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In message , at 07:52:21 on Sun, 10 May
2020, michael adams remarked:

"Recliner" wrote in message
...
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 21:36:36 on Sat, 9 May 2020,
Recliner remarked:

Sophie Raworth, the newsreader, is a keen runner, and often commutes to the
BBC that way. During the lockdown, she's been varying her six mile route
to pass through unusually empty areas at lunchtime, and has been taking
photos:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/in-pictures-52155029

It's nice when you've got a well-paid part-time job and have the luxury
of being able to do that kind of thing.

Part-time job? She arrives at lunchtime and does the Six and Ten.

There's simply no pleasing Roland.

If she went to work in a taxi, paid for by the BBC, then that would clearly
be a complete waste of licence payers, i.e. our money.

Compared to her £200k salary, it's peanuts.

Whereas if she jogs to work, then she's clearly got too much time on her hands.

What I'm saying is she's *lucky* to have that time on her hands, so what
she does isn't a particularly good role model for the rest of us.

That and the fact that Roland could obviously make a far better job of
reading an autocue than Sophie Raworth ever could. If only he had the
looks.

I've not done much autocue work, more likely to be on the other side of
the table, having to extemporise sensible sounding answers in real time.

Most recent was with Simon McCoy on BBC afternoon news. And no, they
didn't pay my travelling expenses (but as it happens I was in the area
already when the call came through).
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On 10/05/2020 00:06, michael adams wrote:
"Recliner" wrote in message
...
michael adams wrote:

wrote in message ...
On Sat, 9 May 2020 17:16:40 +0100

"michael adams" wrote:

Thanks. Although with everything closed, presumably, it would probably
be quite frustrating walking around with nowhere to go except maybe
the odd supermarket. Maybe Sainsburys on TCR or Tesco in Googe St
frinstance.

I was taking pictures of the lockdown plus having an nice walk through the
backstreets of the west end and mayfair.


What *would* be useful at any time, would be the ability to take
pictures of streets, buildings, etc. without the intrusive presence
of parked cars everywhere. Along with too much street furniture, about
which nothing can be done of course. Traffic (and pedestrians) can be
largely avoided by starting at 5.a.m. in summer time; although that
then presents the problem of having all the trees in full leaf.


Sophie Raworth, the newsreader, is a keen runner, and often commutes to the
BBC that way. During the lockdown, she's been varying her six mile route
to pass through unusually empty areas at lunchtime, and has been taking
photos:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/in-pictures-52155029

Thanks.

5.a.m. stillness, but in the middle of the day. And in Central London.

Plus the possibility of encountering Sophie Raworth, or Boltar, coming the other way.


Not sure which one scares me more!


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On 10/05/2020 08:38, tim... wrote:


"michael adams" wrote in message
...

"Recliner" wrote in message
...
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 21:36:36 on Sat, 9 May
2020,
Recliner remarked:

Sophie Raworth, the newsreader, is a keen runner, and often
commutes to the
BBC that way.Â* During the lockdown, she's been varying her six mile
route
to pass through unusually empty areas at lunchtime, and has been
taking
photos:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/in-pictures-52155029

It's nice when you've got a well-paid part-time job and have the luxury
of being able to do that kind of thing.

Part-time job?Â* She arrives at lunchtime and does the Six and Ten.

There's simply no pleasing Roland.

If she went to work in a taxi, paid for by the BBC, then that would
clearly
be a complete waste of licence payers, i.e. our money.

Whereas if she jogs to work, then she's clearly got too much time on
her hands.

That and the fact that Roland could obviously make a far better job of
reading an
autocue

just how hard can it be to read an autocue ;-)


Seriously, you'd be surprised how many can't. Allegedly one reason why
Trump keeps going off-piste on his speeches.


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In message , at 10:41:15 on Sat, 9 May 2020,
Recliner remarked:
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 09:46:48 on Sat, 9 May 2020,
Recliner remarked:

We clearly were testing far too few people, not even front-line NHS
staff or elderly people turned out of hospitals into care homes. So
Matt Hancock rashly promises to be testing 100,000 a day by the end of
April, which was a dreamed-up and, as it turns out, unachievable, target.

But he changed the definition of 'testing' just before the target date, so
he could claim to have met it. But it was a lie: the actual number of
*tests* being conducted by then (which is itself a higher number than the
number of people being tested) was actually about 80,000 per day.

The actual number of *people* being tested per day is around 60-70k. That's
certainly a very big improvement, but he's lost a lot of his already weak
credibility by first dreaming up an impossible target, then missing it,
then lying about supposedly achieving it. Why should anyone believe him the
next time?

I don't think many people did believe him. Apart from anything else from
the start - when he took over from Jeremy Hunt - he's been completely
out of his depth.

Yes, very much so. And when the media want to interview a Tory politician
who can speak sense on health issues, it's still Hunt they turn to. Hancock
is one of the most obvious examples of over-promotion, though of course
no-one knew at the time how he would later be tested.

Daily Mail reporting today that he's "on borrowed time" as far as his
cabinet colleagues are concerned.
--
Roland Perry

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"Graeme Wall" wrote in message
...
On 10/05/2020 08:38, tim... wrote:


"michael adams" wrote in message
...

"Recliner" wrote in message
...
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 21:36:36 on Sat, 9 May
2020,
Recliner remarked:

Sophie Raworth, the newsreader, is a keen runner, and often commutes
to the
BBC that way. During the lockdown, she's been varying her six mile
route
to pass through unusually empty areas at lunchtime, and has been
taking
photos:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/in-pictures-52155029

It's nice when you've got a well-paid part-time job and have the
luxury
of being able to do that kind of thing.

