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On 06/06/2020 10:18, Recliner wrote:
One reason is that evolutionary pressures makes the virus less lethal.
After all, for the virus to survive and thrive, its hosts also needs to
stay well enough to mix with other potential hosts. If a lethal strain of
the virus immediately makes infected hosts ill, and kills many of them, the
virus can't spread. Conversely, if it mutates to cause minimal symptoms, it
will spread widely. So, benign mutations are more successful than lethal
ones.

If we're really lucky, hosts of the benign variant may develop immunity
to the original versions, providing us with a free vaccine.

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On 06/06/2020 09:29, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 09:17:55 on Sat, 6 Jun 2020,
tim... remarked:
But if an FP holder visits Manchester, they can't use their pass
afterÂ* 11pm, although the locals can. I assume this restriction also
applies toÂ* any ENCTS card from outside Manchester.

It's a long-standing oddity that on Fridays the national bus pass is
notÂ* valid between 11pm and midnight (after midnight of course it's
SaturdayÂ* with no time restrictions).

I suspect that the "all day" rule is just intended to remove the
morning restriction

it's not mean to remove the 11pm restriction

In many areas that point is moot as there are no busses at that time,
and those that are available are more heavily subsidised, hence the
"oldies have to pay" rule

There are even some operators who exclude "night buses" from fully paid
ticket holders (be those all-day, or longer seasons). Requiring
additional one-off payment.

I think it's normal to exclude night buses from one-day tickets. (The
clue is in their name.) For longer seasons, it varies. Edinburgh's
changed a few years ago to include night travel, after a period when
season tickets gave a discount on a one-night ticket.

Edinburgh also has a hybrid ticket, valid one evening and night from 6pm
until about 4:30 am, though night buses are currently suspended.

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In message , at 10:42:25 on Sat, 6 Jun 2020,
Certes remarked:
On 06/06/2020 09:29, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 09:17:55 on Sat, 6 Jun
2020, tim... remarked:
But if an FP holder visits Manchester, they can't use their pass
after* 11pm, although the locals can. I assume this restriction
also applies to* any ENCTS card from outside Manchester.

It's a long-standing oddity that on Fridays the national bus pass
is not* valid between 11pm and midnight (after midnight of course
it's Saturday* with no time restrictions).

I suspect that the "all day" rule is just intended to remove the
morning restriction

it's not mean to remove the 11pm restriction

In many areas that point is moot as there are no busses at that
time, and those that are available are more heavily subsidised,
hence the "oldies have to pay" rule
There are even some operators who exclude "night buses" from fully
paid ticket holders (be those all-day, or longer seasons). Requiring
additional one-off payment.

I think it's normal to exclude night buses from one-day tickets. (The
clue is in their name.)

Public transport day-tickets are usually 4am-4am.

For longer seasons, it varies. Edinburgh's
changed a few years ago to include night travel, after a period when
season tickets gave a discount on a one-night ticket.

Edinburgh also has a hybrid ticket, valid one evening and night from 6pm
until about 4:30 am, though night buses are currently suspended.

--
Roland Perry

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Certes wrote:
On 06/06/2020 10:18, Recliner wrote:
One reason is that evolutionary pressures makes the virus less lethal.
After all, for the virus to survive and thrive, its hosts also needs to
stay well enough to mix with other potential hosts. If a lethal strain of
the virus immediately makes infected hosts ill, and kills many of them, the
virus can't spread. Conversely, if it mutates to cause minimal symptoms, it
will spread widely. So, benign mutations are more successful than lethal
ones.

If we're really lucky, hosts of the benign variant may develop immunity
to the original versions, providing us with a free vaccine.


Yes, that may be part of why pandemics are short-lived. If the benign
version spreads widely, as it's evolved to do, it could mean that the whole
population develops some level of immunity to its nastier cousins.

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"Certes" wrote in message
...
On 06/06/2020 09:29, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 09:17:55 on Sat, 6 Jun 2020,
tim... remarked:
But if an FP holder visits Manchester, they can't use their pass after
11pm, although the locals can. I assume this restriction also applies
to any ENCTS card from outside Manchester.

It's a long-standing oddity that on Fridays the national bus pass is
not valid between 11pm and midnight (after midnight of course it's
Saturday with no time restrictions).

I suspect that the "all day" rule is just intended to remove the morning
restriction

it's not mean to remove the 11pm restriction

In many areas that point is moot as there are no busses at that time,
and those that are available are more heavily subsidised, hence the
"oldies have to pay" rule

There are even some operators who exclude "night buses" from fully paid
ticket holders (be those all-day, or longer seasons). Requiring
additional one-off payment.

I think it's normal to exclude night buses from one-day tickets. (The
clue is in their name.) For longer seasons, it varies. Edinburgh's
changed a few years ago to include night travel, after a period when
season tickets gave a discount on a one-night ticket.

Edinburgh also has a hybrid ticket, valid one evening and night from 6pm
until about 4:30 am, though night buses are currently suspended.

When I was using them around 20yrs ago, Norwich quarterly passes required a
50p single supplement on a night service

James

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On 06/06/2020 11:11, Roland Perry wrote:

Public transport day-tickets are usually 4am-4am.

