Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
Recliner wrote:
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
GB wrote:


And, I thought the trains were going to run all night?


Night Tube is suspended indefinitely AIUI.


… along with London's night economy which it serves. For obvious reasons,
I've not been in a town centre at night lately, but it must be weirdly
empty, with all pubs, restaurants, theatres, clubs, etc closed.



I was surprised to see one of the burger vans back in the centre of Bristol
at 3am this week.


Night tube has apparently been losing huge amounts of money since it began,
so I suspect that it won't return any time soon.

Ah, I didn't know that. They kept on putting out bullish statements on how
well it was doing, and now popular it's becoming, but not anything on the
finances. You probably have to dig deep into TfL's financial reports to see
an analysis of Night Tube numbers, if they're published at all.

"Recliner" wrote in message
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Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
Recliner wrote:
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
GB wrote:


And, I thought the trains were going to run all night?


Night Tube is suspended indefinitely AIUI.


… along with London's night economy which it serves. For obvious
reasons,
I've not been in a town centre at night lately, but it must be weirdly
empty, with all pubs, restaurants, theatres, clubs, etc closed.



I was surprised to see one of the burger vans back in the centre of
Bristol
at 3am this week.


Night tube has apparently been losing huge amounts of money since it
began,
so I suspect that it won't return any time soon.

Ah, I didn't know that. They kept on putting out bullish statements on how
well it was doing, and now popular it's becoming, but not anything on the
finances. You probably have to dig deep into TfL's financial reports to
see
an analysis of Night Tube numbers, if they're published at all.

ISTM that once every 10 minutes (if my Google result was correct - I can't
look up current schedules) is far too frequent

even busses, which carry far smaller numbers usually only run ever 30
minutes on each route

So surely every 30 minutes is frequent enough for the tube as well

a 25 minute wait at 2am is nothing compared to the previous wait of 5 hours
on a Sat night/Sun Morning

tim

tim... wrote:


"Recliner" wrote in message
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Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
Recliner wrote:
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
GB wrote:


And, I thought the trains were going to run all night?


Night Tube is suspended indefinitely AIUI.


… along with London's night economy which it serves. For obvious
reasons,
I've not been in a town centre at night lately, but it must be weirdly
empty, with all pubs, restaurants, theatres, clubs, etc closed.



I was surprised to see one of the burger vans back in the centre of
Bristol
at 3am this week.


Night tube has apparently been losing huge amounts of money since it
began,
so I suspect that it won't return any time soon.

Ah, I didn't know that. They kept on putting out bullish statements on how
well it was doing, and now popular it's becoming, but not anything on the
finances. You probably have to dig deep into TfL's financial reports to
see
an analysis of Night Tube numbers, if they're published at all.

ISTM that once every 10 minutes (if my Google result was correct - I can't
look up current schedules) is far too frequent

even busses, which carry far smaller numbers usually only run ever 30
minutes on each route

So surely every 30 minutes is frequent enough for the tube as well

a 25 minute wait at 2am is nothing compared to the previous wait of 5 hours
on a Sat night/Sun Morning


They cut the night bus service back on routes that paralled the Night Tube
— I wonder if the previous service has, or will be, restored?

"Recliner" wrote in message
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tim... wrote:


"Recliner" wrote in message
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Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
Recliner wrote:
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
GB wrote:


And, I thought the trains were going to run all night?


Night Tube is suspended indefinitely AIUI.


… along with London's night economy which it serves. For obvious
reasons,
I've not been in a town centre at night lately, but it must be weirdly
empty, with all pubs, restaurants, theatres, clubs, etc closed.



I was surprised to see one of the burger vans back in the centre of
Bristol
at 3am this week.


Night tube has apparently been losing huge amounts of money since it
began,
so I suspect that it won't return any time soon.

Ah, I didn't know that. They kept on putting out bullish statements on
how
well it was doing, and now popular it's becoming, but not anything on
the
finances. You probably have to dig deep into TfL's financial reports to
see
an analysis of Night Tube numbers, if they're published at all.

ISTM that once every 10 minutes (if my Google result was correct - I
can't
look up current schedules) is far too frequent

even busses, which carry far smaller numbers usually only run ever 30
minutes on each route

So surely every 30 minutes is frequent enough for the tube as well

a 25 minute wait at 2am is nothing compared to the previous wait of 5
hours
on a Sat night/Sun Morning


They cut the night bus service back on routes that paralled the Night Tube

how does that work, given that night busses operate 7 days a week

and the tube 2 days a week

I didn't previously notice that night busses were more frequent on Fri and
Sat nights

Every night bus round here, both radial routes and tangential routes seems
to operate every 30 minutes 7 days a week

the only difference being that night frequency continues longer into Sunday
morning before day time frequency commences.