Part-time job? She arrives at lunchtime and does the Six and Ten.

There's simply no pleasing Roland.

If she went to work in a taxi, paid for by the BBC, then that would
clearly
be a complete waste of licence payers, i.e. our money.

Whereas if she jogs to work, then she's clearly got too much time on her
hands.

That and the fact that Roland could obviously make a far better job of
reading an
autocue

just how hard can it be to read an autocue ;-)


Seriously,

you do know what smileys are, don't you?

you'd be surprised how many can't. Allegedly one reason why Trump keeps
going off-piste on his speeches.


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In message , at 08:38:00 on Sun, 10 May
2020, tim... remarked:

That and the fact that Roland could obviously make a far better job
of reading an autocue

just how hard can it be to read an autocue ;-)

Old joke about schoolgirl have a go reading autocue and doing the sports
news, about the "British Grand Pricks".

"No, that's Grarn Pree" says the director.

"So why did they write 'Grand Pricks' on the autoqueue" says the girl.
--
Roland Perry

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In message , at 08:41:18 on Sun, 10 May
2020, tim... remarked:
Sophie Raworth, the newsreader, is a keen runner, and often
commutes to the
BBC that way. During the lockdown, she's been varying her six
mile route
to pass through unusually empty areas at lunchtime, and has been taking
photos:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/in-pictures-52155029

It's nice when you've got a well-paid part-time job and have the luxury
of being able to do that kind of thing.

Part-time job? She arrives at lunchtime and does the Six and Ten.

Only a few days a week. And she doesn't do the Ten O'clock every time
she's on the Six O'clock.

Not many people have a home within six miles of Oxford Circus, or can
afford the time to jog back and forth six miles anywhere. And of course
she'll have a dressing room to change

don't all TV presenters have facilities to get washed, changed, made up
before they go on air

regardless of how they have arrived at the studio?

Isn't it just part of the job?

Yes, and he fact almost nobody else does, means how unsuitable her daily
schedule is as a role model for the rest of us.
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Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 10:41:15 on Sat, 9 May 2020,
Recliner remarked:
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 09:46:48 on Sat, 9 May 2020,
Recliner remarked:

We clearly were testing far too few people, not even front-line NHS
staff or elderly people turned out of hospitals into care homes. So
Matt Hancock rashly promises to be testing 100,000 a day by the end of
April, which was a dreamed-up and, as it turns out, unachievable, target.

But he changed the definition of 'testing' just before the target date, so
he could claim to have met it. But it was a lie: the actual number of
*tests* being conducted by then (which is itself a higher number than the
number of people being tested) was actually about 80,000 per day.

The actual number of *people* being tested per day is around 60-70k. That's
certainly a very big improvement, but he's lost a lot of his already weak
credibility by first dreaming up an impossible target, then missing it,
then lying about supposedly achieving it. Why should anyone believe him the
next time?

I don't think many people did believe him. Apart from anything else from
the start - when he took over from Jeremy Hunt - he's been completely
out of his depth.

Yes, very much so. And when the media want to interview a Tory politician
who can speak sense on health issues, it's still Hunt they turn to. Hancock
is one of the most obvious examples of over-promotion, though of course
no-one knew at the time how he would later be tested.

Daily Mail reporting today that he's "on borrowed time" as far as his
cabinet colleagues are concerned.

Yes, that's been the word for a while. But they'll let him carry the can
during the crisis.

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On 10/05/2020 09:00, tim... wrote:


"Graeme Wall" wrote in message
...
On 10/05/2020 08:38, tim... wrote:


"michael adams" wrote in message
...

"Recliner" wrote in message
...
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 21:36:36 on Sat, 9 May
2020,
Recliner remarked:

Sophie Raworth, the newsreader, is a keen runner, and often
commutes to the
BBC that way.Â* During the lockdown, she's been varying her six
mile route
to pass through unusually empty areas at lunchtime, and has been
taking
photos:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/in-pictures-52155029

It's nice when you've got a well-paid part-time job and have the
luxury
of being able to do that kind of thing.

Part-time job?Â* She arrives at lunchtime and does the Six and Ten.

There's simply no pleasing Roland.

If she went to work in a taxi, paid for by the BBC, then that would
clearly
be a complete waste of licence payers, i.e. our money.

Whereas if she jogs to work, then she's clearly got too much time on
her hands.

That and the fact that Roland could obviously make a far better job
of reading an
autocue

just how hard can it be to read an autocue ;-)


Seriously,

you do know what smileys are, don't you?

Yes which is why I put "seriously"

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On 10/05/2020 09:22, Recliner wrote:
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 10:41:15 on Sat, 9 May 2020,
Recliner remarked:
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 09:46:48 on Sat, 9 May 2020,
Recliner remarked:

We clearly were testing far too few people, not even front-line NHS
staff or elderly people turned out of hospitals into care homes. So
Matt Hancock rashly promises to be testing 100,000 a day by the end of
April, which was a dreamed-up and, as it turns out, unachievable, target.

But he changed the definition of 'testing' just before the target date, so
he could claim to have met it. But it was a lie: the actual number of
*tests* being conducted by then (which is itself a higher number than the
number of people being tested) was actually about 80,000 per day.