Are they? One of the first things I look for when buying them is what
they a I've seen until last service, 00:00-24:00, 24 h from purchase,
24 h from first use (handy when staying somewhere overnight), until
midnight, sometime after the morning peak until last service, and
horrendously complicated.


--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

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Certes wrote:
On 06/06/2020 10:18, Recliner wrote:
One reason is that evolutionary pressures makes the virus less lethal.
After all, for the virus to survive and thrive, its hosts also needs to
stay well enough to mix with other potential hosts. If a lethal strain of
the virus immediately makes infected hosts ill, and kills many of them, the
virus can't spread. Conversely, if it mutates to cause minimal symptoms, it
will spread widely. So, benign mutations are more successful than lethal
ones.

If we're really lucky, hosts of the benign variant may develop immunity
to the original versions, providing us with a free vaccine.


Incidentally, here's the original article:
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/could-the-key-to-covid-be-found-in-the-russian-pandemic

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Arthur Figgis wrote:
On 06/06/2020 11:11, Roland Perry wrote:

Public transport day-tickets are usually 4am-4am.

Are they? One of the first things I look for when buying them is what
they a I've seen until last service, 00:00-24:00, 24 h from purchase,
24 h from first use (handy when staying somewhere overnight), until
midnight, sometime after the morning peak until last service, and
horrendously complicated.

The last time I used one, several years ago, the Nice bus day ticket was 24
hours from Tul... er, purchase.

Sam

--
The entity formerly known as
Spit the dummy to reply

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On 06/06/2020 12:02, Recliner wrote:
Certes wrote:
On 06/06/2020 10:18, Recliner wrote:
One reason is that evolutionary pressures makes the virus less lethal.
After all, for the virus to survive and thrive, its hosts also needs to
stay well enough to mix with other potential hosts. If a lethal strain of
the virus immediately makes infected hosts ill, and kills many of them, the
virus can't spread. Conversely, if it mutates to cause minimal symptoms, it
will spread widely. So, benign mutations are more successful than lethal
ones.

If we're really lucky, hosts of the benign variant may develop immunity
to the original versions, providing us with a free vaccine.


Incidentally, here's the original article:
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/could-the-key-to-covid-be-found-in-the-russian-pandemic


Interesting theory.

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

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Recliner wrote:
Marland wrote:
tim... wrote:


"Marland" wrote in message


Most public transport in this country needs external financial support
anyway,
at the moment when you take a journey up in Aberdeen it is highly likely
that your ticket isn’t covering the costs, even more so if you are using
one of the concessionary schemes for older people .
So if people like you decide not to travel it will be more economic and
better for revenue not to run
buses or trains to cater for you at all. No casual passengers, No Need
for subsidy , No Service Needed. Trains and buses become the preserve of
those who have to use them daily for work
and are reserved for use by holders of season rickets

It's not right to conflated workers with season ticket holders

many workers (who use PT to get to work) don't buy season tickets





Which was the reason for the words tacked on the end

“or some form thereof� which you have snipped.

Regular travellers that are used to turn up an go may have to adapt their
habits should space allocation schemes be introduced, what the tickets
would be called I have no idea hence the
some form thereof. It could be just an electronic reservation system but
any thing like that will have to be controlled to make sure those who book
actually make use of it and are not booking just in case and then not
turning up leaving empty space that others could have used.
Personally I can see this will be an opportunity for the train operators to
severely restrict the availability of walk up and go tickets for long
distance services even after the plaque has passed*
but for commuter traffic moving from the situation where even when trains
packed like sardines were not enough to satisfy demand moving to a scenario
where people have to be spaced apart will be such a change as to be
unworkable.

* passing could be it just gets accepted that some people will get it and
some will die.


There was a recent interesting article by (Lord) Matt Ridley in the
Spectator on how previous pandemics have passed. He makes the point that
there have been many pandemics in history, and vaccines are seldom found
(or, at least, not quickly enough to stop them). It's very rarely possible
to completely eliminate a virus, but all pandemics end within a year or
two, with or without scientific intervention (which wasn't possible till
very recently).

One reason is that evolutionary pressures makes the virus less lethal.
After all, for the virus to survive and thrive, its hosts also needs to
stay well enough to mix with other potential hosts. If a lethal strain of
the virus immediately makes infected hosts ill, and kills many of them, the
virus can't spread. Conversely, if it mutates to cause minimal symptoms, it
will spread widely. So, benign mutations are more successful than lethal
ones.

That’s one reason why this virus has been so successful (from the point of
view of the virus) compared with SARS and MERS. Lots of people don’t get
very ill, and it is spread by pre-symptomatic and asymptomatic sufferers.
--
Jeremy Double

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"Arthur Figgis" wrote in message
...
On 06/06/2020 11:11, Roland Perry wrote:

Public transport day-tickets are usually 4am-4am.

Are they? One of the first things I look for when buying them is what they
a I've seen until last service, 00:00-24:00, 24 h from purchase, 24 h
from first use (handy when staying somewhere overnight),

24 hours from first use is common in Europe

but I can't recall anywhere in the UK that uses that method

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Am 06.06.2020 um 18:45 schrieb tim...:


"Arthur Figgis" wrote in message
...
On 06/06/2020 11:11, Roland Perry wrote:

Public transport day-tickets are usually 4am-4am.