FTAOD, none of them parallel the tube, except in a very minor way

On 07/06/2020 10:21, tim... wrote:
"Recliner" wrote in message
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They cut the night bus service back on routes that paralled the Night
Tube

how does that work, given that night busses operate 7 days a week

and the tube 2 days a week

I didn't previously notice that night busses were more frequent on Fri
and Sat nights

The N29 used to have extra buses that only ran to Wood Green on the
weekends.

FTAOD, none of them parallel the tube, except in a very minor way

That might be true around your way, but the N1, N5 and N91 used to
parallel the tube in a very major way. I haven't checked recently.

--
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On Sun, 7 Jun 2020 10:21:47 +0100, "tim..."
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"Recliner" wrote in message
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tim... wrote:


"Recliner" wrote in message
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Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
Recliner wrote:
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
GB wrote:


And, I thought the trains were going to run all night?


Night Tube is suspended indefinitely AIUI.


… along with London's night economy which it serves. For obvious
reasons,
I've not been in a town centre at night lately, but it must be weirdly
empty, with all pubs, restaurants, theatres, clubs, etc closed.



I was surprised to see one of the burger vans back in the centre of
Bristol
at 3am this week.


Night tube has apparently been losing huge amounts of money since it
began,
so I suspect that it won't return any time soon.

Ah, I didn't know that. They kept on putting out bullish statements on
how
well it was doing, and now popular it's becoming, but not anything on
the
finances. You probably have to dig deep into TfL's financial reports to
see
an analysis of Night Tube numbers, if they're published at all.

ISTM that once every 10 minutes (if my Google result was correct - I
can't
look up current schedules) is far too frequent

even busses, which carry far smaller numbers usually only run ever 30
minutes on each route

So surely every 30 minutes is frequent enough for the tube as well

Try that about 04.00 on the Jubilee Line from London to Stanmore and
you won't achieve social distancing if the usual passengers are
present.

a 25 minute wait at 2am is nothing compared to the previous wait of 5
hours
on a Sat night/Sun Morning

IME that can often be a normal waiting time on the Piccadilly Line
around 03.00. The service seems very random compared with the Jubilee
and Northern Lines.

They cut the night bus service back on routes that paralled the Night Tube

how does that work, given that night busses operate 7 days a week

and the tube 2 days a week

Many LB night buses only operate at weekends (e.g. 140, 183) and not
always on all or exactly the same route. The one near me that is 7
days/week (N98) does parallel some of the Jubilee Line.
snip

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On Sun, 7 Jun 2020 10:21:47 +0100, "tim..."
wrote:



"Recliner" wrote in message
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tim... wrote:


"Recliner" wrote in message
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Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
Recliner wrote:
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
GB wrote:


And, I thought the trains were going to run all night?


Night Tube is suspended indefinitely AIUI.


. along with London's night economy which it serves. For obvious
reasons,
I've not been in a town centre at night lately, but it must be
weirdly
empty, with all pubs, restaurants, theatres, clubs, etc closed.



I was surprised to see one of the burger vans back in the centre of
Bristol
at 3am this week.


Night tube has apparently been losing huge amounts of money since it
began,
so I suspect that it won't return any time soon.

Ah, I didn't know that. They kept on putting out bullish statements on
how
well it was doing, and now popular it's becoming, but not anything on
the
finances. You probably have to dig deep into TfL's financial reports
to
see
an analysis of Night Tube numbers, if they're published at all.

ISTM that once every 10 minutes (if my Google result was correct - I
can't
look up current schedules) is far too frequent

even busses, which carry far smaller numbers usually only run ever 30
minutes on each route

So surely every 30 minutes is frequent enough for the tube as well

Try that about 04.00 on the Jubilee Line from London to Stanmore and
you won't achieve social distancing if the usual passengers are
present.

if the trains are full and overloaded, why is it making a loss?

I don't have a problem with providing a service that matches demand

I was just saying that it the trains are running around carrying fresh air
(a reasonable assumption after a claim that they are loss making), there
should be fewer of them


a 25 minute wait at 2am is nothing compared to the previous wait of 5
hours
on a Sat night/Sun Morning

IME that can often be a normal waiting time on the Piccadilly Line
around 03.00. The service seems very random compared with the Jubilee
and Northern Lines.

They cut the night bus service back on routes that paralled the Night
Tube

how does that work, given that night busses operate 7 days a week

and the tube 2 days a week

Many LB night buses only operate at weekends (e.g. 140, 183)

IME it's not "many"

Round here, of about 20 routes which operate night services only 2 are
weekend only

and I would guess that nearer the centre, the ratio is even smaller

tim

On Mon, 8 Jun 2020 08:33:57 +0100, "tim..."
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"Charles Ellson" wrote in message
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On Sun, 7 Jun 2020 10:21:47 +0100, "tim..."
wrote:



"Recliner" wrote in message
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tim... wrote:


"Recliner" wrote in message
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Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
Recliner wrote:
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
GB wrote:


And, I thought the trains were going to run all night?