The actual number of *people* being tested per day is around 60-70k. That's
certainly a very big improvement, but he's lost a lot of his already weak
credibility by first dreaming up an impossible target, then missing it,
then lying about supposedly achieving it. Why should anyone believe him the
next time?

I don't think many people did believe him. Apart from anything else from
the start - when he took over from Jeremy Hunt - he's been completely
out of his depth.

Yes, very much so. And when the media want to interview a Tory politician
who can speak sense on health issues, it's still Hunt they turn to. Hancock
is one of the most obvious examples of over-promotion, though of course
no-one knew at the time how he would later be tested.

Daily Mail reporting today that he's "on borrowed time" as far as his
cabinet colleagues are concerned.

Yes, that's been the word for a while. But they'll let him carry the can
during the crisis.


Apparently he's now claiming that Boris forced him to make the claim
about getting 100,000 tests by the end of April.

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"Roland Perry" wrote in message ...

If she went to work in a taxi, paid for by the BBC, then that would clearly
be a complete waste of licence payers, i.e. our money.

Compared to her £200k salary, it's peanuts.

Is it really £200K ? Just for reading an autocue ? It really makes
you think doesn't it ? Thats' £3.8 k a week. Even after tax that's
still £1.9 k. Every single week. Just for reading an autocue for a
few minutes. You can see why some people are so upset. And its our
Licence Payer's money as well,


What I'm saying is she's *lucky* to have that time on her hands, so what she does isn't
a particularly good role model for the rest of us.

According to your other post, she jogs six miles each way. Which at
a reasonable average speed of 4-6 mph should take between 2 and 3
hours per day.

Are you seriously suggesting that somebody who spends between 2 and 3
hours per day exercising, is a poor role model ?

What do you suggest she should be doing instead ? Sat slumped in in
an armchair watching TV ? Posting messages on UseNet ? Spend a part
of her weekly £1.9 k (after tax) on coke or heroin, which she could
well afford obviously, and pass the time that way ?


michael adams

....

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In message , at 09:54:13 on Sun, 10 May
2020, michael adams remarked:

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...

If she went to work in a taxi, paid for by the BBC, then that would clearly
be a complete waste of licence payers, i.e. our money.

Compared to her £200k salary, it's peanuts.

Is it really £200K ? Just for reading an autocue ? It really makes
you think doesn't it ? Thats' £3.8 k a week. Even after tax that's
still £1.9 k. Every single week. Just for reading an autocue for a
few minutes.

The job's much more than that, but nice try.

You can see why some people are so upset. And its our
Licence Payer's money as well,


What I'm saying is she's *lucky* to have that time on her hands, so
what she does isn't a particularly good role model for the rest of us.

According to your other post, she jogs six miles each way. Which at
a reasonable average speed of 4-6 mph should take between 2 and 3
hours per day.

Are you seriously suggesting that somebody who spends between 2 and 3
hours per day exercising, is a poor role model ?

It's a lot more than most people exercise, but that's not the point.

Few people can fit that type of commute around their work and home life
schedule, even if they weren't having the change/shower etc.

What do you suggest she should be doing instead ?

She has a husband and three youngish children for starters, which is
going to keep all of them busy.
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"Roland Perry" wrote in message ...

Daily Mail reporting today that he's "on borrowed time" as far as his cabinet
colleagues are concerned.

Like it or not, as with Trump, Boris is a sure fire
election winner.

The fact that the more sophisticated among us might not
be able to see the appeal of either of them is neither here nor
there. In fact its precisely why they are so popular.

His colleagues can huff and puff as much as they like but
they're all nonentities as compared with Boris. A loveable
Old Etonian Television Personality with a string of mistresses
behind him who's also economical with the truth - what more
could any political party ask for ?

In fact as with Trump, its difficult to see what Boris
would need to do in order to become unpopular with the public.


michael adams

....







--
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On 10/05/2020 10:00, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 09:54:13 on Sun, 10 May
2020, michael adams remarked:

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...

If she went to work in a taxi, paid for by the BBC, then that would
clearly
be a complete waste of licence payers, i.e. our money.

Compared to her £200k salary, it's peanuts.

Is it really £200K ? Just for reading an autocue ? It really makes
you think doesn't it ?Â* Thats' £3.8 k a week. Even after tax that's
still £1.9 k. Every single week. Just for reading an autocue for a
few minutes.

The job's much more than that, but nice try.

You can see why some people are so upset. And its our
Licence Payer's money as well,


What I'm saying is she's *lucky* to have that time on her hands, so
what she does isn'tÂ* a particularly good role model for the rest of us.

According to your other post, she jogs six miles each way. Which at
a reasonable average speed of 4-6 mph shouldÂ* take between 2 and 3
hours per day.

Are you seriously suggesting that somebody who spends between 2 and 3
hours per day exercising, is a poor role model ?

It's a lot more than most people exercise, but that's not the point.

Few people can fit that type of commute around their work and home life
schedule, even if they weren't having the change/shower etc.

Many people spend (spent!) two to three hours a day commuting.


What do you suggest she should be doing instead ?

She has a husband and three youngish children for starters, which is
going to keep all of them busy.

On £200k she can afford a nanny.

--
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On 10/05/2020 10:13, michael adams wrote:
"Roland Perry" wrote in message ...

Daily Mail reporting today that he's "on borrowed time" as far as his cabinet
colleagues are concerned.

Like it or not, as with Trump, Boris is a sure fire
election winner.

