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Recliner wrote:

Remember, the lockdown isn't a cure; it's just a way of prolonging
the agony, and only justified to avoid overloading the NHS, which it did
very successfully, even in London.

Exactly. Squeezing the balloon does not deflate the balloon.

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Recliner wrote:
tim... wrote:


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tim... wrote:


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On Tue, 19 May 2020 09:45:14 +0000 (UTC), wrote:

On Tue, 19 May 2020 08:25:34 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
The 2m thing is like a religious prohibition: vaguely based on a
sensible

I hadn't thought of it like that, but it certainly matches peoples
behaviour.
Wierdly - assuming my local supermarket is typical - that behaviour is
forgotten in the aisles. Presumably because its almost impossible to
observe.

Tempting though it may be, most experts say we should not look for
individuals. Superspreading events are determined by a complex mix of
behavioural and environmental factors.

I wonder if its complex in reality. I imagine its the sort of people
who
wipe
their nose with their fingers then go and then go and touch a dozen
items
in
every shop they visit and hardly buy any of them just leaving them on
the
shelves nicely infected. Ditto when they touch the handles in buses and
trains.

In London, cases of coronavirus have dropped dramatically since the
lockdown. The superspreading events that were once spreading the virus
so
widely have now stopped.

I doubt they've stopped , far more likely IMO is that a significant
proportion
of the population have caught the virus without knowing it and are now
immune.

I think it's true that in London, most of the mobile population is now
either immune of not susceptible to the disease. I was in Waitrose
today, and everyone seemed more relaxed. Few of the staff were
bothering to wear the face shields they're supplied with, there was no
special sanitising of the trolley handles, and people got quite close
to each other in the aisles. There was also almost no queue to get in.

The few people with or susceptible to the disease in London are in
care homes or hospitals, and the task now is to stop it getting back
into the wider population.

though we are still getting 3,500 new cases every day

You're out by three orders of magnitude. The number of new cases a day in
London is probably now in single figures:

I mean in the whole country, and it's not the quantum that's the problem,
it's the fact that it has barely moved downwards from the peak, after 6
weeks of Lockdown (AIH it did yesterday)

I've argued before that a regional change in the rules is unfair and
unworkable, so the London number alone is IMHO not relevant


We already have regional variations in the rules, and will see more as
schools start going back. It's not only fair and workable, but is
inevitable.

The virus arrived first in London, which you might regard as unsporting
behaviour on its part, but nobody told it your rules. It had longer to
spread in London before the lockdown started, so London got hit harder and
earlier than anywhere else. It had a higher peak of excess deaths, and then
an earlier decline in new cases. The virus has now almost burned out in
London, but not in the north of England or Scotland, which are a few weeks
behind on the curve.

In fact, their curve was more squashed than London's, so they may need a
significantly longer total period of lockdown before the virus runs its
course. Remember, the lockdown isn't a cure; it's just a way of prolonging
the agony, and only justified to avoid overloading the NHS, which it did
very successfully, even in London.


Follow-up:

The number of new cases in London has now fallen to zero in a 24-hour
period:

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/coronavirus-cases-london-figures-decline-phe-a4446336.html

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"Recliner" wrote in message
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Recliner wrote:
tim... wrote:


"Recliner" wrote in message
...
tim... wrote:


"Recliner" wrote in message
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On Tue, 19 May 2020 09:45:14 +0000 (UTC), wrote:

On Tue, 19 May 2020 08:25:34 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
The 2m thing is like a religious prohibition: vaguely based on a
sensible

I hadn't thought of it like that, but it certainly matches peoples
behaviour.
Wierdly - assuming my local supermarket is typical - that behaviour
is
forgotten in the aisles. Presumably because its almost impossible to
observe.

Tempting though it may be, most experts say we should not look for
individuals. Superspreading events are determined by a complex mix
of
behavioural and environmental factors.

I wonder if its complex in reality. I imagine its the sort of people
who
wipe
their nose with their fingers then go and then go and touch a dozen
items
in
every shop they visit and hardly buy any of them just leaving them
on
the
shelves nicely infected. Ditto when they touch the handles in buses
and
trains.

In London, cases of coronavirus have dropped dramatically since the
lockdown. The superspreading events that were once spreading the
virus
so
widely have now stopped.

I doubt they've stopped , far more likely IMO is that a significant
proportion
of the population have caught the virus without knowing it and are
now
immune.

I think it's true that in London, most of the mobile population is
now
either immune of not susceptible to the disease. I was in Waitrose
today, and everyone seemed more relaxed. Few of the staff were
bothering to wear the face shields they're supplied with, there was
no
special sanitising of the trolley handles, and people got quite close
to each other in the aisles. There was also almost no queue to get
in.

The few people with or susceptible to the disease in London are in
care homes or hospitals, and the task now is to stop it getting back
into the wider population.

though we are still getting 3,500 new cases every day

You're out by three orders of magnitude. The number of new cases a day
in
London is probably now in single figures:

I mean in the whole country, and it's not the quantum that's the
problem,
it's the fact that it has barely moved downwards from the peak, after 6
weeks of Lockdown (AIH it did yesterday)

I've argued before that a regional change in the rules is unfair and
unworkable, so the London number alone is IMHO not relevant


We already have regional variations in the rules, and will see more as
schools start going back. It's not only fair and workable, but is
inevitable.

The virus arrived first in London, which you might regard as unsporting
behaviour on its part, but nobody told it your rules. It had longer to
spread in London before the lockdown started, so London got hit harder
and
earlier than anywhere else. It had a higher peak of excess deaths, and
then
an earlier decline in new cases. The virus has now almost burned out in
London, but not in the north of England or Scotland, which are a few
weeks
behind on the curve.

In fact, their curve was more squashed than London's, so they may need a
significantly longer total period of lockdown before the virus runs its
course. Remember, the lockdown isn't a cure; it's just a way of
prolonging
the agony, and only justified to avoid overloading the NHS, which it did
very successfully, even in London.


Follow-up:

The number of new cases in London has now fallen to zero in a 24-hour
period:

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/coronavirus-cases-london-figures-decline-phe-a4446336.html

and yet, there will be no regional variation in the rules

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...ockdown-covid/


tim

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On Thu, 21 May 2020 09:10:48 +0100
"tim..." wrote:
"Recliner" wrote in message
The number of new cases in London has now fallen to zero in a 24-hour
period:


https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/c...res-decline-ph
e-a4446336.html

and yet, there will be no regional variation in the rules

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...es-regional-va
riation-easing-lockdown-covid/

Given the spinelessness evident at #10 there'll probably be no variation in
the rules for weeks even though other EU countries are now all easing
restrictions far more than us. What did we do to deserve an ineffectual
blustering muppet like Boris in charge at a time like this?

