Can't update Oyster card with cash any more
 

I took the tube for the first time in months yesterday and it seems you
can no longer update your oyster card with cash. I asked one of the staff
about this apparently "temporary" measure and he said he doubts the facility
will ever come back and I tend to believe him. So thats another avenue of
anonymity out the window. How long before Oyster cards themselves are
consigned to history and we have to use a bank card everywhere so we can
be nicely tracked not only by TfL but by the banks too?

Can't update Oyster card with cash any more
 

In message , at 07:40:56 on Mon, 10 Aug
2020, remarked:
I took the tube for the first time in months yesterday and it seems you
can no longer update your oyster card with cash.

Is that a subset of the TVMs perhaps not accepting cash for *any*
transaction?

I asked one of the staff about this apparently "temporary" measure and
he said he doubts the facility will ever come back and I tend to
believe him. So thats another avenue of anonymity out the window.

Get yourself a pre-pay credit card, for example from a bureau
-de-change. That'll break the chain of traceability unless you are a
suspected terrorist on the run.

How long before Oyster cards themselves are consigned to history and we
have to use a bank card everywhere so we can be nicely tracked

Almost all Oyster cards are registered, anyway.

not only by TfL but by the banks too?

See pre-pay credit cards. Several of the "gift cards" sold in
supermarkets are in fact pre-loaded pre-pay credit cards. Although I've
not tried using one at other than the headline sponsors.

Some have a very wide range of accepting retailers, so maybe no-one
actually checks and it's just a suggestion of where the recipient might
want to spend the funds.
--
Roland Perry

Can't update Oyster card with cash any more
 

wrote:
I took the tube for the first time in months yesterday and it seems you
can no longer update your oyster card with cash. I asked one of the staff
about this apparently "temporary" measure and he said he doubts the facility
will ever come back and I tend to believe him. So thats another avenue of
anonymity out the window. How long before Oyster cards themselves are
consigned to history and we have to use a bank card everywhere so we can
be nicely tracked not only by TfL but by the banks too?



I doubt TFL pass your journey details on to the banks, only the final
charge. So your bank will know you were on the TFL network, but not where.
But if you wanted to be anonymous you wouldn’t be using a bank card anyway,
as you will be more finely geolocated by any other use of your cards. And,
of course, you will have your mobile phone switched off, because that
continuously reveals your location.

Can't update Oyster card with cash any more
 

"Tweed" wrote in message
...
wrote:
I took the tube for the first time in months yesterday and it seems you
can no longer update your oyster card with cash. I asked one of the staff
about this apparently "temporary" measure and he said he doubts the
facility
will ever come back and I tend to believe him. So thats another avenue of
anonymity out the window. How long before Oyster cards themselves are
consigned to history and we have to use a bank card everywhere so we can
be nicely tracked not only by TfL but by the banks too?



I doubt TFL pass your journey details on to the banks, only the final
charge. So your bank will know you were on the TFL network, but not where.
But if you wanted to be anonymous you wouldn’t be using a bank card
anyway,
as you will be more finely geolocated by any other use of your cards. And,
of course, you will have your mobile phone switched off, because that
continuously reveals your location.


ISTR on contactless the location of the initial charge appeared on my
statement.

You also need to wear a balaclava (I suppose a burqa would work as well) so
the face recognition cameras don't get you.

Good luck.

--
DAS

Can't update Oyster card with cash any more
 

On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 09:04:09 +0100
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 07:40:56 on Mon, 10 Aug
2020, remarked:
I took the tube for the first time in months yesterday and it seems you
can no longer update your oyster card with cash.

Is that a subset of the TVMs perhaps not accepting cash for *any*
transaction?

No idea.

I asked one of the staff about this apparently "temporary" measure and
he said he doubts the facility will ever come back and I tend to
believe him. So thats another avenue of anonymity out the window.

Get yourself a pre-pay credit card, for example from a bureau
-de-change. That'll break the chain of traceability unless you are a
suspected terrorist on the run.

I'm not fussed enough, but thats not the point. Why is the cash option being
dropped? Any covid excuses are BS since the staff never need to physically
touch it, they just empty the bucket into something Securicor (or whoever)
take away.

How long before Oyster cards themselves are consigned to history and we
have to use a bank card everywhere so we can be nicely tracked

Almost all Oyster cards are registered, anyway.