The fact that the more sophisticated among us might not
be able to see the appeal of either of them is neither here nor
there. In fact its precisely why they are so popular.

His colleagues can huff and puff as much as they like but
they're all nonentities as compared with Boris. A loveable
Old Etonian Television Personality with a string of mistresses
behind him who's also economical with the truth - what more
could any political party ask for ?

In fact as with Trump, its difficult to see what Boris
would need to do in order to become unpopular with the public.



Well, at the moment both are trying to kill off their electoral base
through incompetence.

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In message , at 10:54:16 on Sun, 10 May
2020, Graeme Wall remarked:
On 10/05/2020 10:00, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 09:54:13 on Sun, 10 May
2020, michael adams remarked:

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...

If she went to work in a taxi, paid for by the BBC, then that
would clearly
be a complete waste of licence payers, i.e. our money.

Compared to her £200k salary, it's peanuts.

Is it really £200K ? Just for reading an autocue ? It really makes
you think doesn't it ?* Thats' £3.8 k a week. Even after tax that's
still £1.9 k. Every single week. Just for reading an autocue for a
few minutes.
The job's much more than that, but nice try.

You can see why some people are so upset. And its our
Licence Payer's money as well,


What I'm saying is she's *lucky* to have that time on her hands, so
what she does isn't* a particularly good role model for the rest of


According to your other post, she jogs six miles each way. Which at
a reasonable average speed of 4-6 mph should* take between 2 and 3
hours per day.

Are you seriously suggesting that somebody who spends between 2 and 3
hours per day exercising, is a poor role model ?
It's a lot more than most people exercise, but that's not the point.
Few people can fit that type of commute around their work and home
life schedule, even if they weren't having the change/shower etc.

Many people spend (spent!) two to three hours a day commuting.

Not as many as you probably think. See the transport survey I've cited.

What do you suggest she should be doing instead ?
She has a husband and three youngish children for starters, which is
going to keep all of them busy.

On £200k she can afford a nanny.

Which few people can, and part of the reason why her behaviour isn't a
good aspirational model for the rest of society which can't.
--
Roland Perry

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Roland Perry wrote:

I've been what you might call a bit of a poster chid a few times,

Are you sure you haven’t left the word “Wanted� out in front of poster.

GH

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On 10/05/2020 11:33, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 10:54:16 on Sun, 10 May
2020, Graeme Wall remarked:
On 10/05/2020 10:00, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 09:54:13 on Sun, 10 May
2020, michael adams remarked:

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...

If she went to work in a taxi, paid for by the BBC, then that
wouldÂ* clearly
be a complete waste of licence payers, i.e. our money.

Compared to her £200k salary, it's peanuts.

Is it really £200K ? Just for reading an autocue ? It really makes
you think doesn't it ?Â* Thats' £3.8 k a week. Even after tax that's
still £1.9 k. Every single week. Just for reading an autocue for a
few minutes.
Â*The job's much more than that, but nice try.

You can see why some people are so upset. And its our
Licence Payer's money as well,


What I'm saying is she's *lucky* to have that time on her hands, so
what she does isn'tÂ* a particularly good role model for the rest of

According to your other post, she jogs six miles each way. Which at
a reasonable average speed of 4-6 mph shouldÂ* take between 2 and 3
hours per day.

Are you seriously suggesting that somebody who spends between 2 and 3
hours per day exercising, is a poor role model ?
Â*It's a lot more than most people exercise, but that's not the point.
Â*Few people can fit that type of commute around their work and home
lifeÂ* schedule, even if they weren't having the change/shower etc.

Many people spend (spent!) two to three hours a day commuting.

Not as many as you probably think. See the transport survey I've cited.

Probably just as many as I think.


What do you suggest she should be doing instead ?
Â*She has a husband and three youngish children for starters, which is
going to keep all of them busy.

On £200k she can afford a nanny.

Which few people can, and part of the reason why her behaviour isn't a
good aspirational model for the rest of society which can't.

Tall poppy syndrome.


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"michael adams" wrote in message
...

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...

If she went to work in a taxi, paid for by the BBC, then that would
clearly
be a complete waste of licence payers, i.e. our money.

Compared to her £200k salary, it's peanuts.

Is it really £200K ?


BBC Salaries 2019:

"Sophie Raworth - £265,000-£269,999"

HTH

tim

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In message , at 12:55:01 on Sun, 10 May
2020, Graeme Wall remarked:

Many people spend (spent!) two to three hours a day commuting.
Not as many as you probably think. See the transport survey I've
cited.

Probably just as many as I think.

What's the percentage you have in mind?

What do you suggest she should be doing instead ?
*She has a husband and three youngish children for starters, which
is going to keep all of them busy.

On £200k she can afford a nanny.

Which few people can, and part of the reason why her behaviour isn't
a good aspirational model for the rest of society which can't.

Tall poppy syndrome.

It's nothing to do with disparaging what she's achieved, just the
practical situation that employing a nanny is likely to cost more than
the average wage-earner's disposable income. I employed nannies for
about eight years, so I know a bit about the logistics.

Including that not many of them will want to stay up until an hour and
half after someone has finished reading the Ten O'clock news.
--
Roland Perry

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On 10/05/2020 13:16, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 12:55:01 on Sun, 10 May
2020, Graeme Wall remarked:

Many people spend (spent!) two to three hours a day commuting.
Â*Not as many as you probably think. See the transport survey I've cited.