Are they? One of the first things I look for when buying them is what
they a I've seen until last service, 00:00-24:00, 24 h from
purchase, 24 h from first use (handy when staying somewhere overnight),

24 hours from first use is common in Europe

but I can't recall anywhere in the UK that uses that method

In my region, they changed from 24h to "up till 2am" about 3 years ago.

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GB wrote:


And, I thought the trains were going to run all night?


Night Tube is suspended indefinitely AIUI.


Anna Noyd-Dryver

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tim... wrote:


"Arthur Figgis" wrote in message
...
On 06/06/2020 11:11, Roland Perry wrote:

Public transport day-tickets are usually 4am-4am.

Are they? One of the first things I look for when buying them is what they
a I've seen until last service, 00:00-24:00, 24 h from purchase, 24 h
from first use (handy when staying somewhere overnight),

24 hours from first use is common in Europe

but I can't recall anywhere in the UK that uses that method


I had a ticket somewhere in Japan (I think it was) like that, which meant
hanging about in the hotel for another hour on the first day to make sure
that the ticket would still be valid for getting to the airport/station (I
can't remember which, or where) for our onwards travel the next day.


Anna Noyd-Dryver

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On 06/06/2020 20:42, Rolf Mantel wrote:
Am 06.06.2020 um 18:45 schrieb tim...:


"Arthur Figgis" wrote in message
...
On 06/06/2020 11:11, Roland Perry wrote:

Public transport day-tickets are usually 4am-4am.

Are they? One of the first things I look for when buying them is what
they a I've seen until last service, 00:00-24:00, 24 h from
purchase, 24 h from first use (handy when staying somewhere overnight),

24 hours from first use is common in Europe

but I can't recall anywhere in the UK that uses that method

In my region, they changed from 24h to "up till 2am" about 3 years ago.

When I was driving in Birmingham, day tickets were valid from 0930 until
close of daytime services. Not sure what they are these days.

--
Ria in Aberdeen

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Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
GB wrote:


And, I thought the trains were going to run all night?


Night Tube is suspended indefinitely AIUI.


… along with London's night economy which it serves. For obvious reasons,
I've not been in a town centre at night lately, but it must be weirdly
empty, with all pubs, restaurants, theatres, clubs, etc closed.

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On 05/06/2020 18:28, Certes wrote:
It's a long-standing oddity that on Fridays the national bus pass is not valid between 11pm and midnight (after midnight of course it's Saturday with no time restrictions).

...whilst presumably you have to be home by midnight on a Sunday?Â* I
wonder whether the "day" used by the checking driver or machine really
changes at 24:00 or at end of service/transition to night buses.

Some time ago I got on a bus at around 23:15 on a Friday night (I was delayed on another route) and half expected to have to pay, and indeed my bus pass didn't work the machine, but the driver said something to the effect of "don't worry about it" and waved me through. There are so few local buses (outside London) that run after midnight that I haven't been able to check whether it would have worked after midnight. But it certainly works quite early on Saturday mornings.

--
Clive Page

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Recliner wrote:
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
GB wrote:


And, I thought the trains were going to run all night?


Night Tube is suspended indefinitely AIUI.


… along with London's night economy which it serves. For obvious reasons,
I've not been in a town centre at night lately, but it must be weirdly
empty, with all pubs, restaurants, theatres, clubs, etc closed.



I was surprised to see one of the burger vans back in the centre of Bristol
at 3am this week.


Night tube has apparently been losing huge amounts of money since it began,
so I suspect that it won't return any time soon.


Anna Noyd-Dryver

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Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
Recliner wrote:
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
GB wrote:


And, I thought the trains were going to run all night?


Night Tube is suspended indefinitely AIUI.


… along with London's night economy which it serves. For obvious reasons,
I've not been in a town centre at night lately, but it must be weirdly
empty, with all pubs, restaurants, theatres, clubs, etc closed.



I was surprised to see one of the burger vans back in the centre of Bristol
at 3am this week.


Night tube has apparently been losing huge amounts of money since it began,
so I suspect that it won't return any time soon.

Ah, I didn't know that. They kept on putting out bullish statements on how
well it was doing, and now popular it's becoming, but not anything on the
finances. You probably have to dig deep into TfL's financial reports to see
an analysis of Night Tube numbers, if they're published at all.

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On 06/06/2020 21:59, Recliner wrote:
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
GB wrote:


And, I thought the trains were going to run all night?


Night Tube is suspended indefinitely AIUI.


… along with London's night economy which it serves. For obvious reasons,
I've not been in a town centre at night lately, but it must be weirdly
empty, with all pubs, restaurants, theatres, clubs, etc closed.

It's like that in the daytime as well. Every time I go food shopping
it's like Sunday in the 1960's, very depressing. I just wonder how many
of the closed shops will reopen, there were enough empty ones along most
of the main streets here before all this started, I dread to think how
many will be like that once they are allowed to reopen.


--
Ria in Aberdeen

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MissRiaElaine wrote:
On 06/06/2020 21:59, Recliner wrote:
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
GB wrote:


And, I thought the trains were going to run all night?


Night Tube is suspended indefinitely AIUI.


… along with London's night economy which it serves. For obvious reasons,
I've not been in a town centre at night lately, but it must be weirdly
empty, with all pubs, restaurants, theatres, clubs, etc closed.