Coronavirus: TfL reveals 20 busiest Tube and train
 

wrote:
On Thu, 21 May 2020 09:10:48 +0100
"tim..." wrote:
"Recliner" wrote in message
The number of new cases in London has now fallen to zero in a 24-hour
period:


https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/c...res-decline-ph
e-a4446336.html

and yet, there will be no regional variation in the rules

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...es-regional-va
riation-easing-lockdown-covid/

Given the spinelessness evident at #10 there'll probably be no variation in
the rules for weeks even though other EU countries are now all easing
restrictions far more than us. What did we do to deserve an ineffectual
blustering muppet like Boris in charge at a time like this?

He's changed a lot since his near-death experience. He was previously a
gung-ho risk-taker, but is now a timid, cautious character, at least in
this respect. Being a new father (yet again) probably also makes him a lot
more cautious.

Coronavirus: TfL reveals 20 busiest Tube and train
 

tim... wrote:


"Recliner" wrote in message
...
Recliner wrote:
tim... wrote:


"Recliner" wrote in message
...
tim... wrote:


"Recliner" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 19 May 2020 09:45:14 +0000 (UTC), wrote:

On Tue, 19 May 2020 08:25:34 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
The 2m thing is like a religious prohibition: vaguely based on a
sensible

I hadn't thought of it like that, but it certainly matches peoples
behaviour.
Wierdly - assuming my local supermarket is typical - that behaviour
is
forgotten in the aisles. Presumably because its almost impossible to
observe.

Tempting though it may be, most experts say we should not look for
individuals. Superspreading events are determined by a complex mix
of
behavioural and environmental factors.

I wonder if its complex in reality. I imagine its the sort of people
who
wipe
their nose with their fingers then go and then go and touch a dozen
items
in
every shop they visit and hardly buy any of them just leaving them
on
the
shelves nicely infected. Ditto when they touch the handles in buses
and
trains.

In London, cases of coronavirus have dropped dramatically since the
lockdown. The superspreading events that were once spreading the
virus
so
widely have now stopped.

I doubt they've stopped , far more likely IMO is that a significant
proportion
of the population have caught the virus without knowing it and are
now
immune.

I think it's true that in London, most of the mobile population is
now
either immune of not susceptible to the disease. I was in Waitrose
today, and everyone seemed more relaxed. Few of the staff were
bothering to wear the face shields they're supplied with, there was
no
special sanitising of the trolley handles, and people got quite close
to each other in the aisles. There was also almost no queue to get
in.

The few people with or susceptible to the disease in London are in
care homes or hospitals, and the task now is to stop it getting back
into the wider population.

though we are still getting 3,500 new cases every day

You're out by three orders of magnitude. The number of new cases a day
in
London is probably now in single figures:

I mean in the whole country, and it's not the quantum that's the
problem,
it's the fact that it has barely moved downwards from the peak, after 6
weeks of Lockdown (AIH it did yesterday)

I've argued before that a regional change in the rules is unfair and
unworkable, so the London number alone is IMHO not relevant


We already have regional variations in the rules, and will see more as
schools start going back. It's not only fair and workable, but is
inevitable.

The virus arrived first in London, which you might regard as unsporting
behaviour on its part, but nobody told it your rules. It had longer to
spread in London before the lockdown started, so London got hit harder
and
earlier than anywhere else. It had a higher peak of excess deaths, and
then
an earlier decline in new cases. The virus has now almost burned out in
London, but not in the north of England or Scotland, which are a few
weeks
behind on the curve.

In fact, their curve was more squashed than London's, so they may need a
significantly longer total period of lockdown before the virus runs its
course. Remember, the lockdown isn't a cure; it's just a way of
prolonging
the agony, and only justified to avoid overloading the NHS, which it did
very successfully, even in London.


Follow-up:

The number of new cases in London has now fallen to zero in a 24-hour
period:

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/coronavirus-cases-london-figures-decline-phe-a4446336.html

and yet, there will be no regional variation in the rules

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...ockdown-covid/

What will probably happen is steady easing of the lockdown in England, but
with some areas imposing local restrictions. For examples wearing of masks
in public places and on transport may be mandatory in some places but not
others. Restaurants and pubs might start reopening next month in London,
but laterÂ*in the north. Schools will make individual decisions.

But it's already clear that most people in London think the crisis is
almost over, and want to get back to normal asap. As realisation dawns that
there are almost no new cases in London, people won't tolerate being locked
indoors, unable to get back to many jobs, for no good reason.

Our government's slowness to act killed a lot of people early in the
crisis; now, that same slowness to act is killing a lot of businesses.

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On 21/05/2020 10:01, wrote:
On Thu, 21 May 2020 09:10:48 +0100
"tim..." wrote:
"Recliner" wrote in message
The number of new cases in London has now fallen to zero in a 24-hour
period:


https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/c...res-decline-ph
e-a4446336.html

and yet, there will be no regional variation in the rules

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...es-regional-va
riation-easing-lockdown-covid/

Given the spinelessness evident at #10 there'll probably be no variation in
the rules for weeks even though other EU countries are now all easing
restrictions far more than us. What did we do to deserve an ineffectual
blustering muppet like Boris in charge at a time like this?


You voted for him.

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

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wrote:

Given the spinelessness evident at #10 there'll probably be no variation in
the rules for weeks even though other EU countries are now all easing
restrictions far more than us. What did we do to deserve an ineffectual
blustering muppet like Boris in charge at a time like this?



Voted for Brexit.


GH

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On Thu, 21 May 2020 09:55:52 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 21 May 2020 09:10:48 +0100
"tim..." wrote:
"Recliner" wrote in message
The number of new cases in London has now fallen to zero in a 24-hour
period:



https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/c...res-decline-ph

e-a4446336.html

and yet, there will be no regional variation in the rules


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...es-regional-va

riation-easing-lockdown-covid/

Given the spinelessness evident at #10 there'll probably be no variation in
the rules for weeks even though other EU countries are now all easing
restrictions far more than us. What did we do to deserve an ineffectual
blustering muppet like Boris in charge at a time like this?