Probably just as many as I think.

What's the percentage you have in mind?

For London, quite high.


What do you suggest she should be doing instead ?
Â*She has a husband and three youngish children for starters, which
isÂ* going to keep all of them busy.

On £200k she can afford a nanny.

Â*Which few people can, and part of the reason why her behaviour isn't
aÂ* good aspirational model for the rest of society which can't.

Tall poppy syndrome.

It's nothing to do with disparaging what she's achieved, just the
practical situation that employing a nanny is likely to cost more than
the average wage-earner's disposable income. I employed nannies for
about eight years, so I know a bit about the logistics.

Including that not many of them will want to stay up until an hour and
half after someone has finished reading the Ten O'clock news.

By which time her husband is home.

--
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"Graeme Wall" wrote in message
...
On 10/05/2020 13:16, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 12:55:01 on Sun, 10 May 2020,
Graeme Wall remarked:

Many people spend (spent!) two to three hours a day commuting.
Not as many as you probably think. See the transport survey I've
cited.

Probably just as many as I think.

What's the percentage you have in mind?

For London, quite high.

As I said elsewhere the whole thing's an exercise in misreporting of
statistics

Roland's referenced item says that we make approx 1000 trips per year
travelling 7,000 miles, so that's 7 miles per trip (god knows where the oft
quoted 3 miles come from)

But it further says that:
61% of trips, 77% of distance is by car
27% of trips, 3% of distance by walking
2% of trip but 9% of distance by train

(negligible numbers by other modes)

So even without further figures, it should be obvious to anyone with a
degree in anything approaching a sensible subject that:

car and train journeys are disproportionately long

most trips at the shorter end of the scale are already done by walking

The possibility of modal change from car/train to walking, is therefore
negligible

tim

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In message , at 13:24:08 on Sun, 10 May
2020, Graeme Wall remarked:
On 10/05/2020 13:16, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 12:55:01 on Sun, 10 May
2020, Graeme Wall remarked:

Many people spend (spent!) two to three hours a day commuting.
*Not as many as you probably think. See the transport survey I've cited.

Probably just as many as I think.
What's the percentage you have in mind?

For London, quite high.

OK, so quote what you had in mind for that, if you don't have anything
in mind for the national average (which we can then look up for
comparison).

[And remember, for a true comparison, we would need people living within
six miles of Oxford Circus too, but that's not a figure that will easily
come to hand]

What do you suggest she should be doing instead ?
*She has a husband and three youngish children for starters,
which is* going to keep all of them busy.

On £200k she can afford a nanny.

*Which few people can, and part of the reason why her behaviour
isn't a* good aspirational model for the rest of society which can't.

Tall poppy syndrome.

It's nothing to do with disparaging what she's achieved, just the
practical situation that employing a nanny is likely to cost more than
the average wage-earner's disposable income. I employed nannies for
about eight years, so I know a bit about the logistics.
Including that not many of them will want to stay up until an hour
and half after someone has finished reading the Ten O'clock news.

By which time her husband is home.

Maybe his work pattern needs a nanny just as much as hers. Or are we
adding yet another outlier "everyone can jog to work like that as long
as you have a nanny *and* a house husband".
--
Roland Perry

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In message , at 13:51:15 on Sun, 10 May
2020, tim... remarked:
Many people spend (spent!) two to three hours a day commuting.
Not as many as you probably think. See the transport survey I've
cited.

Probably just as many as I think.

What's the percentage you have in mind?

For London, quite high.

As I said elsewhere the whole thing's an exercise in misreporting of
statistics

Roland's referenced item says that we make approx 1000 trips per year
travelling 7,000 miles, so that's 7 miles per trip (god knows where the
oft quoted 3 miles come from)

But it further says that:
61% of trips, 77% of distance is by car
27% of trips, 3% of distance by walking
2% of trip but 9% of distance by train

(negligible numbers by other modes)

So even without further figures, it should be obvious to anyone with a
degree in anything approaching a sensible subject that:

car and train journeys are disproportionately long

most trips at the shorter end of the scale are already done by walking

The possibility of modal change from car/train to walking, is therefore
negligible

That's not the question. It's how many people spend 2-3hrs a day
commuting.
--
Roland Perry

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On Sat, 9 May 2020 21:36:36 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
michael adams wrote:

wrote in message ...
On Sat, 9 May 2020 17:16:40 +0100

"michael adams" wrote:

Thanks. Although with everything closed, presumably, it would probably
be quite frustrating walking around with nowhere to go except maybe
the odd supermarket. Maybe Sainsburys on TCR or Tesco in Googe St
frinstance.

I was taking pictures of the lockdown plus having an nice walk through the
backstreets of the west end and mayfair.


What *would* be useful at any time, would be the ability to take
pictures of streets, buildings, etc. without the intrusive presence
of parked cars everywhere. Along with too much street furniture, about
which nothing can be done of course. Traffic (and pedestrians) can be
largely avoided by starting at 5.a.m. in summer time; although that
then presents the problem of having all the trees in full leaf.


Sophie Raworth, the newsreader, is a keen runner, and often commutes to the
BBC that way. During the lockdown, she's been varying her six mile route
to pass through unusually empty areas at lunchtime, and has been taking
photos:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/in-pictures-52155029

Looking at the locations she's photo'd I think she's been taking a rather
convoluted route to work as AFAIK she lives in west london. Not sure how
Kings Cross comes into a running commute to the BBC. Not that I blame her but
it does grate a bit when all the virtue signalling presenters up there have
been repeating the stay at home propaganda ad nauseaum for months.

