A family is all about compromise though and I don't pretend, unlike
some people on the internet, to have The Answer For Everyone.

A lot of people move to be near a school they want for their children.
That's a compromise where parents likely have a longer commute.
--
Roland Perry

On Fri, Oct 04, 2019 at 11:32:28AM +0100, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 10:47:38
on Fri, 4 Oct 2019, David Cantrell remarked:
I repeat, it's something that lots of people have done, and lots of
people do do, so is clearly not completely unreasonable.
First you have to finds a school with places, and the good ones are
likely to be full. Even if you are turning up for the first year of
Secondary because the allocations will have been done 9mths earlier.

The children will lose their friends, places on sports teams, have a new
set of teachers, strange classmates, quite likely a different syllabus
with some subjects not available, and in the run-up to public exams this
can be very seriously disrupting.

And yet people do it. No matter how many reasons you can think of for
not doing it, people do it anyway, thus proving that for at least some
families it's a sensible thing to do.

Or are you going to suggest that all the people doing this are selfish
monsters who don't care about their spouses and children?

--
David Cantrell | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david

Today's previously unreported paraphilia is tomorrow's Internet sensation

In message , at 11:55:53
on Mon, 7 Oct 2019, David Cantrell remarked:
On Fri, Oct 04, 2019 at 11:32:28AM +0100, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 10:47:38
on Fri, 4 Oct 2019, David Cantrell remarked:
I repeat, it's something that lots of people have done, and lots of
people do do, so is clearly not completely unreasonable.
First you have to finds a school with places, and the good ones are
likely to be full. Even if you are turning up for the first year of
Secondary because the allocations will have been done 9mths earlier.

The children will lose their friends, places on sports teams, have a new
set of teachers, strange classmates, quite likely a different syllabus
with some subjects not available, and in the run-up to public exams this
can be very seriously disrupting.

And yet people do it. No matter how many reasons you can think of for
not doing it, people do it anyway, thus proving that for at least some
families it's a sensible thing to do.

The most common reason for moving (and children being forced to go to a
different school, or have a very long commute) is divorce.

I expect the second most common reason is some financial disaster
befalling the family (not that divorce doesn't involve that much of the
time).

Or are you going to suggest that all the people doing this are selfish
monsters who don't care about their spouses and children?

People moving the family simply for the convenience of the breadwinner
is thankfully very rare. Weekly commuting is a compromise in many cases.
--
Roland Perry

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message , at 11:55:53 on
Mon, 7 Oct 2019, David Cantrell remarked:
On Fri, Oct 04, 2019 at 11:32:28AM +0100, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 10:47:38
on Fri, 4 Oct 2019, David Cantrell remarked:
I repeat, it's something that lots of people have done, and lots of
people do do, so is clearly not completely unreasonable.
First you have to finds a school with places, and the good ones are
likely to be full. Even if you are turning up for the first year of
Secondary because the allocations will have been done 9mths earlier.

The children will lose their friends, places on sports teams, have a new
set of teachers, strange classmates, quite likely a different syllabus
with some subjects not available, and in the run-up to public exams this
can be very seriously disrupting.

And yet people do it. No matter how many reasons you can think of for
not doing it, people do it anyway, thus proving that for at least some
families it's a sensible thing to do.

The most common reason for moving (and children being forced to go to a
different school, or have a very long commute) is divorce.

I expect the second most common reason is some financial disaster

which "losing your job and having to get a new one, some miles away" falls
into

tim

On Fri, 04 Oct 2019 10:47:38 +0100
David Cantrell wrote:
On Thu, Oct 03, 2019 at 11:56:27AM +0000, wrote:
On Thu, 03 Oct 2019 12:43:48 +0100
David Cantrell wrote:
On Wed, Oct 02, 2019 at 04:39:40PM +0100, Roland Perry wrote:
And moving house to be near a job, especially one like Heathrow, isn't
a walk in the park.
It's something that vast numbers of people did in the past, and that a
lot of people still do. I've done it myself.
Not quite so easy if you have a spouse who also works and kids who go to
school.
Are they supposed to just up sticks because you've had enough of your
commute?

I repeat, it's something that lots of people have done, and lots of
people do do, so is clearly not completely unreasonable. A family is all

Yes - they're normally in their 20s and short term renting with no commitments.
Its easy to bounce around if you can fit your worldy goods in a large box
and don't have any attachments.

about compromise though and I don't pretend, unlike some people on the

The compromise is you lump the commute or find a nearer job. Moving house
when you have a family with kids in school is very much a last resort.

wrote in message ...
On Fri, 04 Oct 2019 10:47:38 +0100
David Cantrell wrote:
On Thu, Oct 03, 2019 at 11:56:27AM +0000, wrote:
On Thu, 03 Oct 2019 12:43:48 +0100
David Cantrell wrote:
On Wed, Oct 02, 2019 at 04:39:40PM +0100, Roland Perry wrote:
And moving house to be near a job, especially one like Heathrow,
isn't
a walk in the park.
It's something that vast numbers of people did in the past, and that a
lot of people still do. I've done it myself.
Not quite so easy if you have a spouse who also works and kids who go to
school.
Are they supposed to just up sticks because you've had enough of your
commute?

I repeat, it's something that lots of people have done, and lots of
people do do, so is clearly not completely unreasonable. A family is all

Yes - they're normally in their 20s and short term renting with no
commitments.

no they are not

lots of people move house to enable them to take a better job

and many of then own their own house

and many of them have families to move as well

Its easy to bounce around if you can fit your worldy goods in a large box
and don't have any attachments.

about compromise though and I don't pretend, unlike some people on the

The compromise is you lump the commute or find a nearer job.

If those are the choices, then why did they take the job in the first place?

Moving house
when you have a family with kids in school is very much a last resort.

well of course

that doesn't mean that people don't so it

tim

On Sat, 5 Oct 2019 12:28:34 +0100
"tim..." wrote:
wrote in message ...
On Fri, 04 Oct 2019 10:47:38 +0100
David Cantrell wrote:
On Thu, Oct 03, 2019 at 11:56:27AM +0000, wrote:
On Thu, 03 Oct 2019 12:43:48 +0100
David Cantrell wrote:
On Wed, Oct 02, 2019 at 04:39:40PM +0100, Roland Perry wrote:
And moving house to be near a job, especially one like Heathrow,
isn't
a walk in the park.
It's something that vast numbers of people did in the past, and that a
lot of people still do. I've done it myself.
Not quite so easy if you have a spouse who also works and kids who go to
school.
Are they supposed to just up sticks because you've had enough of your
commute?

I repeat, it's something that lots of people have done, and lots of
people do do, so is clearly not completely unreasonable. A family is all

Yes - they're normally in their 20s and short term renting with no
commitments.

no they are not

lots of people move house to enable them to take a better job

Yes, lots of young unattached people. When someone is settled with a family
then moving any great distance is something you only do if you really need
if the gain really outweighs the pain. Obviously if you're only moving a few
miles then its not a big deal.

and many of them have families to move as well

Some do, most don't unless they're selfish ****s and #1 always comes first.

The compromise is you lump the commute or find a nearer job.

If those are the choices, then why did they take the job in the first place?

Perhaps when they first took it the commute wasn't so bad but now the traffic
or trains are impossible. Or they needed the money so badly they took anything
to pay the mortgage/tent.

Moving house
when you have a family with kids in school is very much a last resort.

well of course

that doesn't mean that people don't so it

Of course not, just the majority don't.