He's changed a lot since his near-death experience. He was previously a
gung-ho risk-taker, but is now a timid, cautious character, at least in
this respect. Being a new father (yet again) probably also makes him a lot
more cautious.

Thats probably true, but he needs to snap out of it and realise the policies
are now doing far more damage than the virus. There was some (probably
exaggerated) figure of 7 million doctor and hospital appointments backlog.
Even if its only 1 million thats a lot of people with potentially serious
problems not having them sorted. And god knows how many cancer patients are
or will soon be dead due to the NHS focusing on covid.

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On Thu, 21 May 2020 17:35:57 +0100
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 21/05/2020 10:01, wrote:
On Thu, 21 May 2020 09:10:48 +0100
"tim..." wrote:
"Recliner" wrote in message
The number of new cases in London has now fallen to zero in a 24-hour
period:



https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/c...res-decline-ph

e-a4446336.html

and yet, there will be no regional variation in the rules


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...es-regional-va

riation-easing-lockdown-covid/

Given the spinelessness evident at #10 there'll probably be no variation in
the rules for weeks even though other EU countries are now all easing
restrictions far more than us. What did we do to deserve an ineffectual
blustering muppet like Boris in charge at a time like this?


You voted for him.

I suspect most people didn't vote for Boris, they voted against Corbyn. I had
no illusions about Boris being useless - he was mayor here for 8 years and
achieved bugger all in that time except some overpriced badly designed buses
and closing tube ticket offices against advice - but he was a lot less risky
proposition than the marxist or the arrogant Jo Swinson.

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wrote:
On Thu, 21 May 2020 17:35:57 +0100
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 21/05/2020 10:01, wrote:
On Thu, 21 May 2020 09:10:48 +0100
"tim..." wrote:
"Recliner" wrote in message
The number of new cases in London has now fallen to zero in a 24-hour
period:



https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/c...res-decline-ph

e-a4446336.html

and yet, there will be no regional variation in the rules


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...es-regional-va

riation-easing-lockdown-covid/

Given the spinelessness evident at #10 there'll probably be no variation in
the rules for weeks even though other EU countries are now all easing
restrictions far more than us. What did we do to deserve an ineffectual
blustering muppet like Boris in charge at a time like this?


You voted for him.

I suspect most people didn't vote for Boris, they voted against Corbyn. I had
no illusions about Boris being useless - he was mayor here for 8 years and
achieved bugger all in that time except some overpriced badly designed buses
and closing tube ticket offices against advice - but he was a lot less risky
proposition than the marxist or the arrogant Jo Swinson.

You do our great leader a disservice: have you forgotten the magnificent
Garden Bridge that nestles beside Waterloo Bridge? Or the ultimate place
to practise social isolation even in normal times, the Thames cable cars
from nowhere to nowhere? Then there's the water cannons that have so
successfully improved policing in London, at so little cost. And I'm sure
even you would enjoy flying from our new Borisport bird sanctuary airport
in the Thames estuary?

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On Fri, 22 May 2020 09:24:59 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
I suspect most people didn't vote for Boris, they voted against Corbyn. I
had
no illusions about Boris being useless - he was mayor here for 8 years and
achieved bugger all in that time except some overpriced badly designed buses
and closing tube ticket offices against advice - but he was a lot less risky

proposition than the marxist or the arrogant Jo Swinson.

You do our great leader a disservice: have you forgotten the magnificent
Garden Bridge that nestles beside Waterloo Bridge? Or the ultimate place

Ah yes, silly me. Still, a lot of planners and designers had a nice xmas
bonus that year on the money spent.

to practise social isolation even in normal times, the Thames cable cars
from nowhere to nowhere? Then there's the water cannons that have so
successfully improved policing in London, at so little cost. And I'm sure

The Dangleway is popular with Tourists! The ones who forgot to get off the
Thames Clipper at Greenwich and ended up at north greenwich by mistake anyway.

The water cannon I will give him a bit - Theresa May was just being a bloody
minded imbecile not allowing them as a last resort given they're already legal
in northern ireland (along with sidearms incidentaly which is never mentioned
when the arm-the-police argument rears its head once a year). But then she
is the perfect example of **** floating to the top.

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On 22/05/2020 09:42, wrote:
On Thu, 21 May 2020 09:55:52 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 21 May 2020 09:10:48 +0100
"tim..." wrote:
"Recliner" wrote in message
The number of new cases in London has now fallen to zero in a 24-hour
period:



https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/c...res-decline-ph

e-a4446336.html

and yet, there will be no regional variation in the rules


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...es-regional-va

riation-easing-lockdown-covid/

Given the spinelessness evident at #10 there'll probably be no variation in
the rules for weeks even though other EU countries are now all easing
restrictions far more than us. What did we do to deserve an ineffectual
blustering muppet like Boris in charge at a time like this?

He's changed a lot since his near-death experience. He was previously a
gung-ho risk-taker, but is now a timid, cautious character, at least in
this respect. Being a new father (yet again) probably also makes him a lot
more cautious.

Thats probably true, but he needs to snap out of it and realise the policies
are now doing far more damage than the virus. There was some (probably
exaggerated) figure of 7 million doctor and hospital appointments backlog.
Even if its only 1 million thats a lot of people with potentially serious
problems not having them sorted. And god knows how many cancer patients are
or will soon be dead due to the NHS focusing on covid.


Interestingly I've just had three reinstated appointments this week.
Mind you they are for November!

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

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wrote in message ...
On Thu, 21 May 2020 09:55:52 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 21 May 2020 09:10:48 +0100
"tim..." wrote:
"Recliner" wrote in message
The number of new cases in London has now fallen to zero in a 24-hour
period:



https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/c...res-decline-ph

e-a4446336.html

and yet, there will be no regional variation in the rules


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...es-regional-va

riation-easing-lockdown-covid/

Given the spinelessness evident at #10 there'll probably be no variation
in
the rules for weeks even though other EU countries are now all easing
restrictions far more than us. What did we do to deserve an ineffectual
blustering muppet like Boris in charge at a time like this?

He's changed a lot since his near-death experience. He was previously a
gung-ho risk-taker, but is now a timid, cautious character, at least in
this respect. Being a new father (yet again) probably also makes him a lot
more cautious.