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On Sat, 9 May 2020 22:20:23 +0100
"michael adams" wrote:
wrote in message ...
On Sat, 9 May 2020 17:16:40 +0100

"michael adams" wrote:

Thanks. Although with everything closed, presumably, it would probably
be quite frustrating walking around with nowhere to go except maybe
the odd supermarket. Maybe Sainsburys on TCR or Tesco in Googe St
frinstance.

I was taking pictures of the lockdown plus having an nice walk through the
backstreets of the west end and mayfair.


What *would* be useful at any time, would be the ability to take
pictures of streets, buildings, etc. without the intrusive presence
of parked cars everywhere. Along with too much street furniture, about
which nothing can be done of course. Traffic (and pedestrians) can be
largely avoided by starting at 5.a.m. in summer time; although that
then presents the problem of having all the trees in full leaf.

I'd be very surprised if a number of film companies haven't sent some
cameramen out to surreptitiously take some stock footage videos of the empty
streets for future films.

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On Sun, 10 May 2020 08:34:40 +0100
"tim..." wrote:
wrote in message ...
On Sat, 9 May 2020 16:53:25 +0100
"tim..." wrote:
wrote in message
...
He's spot on.

"Itâ?Ts time to ask whether Boris Johnson is up to the job"


putting the presentation to one side, Parris appears to be arguing that
the
policy is wrong

but is there really any mainstream opinion that anything except another
three weeks of lockdown is the only sensible policy here, starting from
where we are?

Sweden.

I meant within the UK

are there any voices suggesting that, starting from where we are, there is
any workable alternative to three more weeks (with slight tinkering
perhaps)?

Of course there is - if Boris and his team could find a collective pair of
******** this lockdown nonsense could be ended tommorow. This situation is
now entirely self inflicted.

And stricter lockdowns in spain, italy and france have had next to
no impact on infection rate per head of population. Its pretty obvious
from
anyone who cares to engage brain that the only thing a lockdown is doing
is
sending us into an economic abyss we may not recover from for a decade or
longer and in the meantime there will be a lot of seriously unhappy
unemployed
out on the streets once lockdown is lifted.

but no-one is saying that

except you

Plenty of commentators have been discussion the economic future of this
country and the rest of the world. Perhaps you should read a bit more. As
for civil unrest - france had serious riots last month which went unreported
over here since obviously the childish narrative that everyone is coping
fine in the lockdown couldn't be shown up for what it is.

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On Sun, 10 May 2020 08:46:44 +0100
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 10/05/2020 00:06, michael adams wrote:
"Recliner" wrote in message
...
michael adams wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Sat, 9 May 2020 17:16:40 +0100

"michael adams" wrote:

Thanks. Although with everything closed, presumably, it would probably
be quite frustrating walking around with nowhere to go except maybe
the odd supermarket. Maybe Sainsburys on TCR or Tesco in Googe St
frinstance.

I was taking pictures of the lockdown plus having an nice walk through the

backstreets of the west end and mayfair.


What *would* be useful at any time, would be the ability to take
pictures of streets, buildings, etc. without the intrusive presence
of parked cars everywhere. Along with too much street furniture, about
which nothing can be done of course. Traffic (and pedestrians) can be
largely avoided by starting at 5.a.m. in summer time; although that
then presents the problem of having all the trees in full leaf.


Sophie Raworth, the newsreader, is a keen runner, and often commutes to the
BBC that way. During the lockdown, she's been varying her six mile route
to pass through unusually empty areas at lunchtime, and has been taking
photos:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/in-pictures-52155029

Thanks.

5.a.m. stillness, but in the middle of the day. And in Central London.

Plus the possibility of encountering Sophie Raworth, or Boltar, coming the
other way.


Not sure which one scares me more!

Sophie Raworth is rather cute IMO if a little bit too headgirl-ish for my
tastes.

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wrote:
On Sat, 9 May 2020 21:36:36 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
michael adams wrote:

wrote in message ...
On Sat, 9 May 2020 17:16:40 +0100

"michael adams" wrote:

Thanks. Although with everything closed, presumably, it would probably
be quite frustrating walking around with nowhere to go except maybe
the odd supermarket. Maybe Sainsburys on TCR or Tesco in Googe St
frinstance.

I was taking pictures of the lockdown plus having an nice walk through the
backstreets of the west end and mayfair.


What *would* be useful at any time, would be the ability to take
pictures of streets, buildings, etc. without the intrusive presence
of parked cars everywhere. Along with too much street furniture, about
which nothing can be done of course. Traffic (and pedestrians) can be
largely avoided by starting at 5.a.m. in summer time; although that
then presents the problem of having all the trees in full leaf.


Sophie Raworth, the newsreader, is a keen runner, and often commutes to the
BBC that way. During the lockdown, she's been varying her six mile route
to pass through unusually empty areas at lunchtime, and has been taking
photos:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/in-pictures-52155029

Looking at the locations she's photo'd I think she's been taking a rather
convoluted route to work as AFAIK she lives in west london.

Does she? I assumed she lived in south London, as she also mentions
Waterloo.

Not sure how
Kings Cross comes into a running commute to the BBC. Not that I blame her but
it does grate a bit when all the virtue signalling presenters up there have
been repeating the stay at home propaganda ad nauseaum for months.