It's like that in the daytime as well. Every time I go food shopping
it's like Sunday in the 1960's, very depressing. I just wonder how many
of the closed shops will reopen, there were enough empty ones along most
of the main streets here before all this started, I dread to think how
many will be like that once they are allowed to reopen.æ

In the day, you have the queues along the pavements or through the car
parks to enter the open shops, pharmacies, supermarkets, bank branches,
etc. Sometimes the queues for different shops overlap, needing to be
choreographed (the really bizarre ones snake through the Ikea car parks,
Disneyland-style).

So, oddly enough, there are quite a few people on the streets, even if most
are, in your favourite phrase, socially distanced. But we need a new
etiquette for whether/when to keep silent or talk to the next person 2m
behind in the slowly-moving queue. In London, silence usually rules, but
I'd expect more chatting in friendly places like Liverpool or Newcastle.

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"Recliner" wrote in message
...
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
Recliner wrote:
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
GB wrote:


And, I thought the trains were going to run all night?


Night Tube is suspended indefinitely AIUI.


… along with London's night economy which it serves. For obvious
reasons,
I've not been in a town centre at night lately, but it must be weirdly
empty, with all pubs, restaurants, theatres, clubs, etc closed.



I was surprised to see one of the burger vans back in the centre of
Bristol
at 3am this week.


Night tube has apparently been losing huge amounts of money since it
began,
so I suspect that it won't return any time soon.

Ah, I didn't know that. They kept on putting out bullish statements on how
well it was doing, and now popular it's becoming, but not anything on the
finances. You probably have to dig deep into TfL's financial reports to
see
an analysis of Night Tube numbers, if they're published at all.

ISTM that once every 10 minutes (if my Google result was correct - I can't
look up current schedules) is far too frequent

even busses, which carry far smaller numbers usually only run ever 30
minutes on each route

So surely every 30 minutes is frequent enough for the tube as well

a 25 minute wait at 2am is nothing compared to the previous wait of 5 hours
on a Sat night/Sun Morning

tim

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"Recliner" wrote in message
...
MissRiaElaine wrote:
On 06/06/2020 21:59, Recliner wrote:
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
GB wrote:


And, I thought the trains were going to run all night?


Night Tube is suspended indefinitely AIUI.


… along with London's night economy which it serves. For obvious
reasons,
I've not been in a town centre at night lately, but it must be weirdly
empty, with all pubs, restaurants, theatres, clubs, etc closed.

It's like that in the daytime as well. Every time I go food shopping
it's like Sunday in the 1960's, very depressing. I just wonder how many
of the closed shops will reopen, there were enough empty ones along most
of the main streets here before all this started, I dread to think how
many will be like that once they are allowed to reopen.æ

In the day, you have the queues along the pavements or through the car
parks to enter the open shops, pharmacies, supermarkets, bank branches,
etc. Sometimes the queues for different shops overlap, needing to be
choreographed (the really bizarre ones snake through the Ikea car parks,
Disneyland-style).

I try and go at a time that I don't have to Q

9am works pretty well

Though the Ikea Q looks unavoidable

I don't need my new shelf unit that badly

(before anyone asks - unavailable for delivery)


tim

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"Anna Noyd-Dryver" wrote in message
...
tim... wrote:


"Arthur Figgis" wrote in message
...
On 06/06/2020 11:11, Roland Perry wrote:

Public transport day-tickets are usually 4am-4am.

Are they? One of the first things I look for when buying them is what
they
a I've seen until last service, 00:00-24:00, 24 h from purchase, 24 h
from first use (handy when staying somewhere overnight),

24 hours from first use is common in Europe

but I can't recall anywhere in the UK that uses that method


I had a ticket somewhere in Japan (I think it was) like that, which meant
hanging about in the hotel for another hour on the first day to make sure
that the ticket would still be valid for getting to the airport/station (I
can't remember which, or where) for our onwards travel the next day.

done that sort of thing many times

:-(

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tim... wrote:


"Recliner" wrote in message
...
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
Recliner wrote:
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
GB wrote:


And, I thought the trains were going to run all night?


Night Tube is suspended indefinitely AIUI.


… along with London's night economy which it serves. For obvious
reasons,
I've not been in a town centre at night lately, but it must be weirdly
empty, with all pubs, restaurants, theatres, clubs, etc closed.



I was surprised to see one of the burger vans back in the centre of
Bristol
at 3am this week.


Night tube has apparently been losing huge amounts of money since it
began,
so I suspect that it won't return any time soon.

Ah, I didn't know that. They kept on putting out bullish statements on how
well it was doing, and now popular it's becoming, but not anything on the
finances. You probably have to dig deep into TfL's financial reports to
see
an analysis of Night Tube numbers, if they're published at all.

ISTM that once every 10 minutes (if my Google result was correct - I can't
look up current schedules) is far too frequent

even busses, which carry far smaller numbers usually only run ever 30
minutes on each route

So surely every 30 minutes is frequent enough for the tube as well

a 25 minute wait at 2am is nothing compared to the previous wait of 5 hours
on a Sat night/Sun Morning


They cut the night bus service back on routes that paralled the Night Tube
— I wonder if the previous service has, or will be, restored?

