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In message , at 09:45:14 on Tue, 19 May
2020, remarked:

the sort of people who wipe their nose with their fingers then go and
then go and touch a dozen items in every shop they visit and hardly buy
any of them just leaving them on the shelves nicely infected.


Some stores have tried a "touch it, you buy it" policy. I don't know how
successfully. But it's what I've been voluntarily doing the last month
or two.
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On Tue, 19 May 2020 09:45:14 +0000 (UTC), wrote:

On Tue, 19 May 2020 08:25:34 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
The 2m thing is like a religious prohibition: vaguely based on a sensible


I hadn't thought of it like that, but it certainly matches peoples behaviour.
Wierdly - assuming my local supermarket is typical - that behaviour is
forgotten in the aisles. Presumably because its almost impossible to observe.

Tempting though it may be, most experts say we should not look for
individuals. Superspreading events are determined by a complex mix of
behavioural and environmental factors.


I wonder if its complex in reality. I imagine its the sort of people who wipe
their nose with their fingers then go and then go and touch a dozen items in
every shop they visit and hardly buy any of them just leaving them on the
shelves nicely infected. Ditto when they touch the handles in buses and trains.

In London, cases of coronavirus have dropped dramatically since the
lockdown. The superspreading events that were once spreading the virus so
widely have now stopped.


I doubt they've stopped , far more likely IMO is that a significant proportion
of the population have caught the virus without knowing it and are now immune.


I think it's true that in London, most of the mobile population is now
either immune of not susceptible to the disease. I was in Waitrose
today, and everyone seemed more relaxed. Few of the staff were
bothering to wear the face shields they're supplied with, there was no
special sanitising of the trolley handles, and people got quite close
to each other in the aisles. There was also almost no queue to get in.

The few people with or susceptible to the disease in London are in
care homes or hospitals, and the task now is to stop it getting back
into the wider population.
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On 19/05/2020 10:24, Roland Perry wrote:

She's got the wrong end of the stick. You should tell her they are to
protect the rest of the world from the wearer, not the other way round.
Then it becomes clear.


But they don't do that either. Touching and fiddling with them
contaminates your hands, you then touch stuff, they are a waste of time
and she has not got the wrong end of the stick at all.

I have seen people wearing the exact same type of paper masks worn by
surgeons, they are, and I repeat, useless for any task in the public arena.

You carry on believing what you want, and so will I. When you show me
your medical qualifications and your expertise in disease control, I
might, just might, take notice of you.

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On 19/05/2020 14:57, MissRiaElaine wrote:
On 19/05/2020 10:24, Roland Perry wrote:

She's got the wrong end of the stick. You should tell her they are to
protect the rest of the world from the wearer, not the other way
round. Then it becomes clear.


But they don't do that either. Touching and fiddling with them
contaminates your hands, you then touch stuff, they are a waste of time
and she has not got the wrong end of the stick at all.

I have seen people wearing the exact same type of paper masks worn by
surgeons, they are, and I repeat, useless for any task in the public arena.

You carry on believing what you want, and so will I. When you show me
your medical qualifications and your expertise in disease control, I
might, just might, take notice of you.
A further point that you may not be aware of the *majority* of masks

that you see people wearing become ineffective after a few minutes due
to the moisture expelled from the wearer, and microscopic droplets will
pass straight through as if it's not there.


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MissRiaElaine wrote:
On 19/05/2020 10:24, Roland Perry wrote:

She's got the wrong end of the stick. You should tell her they are to
protect the rest of the world from the wearer, not the other way round.
Then it becomes clear.


But they don't do that either. Touching and fiddling with them
contaminates your hands, you then touch stuff, they are a waste of time
and she has not got the wrong end of the stick at all.

I have seen people wearing the exact same type of paper masks worn by
surgeons, they are, and I repeat, useless for any task in the public arena.

You carry on believing what you want, and so will I. When you show me
your medical qualifications and your expertise in disease control, I
might, just might, take notice of you.


So what purpose do you think the masks worn by the public are meant to
serve?

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In message , at 14:57:07 on Tue, 19
May 2020, MissRiaElaine remarked:
On 19/05/2020 10:24, Roland Perry wrote:

She's got the wrong end of the stick. You should tell her they are to
protect the rest of the world from the wearer, not the other way
round. Then it becomes clear.


But they don't do that either. Touching and fiddling with them
contaminates your hands, you then touch stuff, they are a waste of time
and she has not got the wrong end of the stick at all.


It's to stop coughs and sneezes, spreading diseases.

[Now where's that a quote from?]

And frankly much more user-friendly than sneezing into your elbow (which
is the NHS's latest advice).
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On 19/05/2020 15:13, Recliner wrote:
So what purpose do you think the masks worn by the public are meant to
serve?


They are a placebo, pure and simple, there to *make* the wearer think
that they are safer.

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In message , Roland Perry
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In message , at 00:01:26 on Tue, 19
May 2020, MissRiaElaine remarked:

Masks worn by the public are NOT meant to protect the wearer.


They're not PPE, and they don't perform the same function as the
gear that operating theatre staff wear to protect themselves from
infection. So your ohs's comments are irrelevant in this context.


The masks that the public may choose to wear on the bus, train,
plane or shop sole purpose is to protect *other* people from the
wearer's saliva, should they be infected. So it doesn't matter in
the slightest if they don or remove them properly, and they don't
need to wash them at 60C. The masks don't need to fit perfectly,
just well enough to stop droplets of the wearer's saliva from being
sprayed around. Without a mask, a sneeze,loud conversation or cough
can spray droplets for several metres, and they'll linger in the
air; with a mask, even a home-made, two-layer, crude one, the
droplets won't get very far. And that's the only reason to wear one.


Just remember, when you wear a mask, you're saving other people from
contamination by *you*, not protecting yourself.


I'd still rather believe her than you.


She's got the wrong end of the stick. You should tell her they are to
protect the rest of the world from the wearer, not the other way round.
Then it becomes clear.


It's amazing how many people still don't 'get' this simple fact
(including some of the scientific 'experts' who are advising the
government).
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Ian
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In message , at 15:50:21 on Tue, 19 May
2020, Sammi Gray-Jones remarked:

So what purpose do you think the masks worn by the public are meant to
serve?


They are a placebo, pure and simple, there to *make* the wearer think
that they are safer.


Rinse and repeat. They don't make the *wearer* safer.
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