Says who?

Can't update Oyster card with cash any more
 

On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 08:24:06 -0000 (UTC)
Tweed wrote:
wrote:
I took the tube for the first time in months yesterday and it seems you
can no longer update your oyster card with cash. I asked one of the staff
about this apparently "temporary" measure and he said he doubts the facility
will ever come back and I tend to believe him. So thats another avenue of
anonymity out the window. How long before Oyster cards themselves are
consigned to history and we have to use a bank card everywhere so we can
be nicely tracked not only by TfL but by the banks too?



I doubt TFL pass your journey details on to the banks, only the final
charge. So your bank will know you were on the TFL network, but not where.

The banks have enough info about me already, they don't need any more.

But if you wanted to be anonymous you wouldn’t be using a bank card anyway,

Hence the point about cash payment.

as you will be more finely geolocated by any other use of your cards. And,
of course, you will have your mobile phone switched off, because that
continuously reveals your location.

I do generally, but mainly to save the battery.

Can't update Oyster card with cash any more
 

On 10/08/2020 08:40, wrote:
I took the tube for the first time in months yesterday and it seems you
can no longer update your oyster card with cash. I asked one of the staff
about this apparently "temporary" measure and he said he doubts the facility
will ever come back and I tend to believe him. So thats another avenue of
anonymity out the window. How long before Oyster cards themselves are
consigned to history and we have to use a bank card everywhere so we can
be nicely tracked not only by TfL but by the banks too?

TfL's website lists 69 tube stations which it says still accept cash,
plus DLR and Overground.

Oyster cards can be bought and topped up at newsagents and other shops
all over the TfL area. I doubt they all refuse cash either.


Common sense says that the OP cannot be correct because it would be
impossible for anyone without a bank account to use London's buses.

Can't update Oyster card with cash any more
 

On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 10:02:08 +0100
MikeS wrote:
On 10/08/2020 08:40, wrote:
I took the tube for the first time in months yesterday and it seems you
can no longer update your oyster card with cash. I asked one of the staff
about this apparently "temporary" measure and he said he doubts the facility
will ever come back and I tend to believe him. So thats another avenue of
anonymity out the window. How long before Oyster cards themselves are
consigned to history and we have to use a bank card everywhere so we can
be nicely tracked not only by TfL but by the banks too?

TfL's website lists 69 tube stations which it says still accept cash,
plus DLR and Overground.

Oyster cards can be bought and topped up at newsagents and other shops
all over the TfL area. I doubt they all refuse cash either.


Common sense says that the OP cannot be correct because it would be
impossible for anyone without a bank account to use London's buses.

Plenty of shops and cafes are not accepting cash or making it very difficult
to pay with it by making self serve machines card only and having to queue for
the single assistant at the till, so what makes you think TfL give a damn?

Can't update Oyster card with cash any more
 

On 10/08/2020 10:22, wrote:
On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 10:02:08 +0100
MikeS wrote:
On 10/08/2020 08:40, wrote:
I took the tube for the first time in months yesterday and it seems you
can no longer update your oyster card with cash. I asked one of the staff
about this apparently "temporary" measure and he said he doubts the facility
will ever come back and I tend to believe him. So thats another avenue of
anonymity out the window. How long before Oyster cards themselves are
consigned to history and we have to use a bank card everywhere so we can
be nicely tracked not only by TfL but by the banks too?

TfL's website lists 69 tube stations which it says still accept cash,
plus DLR and Overground.

Oyster cards can be bought and topped up at newsagents and other shops
all over the TfL area. I doubt they all refuse cash either.


Common sense says that the OP cannot be correct because it would be
impossible for anyone without a bank account to use London's buses.

Plenty of shops and cafes are not accepting cash or making it very difficult
to pay with it by making self serve machines card only and having to queue for
the single assistant at the till, so what makes you think TfL give a damn?

Because TfL are required by the politicians to give a damn, and consider
the edge cases and goat herders.

Not like the places abroad where anyone who doesn't have a local bank
card might not be able to travel (unless a symapathetic guard lets them
on, and explains that the situation happens to visitors quite frequently).