Thats probably true, but he needs to snap out of it and realise the
policies
are now doing far more damage than the virus. There was some (probably
exaggerated) figure of 7 million doctor and hospital appointments backlog.
Even if its only 1 million thats a lot of people with potentially serious
problems not having them sorted. And god knows how many cancer patients
are
or will soon be dead due to the NHS focusing on covid.

but what can he do if the unions (and apparently loads of parents) are
against this plan

people can't go back to work unless they can send their kids to school and
commute on the train

and the unions are doing their best to block those two things

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wrote in message ...
On Thu, 21 May 2020 17:35:57 +0100
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 21/05/2020 10:01, wrote:
On Thu, 21 May 2020 09:10:48 +0100
"tim..." wrote:
"Recliner" wrote in message
The number of new cases in London has now fallen to zero in a 24-hour
period:



https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/c...res-decline-ph

e-a4446336.html

and yet, there will be no regional variation in the rules


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...es-regional-va

riation-easing-lockdown-covid/

Given the spinelessness evident at #10 there'll probably be no variation
in
the rules for weeks even though other EU countries are now all easing
restrictions far more than us. What did we do to deserve an ineffectual
blustering muppet like Boris in charge at a time like this?


You voted for him.

I suspect most people didn't vote for Boris, they voted against Corbyn. I
had
no illusions about Boris being useless - he was mayor here for 8 years and
achieved bugger all in that time except some overpriced badly designed
buses
and closing tube ticket offices against advice

though that latter items doesn't appear to have been the disaster it was
predicted to be.

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tim... wrote:


wrote in message ...
On Thu, 21 May 2020 17:35:57 +0100
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 21/05/2020 10:01, wrote:
On Thu, 21 May 2020 09:10:48 +0100
"tim..." wrote:
"Recliner" wrote in message
The number of new cases in London has now fallen to zero in a 24-hour
period:



https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/c...res-decline-ph

e-a4446336.html

and yet, there will be no regional variation in the rules


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...es-regional-va

riation-easing-lockdown-covid/

Given the spinelessness evident at #10 there'll probably be no variation
in
the rules for weeks even though other EU countries are now all easing
restrictions far more than us. What did we do to deserve an ineffectual
blustering muppet like Boris in charge at a time like this?


You voted for him.

I suspect most people didn't vote for Boris, they voted against Corbyn. I
had
no illusions about Boris being useless - he was mayor here for 8 years and
achieved bugger all in that time except some overpriced badly designed
buses
and closing tube ticket offices against advice

though that latter items doesn't appear to have been the disaster it was
predicted to be.

True. Both Ken and Boris initially wanted to keep them open, then changed
their minds, and as you say, it's worked out OK.

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On Fri, 22 May 2020 18:27:02 +0100
"tim..." wrote:
wrote in message ...
On Thu, 21 May 2020 09:55:52 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
He's changed a lot since his near-death experience. He was previously a
gung-ho risk-taker, but is now a timid, cautious character, at least in
this respect. Being a new father (yet again) probably also makes him a lot
more cautious.

Thats probably true, but he needs to snap out of it and realise the
policies
are now doing far more damage than the virus. There was some (probably
exaggerated) figure of 7 million doctor and hospital appointments backlog.
Even if its only 1 million thats a lot of people with potentially serious
problems not having them sorted. And god knows how many cancer patients
are
or will soon be dead due to the NHS focusing on covid.

but what can he do if the unions (and apparently loads of parents) are
against this plan

The unions are just sabre rattling and will soon settle down. And I'm a parent
and I have no problem with my child going back to school. If others do then
thats fine by me - smaller class sizes.

people can't go back to work unless they can send their kids to school and
commute on the train

and the unions are doing their best to block those two things

Any government with a working pair of ******** (which rules out the current one)
could enact emergency legislation at a time like this to put the unions
back in their box by making striking illegal for X months and shutting down
any union that proposes it.

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On Fri, 22 May 2020 20:30:06 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
tim... wrote:


wrote in message ...
On Thu, 21 May 2020 17:35:57 +0100
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 21/05/2020 10:01, wrote:
On Thu, 21 May 2020 09:10:48 +0100
"tim..." wrote:
"Recliner" wrote in message
The number of new cases in London has now fallen to zero in a 24-hour
period:




https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/c...res-decline-ph


e-a4446336.html

and yet, there will be no regional variation in the rules



https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...es-regional-va


riation-easing-lockdown-covid/

Given the spinelessness evident at #10 there'll probably be no variation
in
the rules for weeks even though other EU countries are now all easing
restrictions far more than us. What did we do to deserve an ineffectual
blustering muppet like Boris in charge at a time like this?


You voted for him.

I suspect most people didn't vote for Boris, they voted against Corbyn. I
had
no illusions about Boris being useless - he was mayor here for 8 years and
achieved bugger all in that time except some overpriced badly designed
buses
and closing tube ticket offices against advice

though that latter items doesn't appear to have been the disaster it was
predicted to be.

True. Both Ken and Boris initially wanted to keep them open, then changed
their minds, and as you say, it's worked out OK.

Not a disaster, but go to somewhere like oxford street or victoria during
normal times and there'll be a queue of confused tourists waiting to speak
to whichever station worker drew the short straw that morning to be
Mr Information. There's still the same number of staff except now with some
unused office space. What has it achieved?

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wrote in message ...
On Fri, 22 May 2020 18:27:02 +0100
"tim..." wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Thu, 21 May 2020 09:55:52 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
He's changed a lot since his near-death experience. He was previously a
gung-ho risk-taker, but is now a timid, cautious character, at least in
this respect. Being a new father (yet again) probably also makes him a
lot
more cautious.