Night Tube is suspended indefinitely AIUI.


. along with London's night economy which it serves. For obvious
reasons,
I've not been in a town centre at night lately, but it must be
weirdly
empty, with all pubs, restaurants, theatres, clubs, etc closed.



I was surprised to see one of the burger vans back in the centre of
Bristol
at 3am this week.


Night tube has apparently been losing huge amounts of money since it
began,
so I suspect that it won't return any time soon.

Ah, I didn't know that. They kept on putting out bullish statements on
how
well it was doing, and now popular it's becoming, but not anything on
the
finances. You probably have to dig deep into TfL's financial reports
to
see
an analysis of Night Tube numbers, if they're published at all.

ISTM that once every 10 minutes (if my Google result was correct - I
can't
look up current schedules) is far too frequent

even busses, which carry far smaller numbers usually only run ever 30
minutes on each route

So surely every 30 minutes is frequent enough for the tube as well

Try that about 04.00 on the Jubilee Line from London to Stanmore and
you won't achieve social distancing if the usual passengers are
present.

if the trains are full and overloaded, why is it making a loss?

Does the Underground make a profit ?

I don't have a problem with providing a service that matches demand

I was just saying that it the trains are running around carrying fresh air

Lots do in normal times.

(a reasonable assumption after a claim that they are loss making),

Is it ?

there should be fewer of them


a 25 minute wait at 2am is nothing compared to the previous wait of 5
hours
on a Sat night/Sun Morning

IME that can often be a normal waiting time on the Piccadilly Line
around 03.00. The service seems very random compared with the Jubilee
and Northern Lines.

They cut the night bus service back on routes that paralled the Night
Tube

how does that work, given that night busses operate 7 days a week

and the tube 2 days a week

Many LB night buses only operate at weekends (e.g. 140, 183)

IME it's not "many"

Round here, of about 20 routes which operate night services only 2 are
weekend only

2 out of 2 "round here" are weekend only. The nearest all week one is
a mile walk away.

and I would guess that nearer the centre, the ratio is even smaller

On Sun, 7 Jun 2020 09:09:05 +0100, "tim..."
wrote:



"Recliner" wrote in message
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Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
Recliner wrote:
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
GB wrote:


And, I thought the trains were going to run all night?


Night Tube is suspended indefinitely AIUI.


… along with London's night economy which it serves. For obvious
reasons,
I've not been in a town centre at night lately, but it must be weirdly
empty, with all pubs, restaurants, theatres, clubs, etc closed.



I was surprised to see one of the burger vans back in the centre of
Bristol
at 3am this week.


Night tube has apparently been losing huge amounts of money since it
began,
so I suspect that it won't return any time soon.

Ah, I didn't know that. They kept on putting out bullish statements on how
well it was doing, and now popular it's becoming, but not anything on the
finances. You probably have to dig deep into TfL's financial reports to
see
an analysis of Night Tube numbers, if they're published at all.

ISTM that once every 10 minutes (if my Google result was correct - I can't
look up current schedules) is far too frequent

even busses, which carry far smaller numbers usually only run ever 30
minutes on each route


You sure? When the Piccadilly Line Night Tube was being floated there
was a TL consultation concerning changes to nearby bus routes. They
proposed reducing the southern part of the N29 from its then current
headway of every 3-5 minutes.

"Trolleybus" wrote in message
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On Sun, 7 Jun 2020 09:09:05 +0100, "tim..."
wrote:



"Recliner" wrote in message
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Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
Recliner wrote:
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
GB wrote:


And, I thought the trains were going to run all night?


Night Tube is suspended indefinitely AIUI.


. along with London's night economy which it serves. For obvious
reasons,
I've not been in a town centre at night lately, but it must be weirdly
empty, with all pubs, restaurants, theatres, clubs, etc closed.



I was surprised to see one of the burger vans back in the centre of
Bristol
at 3am this week.


Night tube has apparently been losing huge amounts of money since it
began,
so I suspect that it won't return any time soon.

Ah, I didn't know that. They kept on putting out bullish statements on
how
well it was doing, and now popular it's becoming, but not anything on
the
finances. You probably have to dig deep into TfL's financial reports to
see
an analysis of Night Tube numbers, if they're published at all.

ISTM that once every 10 minutes (if my Google result was correct - I can't
look up current schedules) is far too frequent

even busses, which carry far smaller numbers usually only run ever 30
minutes on each route


You sure?

there's no way to check at the moment

But the last time that I checked how I might get back from an airport after
the last train/tube, all the options were 30 minute frequency


When the Piccadilly Line Night Tube was being floated there
was a TL consultation concerning changes to nearby bus routes. They
proposed reducing the southern part of the N29 from its then current
headway of every 3-5 minutes.

seems excessive even as day time route