--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

Can't update Oyster card with cash any more
 

On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 18:39:31 +0100
Arthur Figgis wrote:
On 10/08/2020 10:22, wrote:
On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 10:02:08 +0100
MikeS wrote:
On 10/08/2020 08:40, wrote:
I took the tube for the first time in months yesterday and it seems you
can no longer update your oyster card with cash. I asked one of the staff
about this apparently "temporary" measure and he said he doubts the
facility
will ever come back and I tend to believe him. So thats another avenue of
anonymity out the window. How long before Oyster cards themselves are
consigned to history and we have to use a bank card everywhere so we can
be nicely tracked not only by TfL but by the banks too?

TfL's website lists 69 tube stations which it says still accept cash,
plus DLR and Overground.

Oyster cards can be bought and topped up at newsagents and other shops
all over the TfL area. I doubt they all refuse cash either.


Common sense says that the OP cannot be correct because it would be
impossible for anyone without a bank account to use London's buses.

Plenty of shops and cafes are not accepting cash or making it very difficult
to pay with it by making self serve machines card only and having to queue
for
the single assistant at the till, so what makes you think TfL give a damn?

Because TfL are required by the politicians to give a damn, and consider
the edge cases and goat herders.

It was politicians (I'm not sure whether it was Sadiq Squirt or Number 10)
that told them to stop accepting cash in imost of their stations in the first
place according to the member of staff I spoke to.

Can't update Oyster card with cash any more
 

On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 08:58:30 +0000 (UTC), wrote:

On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 09:04:09 +0100
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 07:40:56 on Mon, 10 Aug
2020, remarked:
I took the tube for the first time in months yesterday and it seems you
can no longer update your oyster card with cash.

Is that a subset of the TVMs perhaps not accepting cash for *any*
transaction?

No idea.

I asked one of the staff about this apparently "temporary" measure and
he said he doubts the facility will ever come back and I tend to
believe him. So thats another avenue of anonymity out the window.

Get yourself a pre-pay credit card, for example from a bureau
-de-change. That'll break the chain of traceability unless you are a
suspected terrorist on the run.

I'm not fussed enough, but thats not the point. Why is the cash option being
dropped? Any covid excuses are BS since the staff never need to physically
touch it, they just empty the bucket into something Securicor (or whoever)
take away.

A trader I knew said that once handling costs and pay-in charges are
taken into account, cash is more expensive to process than a debit
card.

Can't update Oyster card with cash any more
 

In message , at 07:48:39 on Tue, 11 Aug
2020, remarked:

TfL's website lists 69 tube stations which it says still accept cash,
plus DLR and Overground.

Oyster cards can be bought and topped up at newsagents and other shops
all over the TfL area. I doubt they all refuse cash either.


Common sense says that the OP cannot be correct because it would be
impossible for anyone without a bank account to use London's buses.

Plenty of shops and cafes are not accepting cash or making it very difficult
to pay with it by making self serve machines card only and having to queue
for
the single assistant at the till, so what makes you think TfL give a damn?

Because TfL are required by the politicians to give a damn, and consider
the edge cases and goat herders.

It was politicians (I'm not sure whether it was Sadiq Squirt or Number 10)
that told them to stop accepting cash in imost of their stations in the first
place according to the member of staff I spoke to.

Is that all forms of cash, or only over-the-counter cash? Specifically,
have they disabled the coinslots and note-readers on the TVMs.
--
Roland Perry

Can't update Oyster card with cash any more
 

On 11/08/2020 08:48, wrote:
On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 18:39:31 +0100
Arthur Figgis wrote:
On 10/08/2020 10:22, wrote:
On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 10:02:08 +0100
MikeS wrote:
On 10/08/2020 08:40, wrote:
I took the tube for the first time in months yesterday and it seems you
can no longer update your oyster card with cash. I asked one of the staff
about this apparently "temporary" measure and he said he doubts the
facility
will ever come back and I tend to believe him. So thats another avenue of
anonymity out the window. How long before Oyster cards themselves are
consigned to history and we have to use a bank card everywhere so we can
be nicely tracked not only by TfL but by the banks too?

TfL's website lists 69 tube stations which it says still accept cash,
plus DLR and Overground.

Oyster cards can be bought and topped up at newsagents and other shops
all over the TfL area. I doubt they all refuse cash either.