Thats probably true, but he needs to snap out of it and realise the
policies
are now doing far more damage than the virus. There was some (probably
exaggerated) figure of 7 million doctor and hospital appointments
backlog.
Even if its only 1 million thats a lot of people with potentially
serious
problems not having them sorted. And god knows how many cancer patients
are
or will soon be dead due to the NHS focusing on covid.

but what can he do if the unions (and apparently loads of parents) are
against this plan

The unions are just sabre rattling and will soon settle down. And I'm a
parent
and I have no problem with my child going back to school. If others do
then
thats fine by me - smaller class sizes.

people can't go back to work unless they can send their kids to school and
commute on the train

and the unions are doing their best to block those two things

Any government with a working pair of ******** (which rules out the
current one)
could enact emergency legislation at a time like this to put the unions
back in their box by making striking illegal for X months and shutting
down
any union that proposes it.

refusing to go to work because your workplace is "unsafe" under H&S regs, is
not legally "a strike"

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wrote in message ...
On Fri, 22 May 2020 20:30:06 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
tim... wrote:


wrote in message
...
On Thu, 21 May 2020 17:35:57 +0100
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 21/05/2020 10:01, wrote:
On Thu, 21 May 2020 09:10:48 +0100
"tim..." wrote:
"Recliner" wrote in message
The number of new cases in London has now fallen to zero in a
24-hour
period:




https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/c...res-decline-ph


e-a4446336.html

and yet, there will be no regional variation in the rules



https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...es-regional-va


riation-easing-lockdown-covid/

Given the spinelessness evident at #10 there'll probably be no
variation
in
the rules for weeks even though other EU countries are now all easing
restrictions far more than us. What did we do to deserve an
ineffectual
blustering muppet like Boris in charge at a time like this?


You voted for him.

I suspect most people didn't vote for Boris, they voted against Corbyn.
I
had
no illusions about Boris being useless - he was mayor here for 8 years
and
achieved bugger all in that time except some overpriced badly designed
buses
and closing tube ticket offices against advice

though that latter items doesn't appear to have been the disaster it was
predicted to be.

True. Both Ken and Boris initially wanted to keep them open, then changed
their minds, and as you say, it's worked out OK.

Not a disaster, but go to somewhere like oxford street or victoria during
normal times and there'll be a queue of confused tourists waiting to speak
to whichever station worker drew the short straw that morning to be
Mr Information.

who would have previously been in the long queue for the counter staff

what's the difference here?

There's still the same number of staff except now with some
unused office space. What has it achieved?

the opportunity to make a different use of that office space in the future

Coronavirus: TfL reveals 20 busiest Tube and train
 

wrote:
On Fri, 22 May 2020 20:30:06 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
tim... wrote:


wrote in message ...
On Thu, 21 May 2020 17:35:57 +0100
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 21/05/2020 10:01, wrote:
On Thu, 21 May 2020 09:10:48 +0100
"tim..." wrote:
"Recliner" wrote in message
The number of new cases in London has now fallen to zero in a 24-hour
period:




https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/c...res-decline-ph


e-a4446336.html

and yet, there will be no regional variation in the rules



https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...es-regional-va


riation-easing-lockdown-covid/

Given the spinelessness evident at #10 there'll probably be no variation
in
the rules for weeks even though other EU countries are now all easing
restrictions far more than us. What did we do to deserve an ineffectual
blustering muppet like Boris in charge at a time like this?


You voted for him.

I suspect most people didn't vote for Boris, they voted against Corbyn. I
had
no illusions about Boris being useless - he was mayor here for 8 years and
achieved bugger all in that time except some overpriced badly designed
buses
and closing tube ticket offices against advice

though that latter items doesn't appear to have been the disaster it was
predicted to be.

True. Both Ken and Boris initially wanted to keep them open, then changed
their minds, and as you say, it's worked out OK.

Not a disaster, but go to somewhere like oxford street or victoria during
normal times and there'll be a queue of confused tourists waiting to speak
to whichever station worker drew the short straw that morning to be
Mr Information. There's still the same number of staff except now with some
unused office space. What has it achieved?


I think they now have significantly fewer staff on duty, particularly away
from the dozen or so tourist and visitor hotspots.

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On Sat, 23 May 2020 10:13:16 +0100
"tim..." wrote:
wrote in message ...
On Fri, 22 May 2020 18:27:02 +0100
"tim..." wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Thu, 21 May 2020 09:55:52 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
He's changed a lot since his near-death experience. He was previously a
gung-ho risk-taker, but is now a timid, cautious character, at least in
this respect. Being a new father (yet again) probably also makes him a
lot
more cautious.

Thats probably true, but he needs to snap out of it and realise the
policies
are now doing far more damage than the virus. There was some (probably
exaggerated) figure of 7 million doctor and hospital appointments
backlog.
Even if its only 1 million thats a lot of people with potentially
serious
problems not having them sorted. And god knows how many cancer patients
are
or will soon be dead due to the NHS focusing on covid.

but what can he do if the unions (and apparently loads of parents) are
against this plan

The unions are just sabre rattling and will soon settle down. And I'm a
parent
and I have no problem with my child going back to school. If others do
then
thats fine by me - smaller class sizes.

people can't go back to work unless they can send their kids to school and
commute on the train

and the unions are doing their best to block those two things

Any government with a working pair of ******** (which rules out the
current one)
could enact emergency legislation at a time like this to put the unions
back in their box by making striking illegal for X months and shutting
down
any union that proposes it.

refusing to go to work because your workplace is "unsafe" under H&S regs, is
not legally "a strike"

Except its not unsafe if you believe the scientists. The unions were more
than happy to believe them when they said we needed a lockdown, yet for some
strange reason I can't quite fathom they decide not to believe them when it
means their members may have to go back to actually doing some work.

Coronavirus: TfL reveals 20 busiest Tube and train
 

On Sat, 23 May 2020 10:14:50 +0100
"tim..." wrote:
wrote in message ...
On Fri, 22 May 2020 20:30:06 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
tim... wrote:


wrote in message
...
On Thu, 21 May 2020 17:35:57 +0100
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 21/05/2020 10:01, wrote:
On Thu, 21 May 2020 09:10:48 +0100
"tim..." wrote:
"Recliner" wrote in message
The number of new cases in London has now fallen to zero in a
24-hour
period:




https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/c...gures-decline-
ph


e-a4446336.html

and yet, there will be no regional variation in the rules



https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...ules-regional-
va


riation-easing-lockdown-covid/

Given the spinelessness evident at #10 there'll probably be no
variation
in
the rules for weeks even though other EU countries are now all easing
restrictions far more than us. What did we do to deserve an
ineffectual
blustering muppet like Boris in charge at a time like this?


You voted for him.

I suspect most people didn't vote for Boris, they voted against Corbyn.
I
had
no illusions about Boris being useless - he was mayor here for 8 years
and
achieved bugger all in that time except some overpriced badly designed
buses
and closing tube ticket offices against advice

though that latter items doesn't appear to have been the disaster it was
predicted to be.

True. Both Ken and Boris initially wanted to keep them open, then changed
their minds, and as you say, it's worked out OK.