She has to commute to work anyway, and this is probably the safest,
healthiest way to do so right now.

Nice empty tube
 

On Mon, 11 May 2020 09:35:22 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Sat, 9 May 2020 21:36:36 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
michael adams wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Sat, 9 May 2020 17:16:40 +0100

"michael adams" wrote:

Thanks. Although with everything closed, presumably, it would probably
be quite frustrating walking around with nowhere to go except maybe
the odd supermarket. Maybe Sainsburys on TCR or Tesco in Googe St
frinstance.

I was taking pictures of the lockdown plus having an nice walk through the

backstreets of the west end and mayfair.


What *would* be useful at any time, would be the ability to take
pictures of streets, buildings, etc. without the intrusive presence
of parked cars everywhere. Along with too much street furniture, about
which nothing can be done of course. Traffic (and pedestrians) can be
largely avoided by starting at 5.a.m. in summer time; although that
then presents the problem of having all the trees in full leaf.


Sophie Raworth, the newsreader, is a keen runner, and often commutes to the
BBC that way. During the lockdown, she's been varying her six mile route
to pass through unusually empty areas at lunchtime, and has been taking
photos:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/in-pictures-52155029

Looking at the locations she's photo'd I think she's been taking a rather
convoluted route to work as AFAIK she lives in west london.

Does she? I assumed she lived in south London, as she also mentions
Waterloo.

I distinctly remember reading she lived in Chiswick. But even if she does
live in south london, you wouldn't go via Kings X to get to oxford circus
where the BBC is.

it does grate a bit when all the virtue signalling presenters up there have
been repeating the stay at home propaganda ad nauseaum for months.

She has to commute to work anyway, and this is probably the safest,
healthiest way to do so right now.

Possibly, depending how healthy one views running as. Personally I don't think
the risks to the knees are worth it hence I cycle instead.

Nice empty tube
 

In message , at 09:35:22 on Mon, 11 May
2020, Recliner remarked:

Sophie Raworth, the newsreader, is a keen runner, and often commutes to the
BBC that way. During the lockdown, she's been varying her six mile route
to pass through unusually empty areas at lunchtime, and has been taking
photos:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/in-pictures-52155029

Looking at the locations she's photo'd I think she's been taking a rather
convoluted route to work as AFAIK she lives in west london.

Does she? I assumed she lived in south London, as she also mentions
Waterloo.

Apart from Kings Cross, and Broadcasting House itself, her published
photos are south of the Central Line.
--
Roland Perry

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wrote:
On Mon, 11 May 2020 09:35:22 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Sat, 9 May 2020 21:36:36 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
michael adams wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Sat, 9 May 2020 17:16:40 +0100

"michael adams" wrote:

Thanks. Although with everything closed, presumably, it would probably
be quite frustrating walking around with nowhere to go except maybe
the odd supermarket. Maybe Sainsburys on TCR or Tesco in Googe St
frinstance.

I was taking pictures of the lockdown plus having an nice walk through the

backstreets of the west end and mayfair.


What *would* be useful at any time, would be the ability to take
pictures of streets, buildings, etc. without the intrusive presence
of parked cars everywhere. Along with too much street furniture, about
which nothing can be done of course. Traffic (and pedestrians) can be
largely avoided by starting at 5.a.m. in summer time; although that
then presents the problem of having all the trees in full leaf.


Sophie Raworth, the newsreader, is a keen runner, and often commutes to the
BBC that way. During the lockdown, she's been varying her six mile route
to pass through unusually empty areas at lunchtime, and has been taking
photos:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/in-pictures-52155029

Looking at the locations she's photo'd I think she's been taking a rather
convoluted route to work as AFAIK she lives in west london.

Does she? I assumed she lived in south London, as she also mentions
Waterloo.

I distinctly remember reading she lived in Chiswick. But even if she does
live in south london, you wouldn't go via Kings X to get to oxford circus
where the BBC is.

Yes, she's certainly not taking the shortest route from wherever it is she
lives.


it does grate a bit when all the virtue signalling presenters up there have
been repeating the stay at home propaganda ad nauseaum for months.

She has to commute to work anyway, and this is probably the safest,
healthiest way to do so right now.

Possibly, depending how healthy one views running as. Personally I don't think
the risks to the knees are worth it hence I cycle instead.

She runs marathons and ultra-marathons, so this is just part of her
training regime. Six miles is probably not much more than a warm-up for
her, so she might be deliberately finding longer, interesting routes.

Nice empty tube
 

In message , at 09:48:45 on Mon, 11 May
2020, remarked:
Sophie Raworth, the newsreader, is a keen runner, and often commutes to the
BBC that way. During the lockdown, she's been varying her six mile route
to pass through unusually empty areas at lunchtime, and has been taking
photos:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/in-pictures-52155029

Looking at the locations she's photo'd I think she's been taking a rather
convoluted route to work as AFAIK she lives in west london.

Does she? I assumed she lived in south London, as she also mentions
Waterloo.

I distinctly remember reading she lived in Chiswick. But even if she does
live in south london, you wouldn't go via Kings X to get to oxford circus
where the BBC is.

According to an estate agent trying to big-up the area:

"David Gandy, Jemima Khan, Olly Murs, Sophie Rayworth, Kelly Jones and
Example (Elliot John Gleave) are all residents of Fulham"

--
Roland Perry

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In message , at 10:04:15 on Mon, 11 May
2020, Recliner remarked:

She has to commute to work anyway, and this is probably the safest,
healthiest way to do so right now.