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"Recliner" wrote in message
...
tim... wrote:


"Recliner" wrote in message
...
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
Recliner wrote:
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
GB wrote:


And, I thought the trains were going to run all night?


Night Tube is suspended indefinitely AIUI.


… along with London's night economy which it serves. For obvious
reasons,
I've not been in a town centre at night lately, but it must be weirdly
empty, with all pubs, restaurants, theatres, clubs, etc closed.



I was surprised to see one of the burger vans back in the centre of
Bristol
at 3am this week.


Night tube has apparently been losing huge amounts of money since it
began,
so I suspect that it won't return any time soon.

Ah, I didn't know that. They kept on putting out bullish statements on
how
well it was doing, and now popular it's becoming, but not anything on
the
finances. You probably have to dig deep into TfL's financial reports to
see
an analysis of Night Tube numbers, if they're published at all.

ISTM that once every 10 minutes (if my Google result was correct - I
can't
look up current schedules) is far too frequent

even busses, which carry far smaller numbers usually only run ever 30
minutes on each route

So surely every 30 minutes is frequent enough for the tube as well

a 25 minute wait at 2am is nothing compared to the previous wait of 5
hours
on a Sat night/Sun Morning


They cut the night bus service back on routes that paralled the Night Tube

how does that work, given that night busses operate 7 days a week

and the tube 2 days a week

I didn't previously notice that night busses were more frequent on Fri and
Sat nights

Every night bus round here, both radial routes and tangential routes seems
to operate every 30 minutes 7 days a week

the only difference being that night frequency continues longer into Sunday
morning before day time frequency commences.

FTAOD, none of them parallel the tube, except in a very minor way

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On Sun, 7 Jun 2020 09:09:05 +0100, "tim..."
wrote:



"Recliner" wrote in message
...
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
Recliner wrote:
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
GB wrote:


And, I thought the trains were going to run all night?


Night Tube is suspended indefinitely AIUI.


… along with London's night economy which it serves. For obvious
reasons,
I've not been in a town centre at night lately, but it must be weirdly
empty, with all pubs, restaurants, theatres, clubs, etc closed.



I was surprised to see one of the burger vans back in the centre of
Bristol
at 3am this week.


Night tube has apparently been losing huge amounts of money since it
began,
so I suspect that it won't return any time soon.

Ah, I didn't know that. They kept on putting out bullish statements on how
well it was doing, and now popular it's becoming, but not anything on the
finances. You probably have to dig deep into TfL's financial reports to
see
an analysis of Night Tube numbers, if they're published at all.

ISTM that once every 10 minutes (if my Google result was correct - I can't
look up current schedules) is far too frequent

even busses, which carry far smaller numbers usually only run ever 30
minutes on each route


You sure? When the Piccadilly Line Night Tube was being floated there
was a TL consultation concerning changes to nearby bus routes. They
proposed reducing the southern part of the N29 from its then current
headway of every 3-5 minutes.

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On 07/06/2020 09:09, tim... wrote:

Night Tube is suspended indefinitely AIUI.

ISTM that once every 10 minutes (if my Google result was correct - I
can't look up current schedules) is far too frequent

even busses, which carry far smaller numbers usually only run ever 30
minutes on each route

So surely every 30 minutes is frequent enough for the tube as well

a 25 minute wait at 2am is nothing compared to the previous wait of 5
hours on a Sat night/Sun Morning

If you're alone, granted, but if you're a young man who's just pulled,
you need to seal the deal before she changes her mind, and making small
talk for 25 minutes will seem like eternity.

--
Basil Jet recently enjoyed listening to
The Lotus Eaters - 1984 - No Sense Of Sin

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On 07/06/2020 10:21, tim... wrote:
"Recliner" wrote in message
...

They cut the night bus service back on routes that paralled the Night
Tube

how does that work, given that night busses operate 7 days a week

and the tube 2 days a week

I didn't previously notice that night busses were more frequent on Fri
and Sat nights

The N29 used to have extra buses that only ran to Wood Green on the
weekends.

FTAOD, none of them parallel the tube, except in a very minor way

That might be true around your way, but the N1, N5 and N91 used to
parallel the tube in a very major way. I haven't checked recently.

--
Basil Jet recently enjoyed listening to
The Lotus Eaters - 1984 - No Sense Of Sin

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"Trolleybus" wrote in message
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On Sun, 7 Jun 2020 09:09:05 +0100, "tim..."
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"Recliner" wrote in message
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Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
Recliner wrote:
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
GB wrote:


And, I thought the trains were going to run all night?


Night Tube is suspended indefinitely AIUI.


. along with London's night economy which it serves. For obvious
reasons,
I've not been in a town centre at night lately, but it must be weirdly
empty, with all pubs, restaurants, theatres, clubs, etc closed.



I was surprised to see one of the burger vans back in the centre of
Bristol
at 3am this week.


Night tube has apparently been losing huge amounts of money since it
began,
so I suspect that it won't return any time soon.

Ah, I didn't know that. They kept on putting out bullish statements on
how
well it was doing, and now popular it's becoming, but not anything on
the
finances. You probably have to dig deep into TfL's financial reports to
see
an analysis of Night Tube numbers, if they're published at all.