Not a disaster, but go to somewhere like oxford street or victoria during
normal times and there'll be a queue of confused tourists waiting to speak
to whichever station worker drew the short straw that morning to be
Mr Information.

who would have previously been in the long queue for the counter staff

what's the difference here?

I don't know about you, but I tend to have more information available to me
in a more convenient manner when sitting at a desk than when walking around
trying to poke a tiny smartphone screen. Plus staff behind a window can't be
assaulted.

There's still the same number of staff except now with some
unused office space. What has it achieved?

the opportunity to make a different use of that office space in the future

Its been quite a few years and nothing has happened yet.

Coronavirus: TfL reveals 20 busiest Tube and train
 

wrote:
On Sat, 23 May 2020 10:13:16 +0100
"tim..." wrote:
wrote in message ...
On Fri, 22 May 2020 18:27:02 +0100
"tim..." wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Thu, 21 May 2020 09:55:52 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
He's changed a lot since his near-death experience. He was previously a
gung-ho risk-taker, but is now a timid, cautious character, at least in
this respect. Being a new father (yet again) probably also makes him a
lot
more cautious.

Thats probably true, but he needs to snap out of it and realise the
policies
are now doing far more damage than the virus. There was some (probably
exaggerated) figure of 7 million doctor and hospital appointments
backlog.
Even if its only 1 million thats a lot of people with potentially
serious
problems not having them sorted. And god knows how many cancer patients
are
or will soon be dead due to the NHS focusing on covid.

but what can he do if the unions (and apparently loads of parents) are
against this plan

The unions are just sabre rattling and will soon settle down. And I'm a
parent
and I have no problem with my child going back to school. If others do
then
thats fine by me - smaller class sizes.

people can't go back to work unless they can send their kids to school and
commute on the train

and the unions are doing their best to block those two things

Any government with a working pair of ******** (which rules out the
current one)
could enact emergency legislation at a time like this to put the unions
back in their box by making striking illegal for X months and shutting
down
any union that proposes it.

refusing to go to work because your workplace is "unsafe" under H&S regs, is
not legally "a strike"

Except its not unsafe if you believe the scientists. The unions were more
than happy to believe them when they said we needed a lockdown, yet for some
strange reason I can't quite fathom they decide not to believe them when it
means their members may have to go back to actually doing some work.

Apparently teachers have had a significantly lower death rate from Covid
than the wider population, after correcting for age and gender. The
greatest risk of schools reopening is the journey to and from the school.

Coronavirus: TfL reveals 20 busiest Tube and train
 

On 23/05/2020 09:54, wrote:


Any government with a working pair of ******** (which rules out the current one)
could enact emergency legislation at a time like this to put the unions
back in their box by making striking illegal for X months and shutting down
any union that proposes it.


Wouldn't that risk turning into more of a politician with one bollock
approach?

--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

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In message , at 09:49:46 on Sat, 23 May
2020, Recliner remarked:

Apparently teachers have had a significantly lower death rate from Covid
than the wider population, after correcting for age and gender. The
greatest risk of schools reopening is the journey to and from the school.

Which in my experience is, for teachers, overwhelmingly not on public
transport. Apart from anything else it's not reliable enough to
guarantee to get you for 8.30am, not a minute later.

Also, many bus routes avoid schools before 9am, because they don't want
the hassle of kids on stage buses (yes, I've discussed this specific
issue with a bus company when writing a school's transport policy).
--
Roland Perry

Coronavirus: TfL reveals 20 busiest Tube and train
 

On 23/05/2020 09:54, wrote:
On Fri, 22 May 2020 18:27:02 +0100
"tim..." wrote:
wrote in message ...
On Thu, 21 May 2020 09:55:52 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
He's changed a lot since his near-death experience. He was previously a
gung-ho risk-taker, but is now a timid, cautious character, at least in
this respect. Being a new father (yet again) probably also makes him a lot
more cautious.

Thats probably true, but he needs to snap out of it and realise the
policies
are now doing far more damage than the virus. There was some (probably
exaggerated) figure of 7 million doctor and hospital appointments backlog.
Even if its only 1 million thats a lot of people with potentially serious
problems not having them sorted. And god knows how many cancer patients
are
or will soon be dead due to the NHS focusing on covid.

but what can he do if the unions (and apparently loads of parents) are
against this plan

The unions are just sabre rattling and will soon settle down. And I'm a parent
and I have no problem with my child going back to school. If others do then
thats fine by me - smaller class sizes.

people can't go back to work unless they can send their kids to school and
commute on the train

and the unions are doing their best to block those two things

Any government with a working pair of ******** (which rules out the current one)
could enact emergency legislation at a time like this to put the unions
back in their box by making striking illegal for X months and shutting down
any union that proposes it.


The one thing that would guarantee Mr Cash's wet dream of a general strike.

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

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On Sat, 23 May 2020 11:54:32 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at 09:49:46 on Sat, 23 May
2020, Recliner remarked:

Apparently teachers have had a significantly lower death rate from Covid
than the wider population, after correcting for age and gender. The
greatest risk of schools reopening is the journey to and from the school.

Which in my experience is, for teachers, overwhelmingly not on public
transport. Apart from anything else it's not reliable enough to
guarantee to get you for 8.30am, not a minute later.

Also, many bus routes avoid schools before 9am, because they don't want
the hassle of kids on stage buses (yes, I've discussed this specific
issue with a bus company when writing a school's transport policy).

Yes, I was thinking of the dangers of the drive to work.

Coronavirus: TfL reveals 20 busiest Tube and train
 

In message , at 13:12:04 on
Sat, 23 May 2020, Recliner remarked:

Apparently teachers have had a significantly lower death rate from Covid
than the wider population, after correcting for age and gender. The
greatest risk of schools reopening is the journey to and from the school.

Which in my experience is, for teachers, overwhelmingly not on public
transport. Apart from anything else it's not reliable enough to
guarantee to get you for 8.30am, not a minute later.

Also, many bus routes avoid schools before 9am, because they don't want
the hassle of kids on stage buses (yes, I've discussed this specific
issue with a bus company when writing a school's transport policy).

Yes, I was thinking of the dangers of the drive to work.

Apart from the fact lots of people are driving with their eyes shut
because they apparently expect exclusive use of deserted roads, what's
the risk you allude to?
--
Roland Perry

Coronavirus: TfL reveals 20 busiest Tube and train
 

On Sat, 23 May 2020 13:27:34 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at 13:12:04 on
Sat, 23 May 2020, Recliner remarked:

Apparently teachers have had a significantly lower death rate from Covid
than the wider population, after correcting for age and gender. The
greatest risk of schools reopening is the journey to and from the school.