Possibly, depending how healthy one views running as. Personally I don't think
the risks to the knees are worth it hence I cycle instead.

She runs marathons and ultra-marathons, so this is just part of her
training regime. Six miles is probably not much more than a warm-up for
her, so she might be deliberately finding longer, interesting routes.

Even more the case that this isn't much of a commuting method that the
general public can aspire to.
--
Roland Perry

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wrote in message ...
On Sun, 10 May 2020 08:34:40 +0100
"tim..." wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Sat, 9 May 2020 16:53:25 +0100
"tim..." wrote:
wrote in message
...
He's spot on.

"Itâ?Ts time to ask whether Boris Johnson is up to the job"


putting the presentation to one side, Parris appears to be arguing that
the
policy is wrong

but is there really any mainstream opinion that anything except another
three weeks of lockdown is the only sensible policy here, starting from
where we are?

Sweden.

I meant within the UK

are there any voices suggesting that, starting from where we are, there is
any workable alternative to three more weeks (with slight tinkering
perhaps)?

Of course there is -

then you'll have a cite for that

wont you

if Boris and his team could find a collective pair of
******** this lockdown nonsense could be ended tommorow. This situation is
now entirely self inflicted.

you obviously haven't noticed union sabre-rattling

if Boris said "all schools open tomorrow and everyone should go back to
their daily comment"

The result will be teachers not turning up for work and trains not running
because rail staff wont have turned up

And stricter lockdowns in spain, italy and france have had next to
no impact on infection rate per head of population. Its pretty obvious
from
anyone who cares to engage brain that the only thing a lockdown is doing
is
sending us into an economic abyss we may not recover from for a decade
or
longer and in the meantime there will be a lot of seriously unhappy
unemployed
out on the streets once lockdown is lifted.

but no-one is saying that

except you

Plenty of commentators have been discussion the economic future of this
country and the rest of the world.

so they have

but no-one has publicly said

"we should all go back to work tomorrow"

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On Mon, 11 May 2020 10:04:15 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
Possibly, depending how healthy one views running as. Personally I don't
think
the risks to the knees are worth it hence I cycle instead.

She runs marathons and ultra-marathons, so this is just part of her
training regime. Six miles is probably not much more than a warm-up for
her, so she might be deliberately finding longer, interesting routes.

Makes the most sense. Though technically she was breaking the lockdown rules
by not going direct to work and while the BBC are hot on posting stories about
people breaking them on the beach and in parks I very much doubt we'll see any
comment about their golden girl doing it.

Nice empty tube
 

Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 09:48:45 on Mon, 11 May
2020, remarked:
Sophie Raworth, the newsreader, is a keen runner, and often commutes to the
BBC that way. During the lockdown, she's been varying her six mile route
to pass through unusually empty areas at lunchtime, and has been taking
photos:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/in-pictures-52155029

Looking at the locations she's photo'd I think she's been taking a rather
convoluted route to work as AFAIK she lives in west london.

Does she? I assumed she lived in south London, as she also mentions
Waterloo.

I distinctly remember reading she lived in Chiswick. But even if she does
live in south london, you wouldn't go via Kings X to get to oxford circus
where the BBC is.

According to an estate agent trying to big-up the area:

"David Gandy, Jemima Khan, Olly Murs, Sophie Rayworth, Kelly Jones and
Example (Elliot John Gleave) are all residents of Fulham"


Yes, that makes more sense.

Nice empty tube
 

wrote:
On Mon, 11 May 2020 10:04:15 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
Possibly, depending how healthy one views running as. Personally I don't
think
the risks to the knees are worth it hence I cycle instead.

She runs marathons and ultra-marathons, so this is just part of her
training regime. Six miles is probably not much more than a warm-up for
her, so she might be deliberately finding longer, interesting routes.

Makes the most sense. Though technically she was breaking the lockdown rules
by not going direct to work and while the BBC are hot on posting stories about
people breaking them on the beach and in parks I very much doubt we'll see any
comment about their golden girl doing it.



You're allowed to go out for exercise, and to go to work, so she's not
breaking any rules.

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Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 10:04:15 on Mon, 11 May
2020, Recliner remarked:

She has to commute to work anyway, and this is probably the safest,
healthiest way to do so right now.

Possibly, depending how healthy one views running as. Personally I don't think
the risks to the knees are worth it hence I cycle instead.

She runs marathons and ultra-marathons, so this is just part of her
training regime. Six miles is probably not much more than a warm-up for
her, so she might be deliberately finding longer, interesting routes.

Even more the case that this isn't much of a commuting method that the
general public can aspire to.

Did anyone say it was?

Nice empty tube
 

In message , at 10:19:12 on Mon, 11 May
2020, Recliner remarked:
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 10:04:15 on Mon, 11 May
2020, Recliner remarked:

She has to commute to work anyway, and this is probably the safest,
healthiest way to do so right now.

Possibly, depending how healthy one views running as. Personally I
don't think
the risks to the knees are worth it hence I cycle instead.

She runs marathons and ultra-marathons, so this is just part of her
training regime. Six miles is probably not much more than a warm-up for
her, so she might be deliberately finding longer, interesting routes.

Even more the case that this isn't much of a commuting method that the
general public can aspire to.

Did anyone say it was?

Yes the whole discussion is predicated on the myth that "If Sophie can
avoid public transport and jog to work, the rest of you can too".
--
Roland Perry