ISTM that once every 10 minutes (if my Google result was correct - I can't
look up current schedules) is far too frequent

even busses, which carry far smaller numbers usually only run ever 30
minutes on each route


You sure?

there's no way to check at the moment

But the last time that I checked how I might get back from an airport after
the last train/tube, all the options were 30 minute frequency


When the Piccadilly Line Night Tube was being floated there
was a TL consultation concerning changes to nearby bus routes. They
proposed reducing the southern part of the N29 from its then current
headway of every 3-5 minutes.

seems excessive even as day time route

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On 06/06/2020 23:20, Recliner wrote:
MissRiaElaine wrote:
On 06/06/2020 21:59, Recliner wrote:
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
GB wrote:


And, I thought the trains were going to run all night?


Night Tube is suspended indefinitely AIUI.


… along with London's night economy which it serves. For obvious reasons,
I've not been in a town centre at night lately, but it must be weirdly
empty, with all pubs, restaurants, theatres, clubs, etc closed.

It's like that in the daytime as well. Every time I go food shopping
it's like Sunday in the 1960's, very depressing. I just wonder how many
of the closed shops will reopen, there were enough empty ones along most
of the main streets here before all this started, I dread to think how
many will be like that once they are allowed to reopen.æ

In the day, you have the queues along the pavements or through the car
parks to enter the open shops, pharmacies, supermarkets, bank branches,
etc. Sometimes the queues for different shops overlap, needing to be
choreographed (the really bizarre ones snake through the Ikea car parks,
Disneyland-style).

So, oddly enough, there are quite a few people on the streets, even if most
are, in your favourite phrase, socially distanced. But we need a new
etiquette for whether/when to keep silent or talk to the next person 2m
behind in the slowly-moving queue. In London, silence usually rules, but
I'd expect more chatting in friendly places like Liverpool or Newcastle.

No queuing outside the high street shops here, although there was when
we attempted to buy a new loo seat at B&Q. One look and we decided it
could wait until another day...



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Ria in Aberdeen

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On 07/06/2020 09:11, tim... wrote:

I try and go at a time that I don't have to Q

9am works pretty well

It might for you, but I don't surface until well after that..! Mornings
are ignored as much as possible in this household..!


--
Ria in Aberdeen

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On 07/06/2020 17:01, MissRiaElaine wrote:
On 06/06/2020 23:20, Recliner wrote:
MissRiaElaine wrote:
On 06/06/2020 21:59, Recliner wrote:
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
GB wrote:


And, I thought the trains were going to run all night?


Night Tube is suspended indefinitely AIUI.


… along with London's night economy which it serves. For obvious
reasons,
I've not been in a town centre at night lately, but it must be weirdly
empty, with all pubs, restaurants, theatres, clubs, etc closed.

It's like that in the daytime as well. Every time I go food shopping
it's like Sunday in the 1960's, very depressing. I just wonder how many
of the closed shops will reopen, there were enough empty ones along most
of the main streets here before all this started, I dread to think how
many will be like that once they are allowed to reopen.æ

In the day, you have the queues along the pavements or through the car
parks to enter the open shops, pharmacies, supermarkets, bank branches,
etc. Sometimes the queues for different shops overlap, needing to be
choreographed (the really bizarre ones snake through the Ikea car parks,
Disneyland-style).

So, oddly enough, there are quite a few people on the streets, even if
most
are, in your favourite phrase, socially distanced. But we need a new
etiquette for whether/when to keep silent or talk to the next person 2m
behind in the slowly-moving queue. In London, silence usually rules, but
I'd expect more chatting in friendly places like Liverpool or Newcastle.

No queuing outside the high street shops here, although there was when
we attempted to buy a new loo seat at B&Q. One look and we decided it
could wait until another day...

Toolstation and Screwfix are click and collect at the door although I
don't know if they specifically flog loo seats.

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On Sat, 6 Jun 2020 22:05:52 +0100, Clive Page wrote:

On 05/06/2020 18:28, Certes wrote:
It's a long-standing oddity that on Fridays the national bus pass is not valid between 11pm and midnight (after midnight of course it's Saturday with no time restrictions).

...whilst presumably you have to be home by midnight on a Sunday?* I
wonder whether the "day" used by the checking driver or machine really
changes at 24:00 or at end of service/transition to night buses.

Some time ago I got on a bus at around 23:15 on a Friday night (I was delayed on another route) and half expected to have to pay, and indeed my bus pass didn't work the machine, but the driver said something to the effect of "don't worry about it" and waved me through. There are so few local buses (outside London) that run after midnight that I haven't been able to check whether it would have worked after midnight. But it certainly works quite early on Saturday mornings.

With London Buses that can be a standard scenario if the driver's
terminal has packed up. The bus still completes its journey,
presumably picking up another machine when it passes an appropriate
garage/office.

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On Sun, 7 Jun 2020 10:21:47 +0100, "tim..."
wrote:



"Recliner" wrote in message
...
tim... wrote:


"Recliner" wrote in message
...
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
Recliner wrote:
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
GB wrote:


And, I thought the trains were going to run all night?


Night Tube is suspended indefinitely AIUI.


… along with London's night economy which it serves. For obvious
reasons,
I've not been in a town centre at night lately, but it must be weirdly
empty, with all pubs, restaurants, theatres, clubs, etc closed.