Which in my experience is, for teachers, overwhelmingly not on public
transport. Apart from anything else it's not reliable enough to
guarantee to get you for 8.30am, not a minute later.

Also, many bus routes avoid schools before 9am, because they don't want
the hassle of kids on stage buses (yes, I've discussed this specific
issue with a bus company when writing a school's transport policy).

Yes, I was thinking of the dangers of the drive to work.

Apart from the fact lots of people are driving with their eyes shut
because they apparently expect exclusive use of deserted roads, what's
the risk you allude to?

Just the normal risks of the road, nothing special. In other words,
their risks of catching covid-19 are no worse than the risks of
everyday life.

Coronavirus: TfL reveals 20 busiest Tube and train
 

In message , at 13:58:22 on
Sat, 23 May 2020, Recliner remarked:
Apparently teachers have had a significantly lower death rate from Covid
than the wider population, after correcting for age and gender. The
greatest risk of schools reopening is the journey to and from the school.

Which in my experience is, for teachers, overwhelmingly not on public
transport. Apart from anything else it's not reliable enough to
guarantee to get you for 8.30am, not a minute later.

Also, many bus routes avoid schools before 9am, because they don't want
the hassle of kids on stage buses (yes, I've discussed this specific
issue with a bus company when writing a school's transport policy).

Yes, I was thinking of the dangers of the drive to work.

Apart from the fact lots of people are driving with their eyes shut
because they apparently expect exclusive use of deserted roads, what's
the risk you allude to?

Just the normal risks of the road, nothing special. In other words,
their risks of catching covid-19 are no worse than the risks of
everyday life.

On the commute, I agree. The risks arise when they get to work.
--
Roland Perry

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On Sat, 23 May 2020 15:09:16 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at 13:58:22 on
Sat, 23 May 2020, Recliner remarked:
Apparently teachers have had a significantly lower death rate from Covid
than the wider population, after correcting for age and gender. The
greatest risk of schools reopening is the journey to and from the school.

Which in my experience is, for teachers, overwhelmingly not on public
transport. Apart from anything else it's not reliable enough to
guarantee to get you for 8.30am, not a minute later.

Also, many bus routes avoid schools before 9am, because they don't want
the hassle of kids on stage buses (yes, I've discussed this specific
issue with a bus company when writing a school's transport policy).

Yes, I was thinking of the dangers of the drive to work.

Apart from the fact lots of people are driving with their eyes shut
because they apparently expect exclusive use of deserted roads, what's
the risk you allude to?

Just the normal risks of the road, nothing special. In other words,
their risks of catching covid-19 are no worse than the risks of
everyday life.

On the commute, I agree. The risks arise when they get to work.

What risks? Playground or gym accidents? Explosions in the science
lab?

Coronavirus: TfL reveals 20 busiest Tube and train
 

In message , at 15:40:12 on
Sat, 23 May 2020, Recliner remarked:
On Sat, 23 May 2020 15:09:16 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at 13:58:22 on
Sat, 23 May 2020, Recliner remarked:
Apparently teachers have had a significantly lower death rate from Covid
than the wider population, after correcting for age and gender. The
greatest risk of schools reopening is the journey to and from the school.

Which in my experience is, for teachers, overwhelmingly not on public
transport. Apart from anything else it's not reliable enough to
guarantee to get you for 8.30am, not a minute later.

Also, many bus routes avoid schools before 9am, because they don't want
the hassle of kids on stage buses (yes, I've discussed this specific
issue with a bus company when writing a school's transport policy).

Yes, I was thinking of the dangers of the drive to work.

Apart from the fact lots of people are driving with their eyes shut
because they apparently expect exclusive use of deserted roads, what's
the risk you allude to?

Just the normal risks of the road, nothing special. In other words,
their risks of catching covid-19 are no worse than the risks of
everyday life.

On the commute, I agree. The risks arise when they get to work.

What risks? Playground or gym accidents? Explosions in the science
lab?

Contact with infected [but possibly asymptotic] pupils (or colleagues,
or non-teaching staff).
--
Roland Perry

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Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 15:40:12 on
Sat, 23 May 2020, Recliner remarked:
On Sat, 23 May 2020 15:09:16 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at 13:58:22 on
Sat, 23 May 2020, Recliner remarked:
Apparently teachers have had a significantly lower death rate from Covid
than the wider population, after correcting for age and gender. The
greatest risk of schools reopening is the journey to and from the school.

Which in my experience is, for teachers, overwhelmingly not on public
transport. Apart from anything else it's not reliable enough to
guarantee to get you for 8.30am, not a minute later.

Also, many bus routes avoid schools before 9am, because they don't want
the hassle of kids on stage buses (yes, I've discussed this specific
issue with a bus company when writing a school's transport policy).

Yes, I was thinking of the dangers of the drive to work.

Apart from the fact lots of people are driving with their eyes shut
because they apparently expect exclusive use of deserted roads, what's
the risk you allude to?

Just the normal risks of the road, nothing special. In other words,
their risks of catching covid-19 are no worse than the risks of
everyday life.

On the commute, I agree. The risks arise when they get to work.

What risks? Playground or gym accidents? Explosions in the science
lab?

Contact with infected [but possibly asymptotic] pupils (or colleagues,
or non-teaching staff).

As I've already pointed out in this thread, teachers have a much lower risk
of contracting Covid than the general public. That's why I said that the
greatest risk to teachers is the commute.

Coronavirus: TfL reveals 20 busiest Tube and train
 

In message , at 20:50:21 on Sat, 23 May
2020, Recliner remarked:

Apparently teachers have had a significantly lower death rate from Covid
than the wider population, after correcting for age and gender. The
greatest risk of schools reopening is the journey to and from the school.

Which in my experience is, for teachers, overwhelmingly not on public
transport. Apart from anything else it's not reliable enough to
guarantee to get you for 8.30am, not a minute later.

Also, many bus routes avoid schools before 9am, because they don't want
the hassle of kids on stage buses (yes, I've discussed this specific
issue with a bus company when writing a school's transport policy).

Yes, I was thinking of the dangers of the drive to work.

Apart from the fact lots of people are driving with their eyes shut
because they apparently expect exclusive use of deserted roads, what's
the risk you allude to?

Just the normal risks of the road, nothing special. In other words,
their risks of catching covid-19 are no worse than the risks of
everyday life.

On the commute, I agree. The risks arise when they get to work.

What risks? Playground or gym accidents? Explosions in the science
lab?

Contact with infected [but possibly asymptotic] pupils (or colleagues,
or non-teaching staff).

As I've already pointed out in this thread, teachers have a much lower risk
of contracting Covid than the general public.

We need a new meme: Ask two different statisticians, get three answers;

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ivided-over-co
ronavirus-risk-to-children-if-schools-reopen

That's why I said that the greatest risk to teachers is the commute.

From RTAs?
--
Roland Perry

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"Recliner" wrote in message
...
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 15:40:12 on
Sat, 23 May 2020, Recliner remarked:
On Sat, 23 May 2020 15:09:16 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at 13:58:22 on
Sat, 23 May 2020, Recliner remarked:
Apparently teachers have had a significantly lower death rate from
Covid
than the wider population, after correcting for age and gender.
The
greatest risk of schools reopening is the journey to and from the
school.

Which in my experience is, for teachers, overwhelmingly not on
public
transport. Apart from anything else it's not reliable enough to
guarantee to get you for 8.30am, not a minute later.

Also, many bus routes avoid schools before 9am, because they don't
want
the hassle of kids on stage buses (yes, I've discussed this
specific
issue with a bus company when writing a school's transport policy).

Yes, I was thinking of the dangers of the drive to work.

Apart from the fact lots of people are driving with their eyes shut
because they apparently expect exclusive use of deserted roads,
what's
the risk you allude to?

Just the normal risks of the road, nothing special. In other words,
their risks of catching covid-19 are no worse than the risks of
everyday life.

On the commute, I agree. The risks arise when they get to work.

What risks? Playground or gym accidents? Explosions in the science
lab?

Contact with infected [but possibly asymptotic] pupils (or colleagues,
or non-teaching staff).

As I've already pointed out in this thread, teachers have a much lower
risk
of contracting Covid than the general public.

This would be teachers not doing their normal job? (Yes I know that schools
are still partially open)

How come they have less chance than the rest of the general public, of
catching the disease in their not-working part of the day

tim

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Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 20:50:21 on Sat, 23 May
2020, Recliner remarked:

Apparently teachers have had a significantly lower death rate from Covid
than the wider population, after correcting for age and gender. The
greatest risk of schools reopening is the journey to and from the school.

Which in my experience is, for teachers, overwhelmingly not on public
transport. Apart from anything else it's not reliable enough to
guarantee to get you for 8.30am, not a minute later.

Also, many bus routes avoid schools before 9am, because they don't want
the hassle of kids on stage buses (yes, I've discussed this specific
issue with a bus company when writing a school's transport policy).

Yes, I was thinking of the dangers of the drive to work.

Apart from the fact lots of people are driving with their eyes shut
because they apparently expect exclusive use of deserted roads, what's
the risk you allude to?

Just the normal risks of the road, nothing special. In other words,
their risks of catching covid-19 are no worse than the risks of
everyday life.

On the commute, I agree. The risks arise when they get to work.

What risks? Playground or gym accidents? Explosions in the science
lab?

Contact with infected [but possibly asymptotic] pupils (or colleagues,
or non-teaching staff).

As I've already pointed out in this thread, teachers have a much lower risk
of contracting Covid than the general public.

We need a new meme: Ask two different statisticians, get three answers;

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ivided-over-co
ronavirus-risk-to-children-if-schools-reopen

That's why I said that the greatest risk to teachers is the commute.

From RTAs?

Yes

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tim... wrote:


"Recliner" wrote in message
...
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 15:40:12 on
Sat, 23 May 2020, Recliner remarked:
On Sat, 23 May 2020 15:09:16 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at 13:58:22 on
Sat, 23 May 2020, Recliner remarked:
Apparently teachers have had a significantly lower death rate from
Covid
than the wider population, after correcting for age and gender.
The
greatest risk of schools reopening is the journey to and from the
school.

Which in my experience is, for teachers, overwhelmingly not on
public
transport. Apart from anything else it's not reliable enough to
guarantee to get you for 8.30am, not a minute later.

Also, many bus routes avoid schools before 9am, because they don't
want
the hassle of kids on stage buses (yes, I've discussed this
specific
issue with a bus company when writing a school's transport policy).

Yes, I was thinking of the dangers of the drive to work.

Apart from the fact lots of people are driving with their eyes shut
because they apparently expect exclusive use of deserted roads,
what's
the risk you allude to?

Just the normal risks of the road, nothing special. In other words,
their risks of catching covid-19 are no worse than the risks of
everyday life.

On the commute, I agree. The risks arise when they get to work.

What risks? Playground or gym accidents? Explosions in the science
lab?

Contact with infected [but possibly asymptotic] pupils (or colleagues,
or non-teaching staff).

As I've already pointed out in this thread, teachers have a much lower
risk
of contracting Covid than the general public.

This would be teachers not doing their normal job? (Yes I know that schools
are still partially open)

How come they have less chance than the rest of the general public, of
catching the disease in their not-working part of the day


They were doing their normal jobs when the virus was spreading most
rapidly.

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On Sat, 23 May 2020 11:33:54 +0100
Arthur Figgis wrote:
On 23/05/2020 09:54, wrote:


Any government with a working pair of ******** (which rules out the current
one)
could enact emergency legislation at a time like this to put the unions
back in their box by making striking illegal for X months and shutting down
any union that proposes it.


Wouldn't that risk turning into more of a politician with one bollock
approach?

I don't follow.

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On Sat, 23 May 2020 12:38:37 +0100
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 23/05/2020 09:54, wrote:
Any government with a working pair of ******** (which rules out the current
one)
could enact emergency legislation at a time like this to put the unions
back in their box by making striking illegal for X months and shutting down
any union that proposes it.


The one thing that would guarantee Mr Cash's wet dream of a general strike.

Unfortunately for Mr Cash its not the 1970s any more. Only a minority of the
working population belong to a union and most of those unions are not militant
but more glorified HR mechanisms. So he could call a general strike but apart
from the usual suspects (rail workers, teachers, various council employees)
life would go on as normal. And the strike itself wouldn't last long since
the strikers would not be paid from union funds and would have no choice but
to go back to work.