I was surprised to see one of the burger vans back in the centre of
Bristol
at 3am this week.


Night tube has apparently been losing huge amounts of money since it
began,
so I suspect that it won't return any time soon.

Ah, I didn't know that. They kept on putting out bullish statements on
how
well it was doing, and now popular it's becoming, but not anything on
the
finances. You probably have to dig deep into TfL's financial reports to
see
an analysis of Night Tube numbers, if they're published at all.

ISTM that once every 10 minutes (if my Google result was correct - I
can't
look up current schedules) is far too frequent

even busses, which carry far smaller numbers usually only run ever 30
minutes on each route

So surely every 30 minutes is frequent enough for the tube as well

Try that about 04.00 on the Jubilee Line from London to Stanmore and
you won't achieve social distancing if the usual passengers are
present.

a 25 minute wait at 2am is nothing compared to the previous wait of 5
hours
on a Sat night/Sun Morning

IME that can often be a normal waiting time on the Piccadilly Line
around 03.00. The service seems very random compared with the Jubilee
and Northern Lines.

They cut the night bus service back on routes that paralled the Night Tube

how does that work, given that night busses operate 7 days a week

and the tube 2 days a week

Many LB night buses only operate at weekends (e.g. 140, 183) and not
always on all or exactly the same route. The one near me that is 7
days/week (N98) does parallel some of the Jubilee Line.
snip

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On Sun, 7 Jun 2020 17:30:07 +0100,
wrote:

On 07/06/2020 17:01, MissRiaElaine wrote:
On 06/06/2020 23:20, Recliner wrote:
MissRiaElaine wrote:
On 06/06/2020 21:59, Recliner wrote:
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
GB wrote:


And, I thought the trains were going to run all night?


Night Tube is suspended indefinitely AIUI.


… along with London's night economy which it serves. For obvious
reasons,
I've not been in a town centre at night lately, but it must be weirdly
empty, with all pubs, restaurants, theatres, clubs, etc closed.

It's like that in the daytime as well. Every time I go food shopping
it's like Sunday in the 1960's, very depressing. I just wonder how many
of the closed shops will reopen, there were enough empty ones along most
of the main streets here before all this started, I dread to think how
many will be like that once they are allowed to reopen.æ

In the day, you have the queues along the pavements or through the car
parks to enter the open shops, pharmacies, supermarkets, bank branches,
etc. Sometimes the queues for different shops overlap, needing to be
choreographed (the really bizarre ones snake through the Ikea car parks,
Disneyland-style).

So, oddly enough, there are quite a few people on the streets, even if
most
are, in your favourite phrase, socially distanced. But we need a new
etiquette for whether/when to keep silent or talk to the next person 2m
behind in the slowly-moving queue. In London, silence usually rules, but
I'd expect more chatting in friendly places like Liverpool or Newcastle.

No queuing outside the high street shops here, although there was when
we attempted to buy a new loo seat at B&Q. One look and we decided it
could wait until another day...

Toolstation and Screwfix are click and collect at the door although I
don't know if they specifically flog loo seats.

Screwfix do with a Henry Ford style range of colours (mostly white,
some black, one oak, one mahogany-veneered MDF).

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"Charles Ellson" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 7 Jun 2020 10:21:47 +0100, "tim..."
wrote:



"Recliner" wrote in message
...
tim... wrote:


"Recliner" wrote in message
...
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
Recliner wrote:
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
GB wrote:


And, I thought the trains were going to run all night?


Night Tube is suspended indefinitely AIUI.


. along with London's night economy which it serves. For obvious
reasons,
I've not been in a town centre at night lately, but it must be
weirdly
empty, with all pubs, restaurants, theatres, clubs, etc closed.



I was surprised to see one of the burger vans back in the centre of
Bristol
at 3am this week.


Night tube has apparently been losing huge amounts of money since it
began,
so I suspect that it won't return any time soon.

Ah, I didn't know that. They kept on putting out bullish statements on
how
well it was doing, and now popular it's becoming, but not anything on
the
finances. You probably have to dig deep into TfL's financial reports
to
see
an analysis of Night Tube numbers, if they're published at all.

ISTM that once every 10 minutes (if my Google result was correct - I
can't
look up current schedules) is far too frequent

even busses, which carry far smaller numbers usually only run ever 30
minutes on each route

So surely every 30 minutes is frequent enough for the tube as well

Try that about 04.00 on the Jubilee Line from London to Stanmore and
you won't achieve social distancing if the usual passengers are
present.

if the trains are full and overloaded, why is it making a loss?

I don't have a problem with providing a service that matches demand

I was just saying that it the trains are running around carrying fresh air
(a reasonable assumption after a claim that they are loss making), there
should be fewer of them


a 25 minute wait at 2am is nothing compared to the previous wait of 5
hours
on a Sat night/Sun Morning

IME that can often be a normal waiting time on the Piccadilly Line
around 03.00. The service seems very random compared with the Jubilee
and Northern Lines.

They cut the night bus service back on routes that paralled the Night
Tube

how does that work, given that night busses operate 7 days a week

and the tube 2 days a week

Many LB night buses only operate at weekends (e.g. 140, 183)

IME it's not "many"

Round here, of about 20 routes which operate night services only 2 are
weekend only

and I would guess that nearer the centre, the ratio is even smaller

tim

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On Sat, 6 Jun 2020 10:30:56 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
Certes wrote:
On 06/06/2020 10:18, Recliner wrote:
One reason is that evolutionary pressures makes the virus less lethal.
After all, for the virus to survive and thrive, its hosts also needs to
stay well enough to mix with other potential hosts. If a lethal strain of
the virus immediately makes infected hosts ill, and kills many of them, the
virus can't spread. Conversely, if it mutates to cause minimal symptoms, it
will spread widely. So, benign mutations are more successful than lethal
ones.

If we're really lucky, hosts of the benign variant may develop immunity
to the original versions, providing us with a free vaccine.


Yes, that may be part of why pandemics are short-lived. If the benign
version spreads widely, as it's evolved to do, it could mean that the whole
population develops some level of immunity to its nastier cousins.

The alternative method of pandemics stopping is that it kills everyone who
is susceptable. Which is why the black death disappeared for hundreds of
years at a time them came back when genetic immunity had been lost. We're
rather overdue for another dose though cleaner living since the 20th
century in the west and antibiotics has probably done for that particular
disease.

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On Mon, 8 Jun 2020 08:33:57 +0100, "tim..."
wrote:



"Charles Ellson" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 7 Jun 2020 10:21:47 +0100, "tim..."
wrote:



"Recliner" wrote in message
...
tim... wrote:


"Recliner" wrote in message
...
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
Recliner wrote:
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
GB wrote:


And, I thought the trains were going to run all night?


Night Tube is suspended indefinitely AIUI.


. along with London's night economy which it serves. For obvious
reasons,
I've not been in a town centre at night lately, but it must be
weirdly
empty, with all pubs, restaurants, theatres, clubs, etc closed.



I was surprised to see one of the burger vans back in the centre of
Bristol
at 3am this week.


Night tube has apparently been losing huge amounts of money since it
began,
so I suspect that it won't return any time soon.

Ah, I didn't know that. They kept on putting out bullish statements on
how
well it was doing, and now popular it's becoming, but not anything on
the
finances. You probably have to dig deep into TfL's financial reports
to
see
an analysis of Night Tube numbers, if they're published at all.

ISTM that once every 10 minutes (if my Google result was correct - I
can't
look up current schedules) is far too frequent

even busses, which carry far smaller numbers usually only run ever 30
minutes on each route

So surely every 30 minutes is frequent enough for the tube as well

Try that about 04.00 on the Jubilee Line from London to Stanmore and
you won't achieve social distancing if the usual passengers are
present.

if the trains are full and overloaded, why is it making a loss?

Does the Underground make a profit ?

I don't have a problem with providing a service that matches demand

I was just saying that it the trains are running around carrying fresh air

Lots do in normal times.

(a reasonable assumption after a claim that they are loss making),

Is it ?

there should be fewer of them


a 25 minute wait at 2am is nothing compared to the previous wait of 5
hours
on a Sat night/Sun Morning

IME that can often be a normal waiting time on the Piccadilly Line
around 03.00. The service seems very random compared with the Jubilee
and Northern Lines.

They cut the night bus service back on routes that paralled the Night
Tube

how does that work, given that night busses operate 7 days a week

and the tube 2 days a week

Many LB night buses only operate at weekends (e.g. 140, 183)

IME it's not "many"

Round here, of about 20 routes which operate night services only 2 are
weekend only

2 out of 2 "round here" are weekend only. The nearest all week one is
a mile walk away.

and I would guess that nearer the centre, the ratio is even smaller

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Charles Ellson wrote:
On Mon, 8 Jun 2020 08:33:57 +0100, "tim..."
wrote:



"Charles Ellson" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 7 Jun 2020 10:21:47 +0100, "tim..."
wrote:



"Recliner" wrote in message
...
tim... wrote:


"Recliner" wrote in message
...
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
Recliner wrote:
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
GB wrote:


And, I thought the trains were going to run all night?


Night Tube is suspended indefinitely AIUI.


. along with London's night economy which it serves. For obvious
reasons,
I've not been in a town centre at night lately, but it must be
weirdly
empty, with all pubs, restaurants, theatres, clubs, etc closed.



I was surprised to see one of the burger vans back in the centre of
Bristol
at 3am this week.


Night tube has apparently been losing huge amounts of money since it
began,
so I suspect that it won't return any time soon.

Ah, I didn't know that. They kept on putting out bullish statements on
how
well it was doing, and now popular it's becoming, but not anything on
the
finances. You probably have to dig deep into TfL's financial reports
to
see
an analysis of Night Tube numbers, if they're published at all.

ISTM that once every 10 minutes (if my Google result was correct - I
can't
look up current schedules) is far too frequent

even busses, which carry far smaller numbers usually only run ever 30
minutes on each route

So surely every 30 minutes is frequent enough for the tube as well

Try that about 04.00 on the Jubilee Line from London to Stanmore and
you won't achieve social distancing if the usual passengers are
present.

if the trains are full and overloaded, why is it making a loss?

Does the Underground make a profit ?

Yes, in normal times, it made an operating profit, which helped to
subsidise the loss-making buses. However, I don't think the operating
profit was ever enough to fully fund the capital investment, so it didn't
make a true, bottom line profit.