Common sense says that the OP cannot be correct because it would be
impossible for anyone without a bank account to use London's buses.

Plenty of shops and cafes are not accepting cash or making it very difficult
to pay with it by making self serve machines card only and having to queue
for
the single assistant at the till, so what makes you think TfL give a damn?

Because TfL are required by the politicians to give a damn, and consider
the edge cases and goat herders.

It was politicians (I'm not sure whether it was Sadiq Squirt or Number 10)
that told them to stop accepting cash in imost of their stations in the first
place according to the member of staff I spoke to.



Cash is a known vector in the transmission of various diseases.

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

Can't update Oyster card with cash any more
 

On Tue, 11 Aug 2020 10:09:39 +0100
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 07:48:39 on Tue, 11 Aug
2020, remarked:

TfL's website lists 69 tube stations which it says still accept cash,
plus DLR and Overground.

Oyster cards can be bought and topped up at newsagents and other shops
all over the TfL area. I doubt they all refuse cash either.


Common sense says that the OP cannot be correct because it would be
impossible for anyone without a bank account to use London's buses.

Plenty of shops and cafes are not accepting cash or making it very
difficult
to pay with it by making self serve machines card only and having to queue
for
the single assistant at the till, so what makes you think TfL give a damn?

Because TfL are required by the politicians to give a damn, and consider
the edge cases and goat herders.

It was politicians (I'm not sure whether it was Sadiq Squirt or Number 10)
that told them to stop accepting cash in imost of their stations in the first
place according to the member of staff I spoke to.

Is that all forms of cash, or only over-the-counter cash? Specifically,
have they disabled the coinslots and note-readers on the TVMs.

What counters? Certainly the coinslots on the ticket machines I saw were
closed and the "Pay other amount" option in the on screen menu had gone.

Can't update Oyster card with cash any more
 

On Tue, 11 Aug 2020 10:24:40 +0100
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 11/08/2020 08:48, wrote:
It was politicians (I'm not sure whether it was Sadiq Squirt or Number 10)
that told them to stop accepting cash in imost of their stations in the first

place according to the member of staff I spoke to.



Cash is a known vector in the transmission of various diseases.

So is anything touched by people though copper coins tend to kill most
pathogens. I dread to think what is on the keypad button of card readers.

Can't update Oyster card with cash any more
 

On 11/08/2020 10:54, wrote:
On Tue, 11 Aug 2020 10:24:40 +0100
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 11/08/2020 08:48, wrote:
It was politicians (I'm not sure whether it was Sadiq Squirt or Number 10)
that told them to stop accepting cash in imost of their stations in the first

place according to the member of staff I spoke to.



Cash is a known vector in the transmission of various diseases.

So is anything touched by people though copper coins tend to kill most
pathogens. I dread to think what is on the keypad button of card readers.


When did you last see a copper coin?

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

Can't update Oyster card with cash any more
 

On Tue, 11 Aug 2020 11:52:08 +0100
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 11/08/2020 10:54, wrote:
On Tue, 11 Aug 2020 10:24:40 +0100
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 11/08/2020 08:48, wrote:
It was politicians (I'm not sure whether it was Sadiq Squirt or Number 10)
that told them to stop accepting cash in imost of their stations in the
first

place according to the member of staff I spoke to.



Cash is a known vector in the transmission of various diseases.

So is anything touched by people though copper coins tend to kill most
pathogens. I dread to think what is on the keypad button of card readers.


When did you last see a copper coin?

Last time I handled a 2p piece which was only recently. And before you turn
your pedant mode to up 11 I know its copper plated but the germs don't know
that.

Can't update Oyster card with cash any more
 

On 11/08/2020 12:43, wrote:
On Tue, 11 Aug 2020 11:52:08 +0100
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 11/08/2020 10:54, wrote:
On Tue, 11 Aug 2020 10:24:40 +0100
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 11/08/2020 08:48, wrote:
It was politicians (I'm not sure whether it was Sadiq Squirt or Number 10)
that told them to stop accepting cash in imost of their stations in the
first

place according to the member of staff I spoke to.



Cash is a known vector in the transmission of various diseases.

So is anything touched by people though copper coins tend to kill most
pathogens. I dread to think what is on the keypad button of card readers.


When did you last see a copper coin?

Last time I handled a 2p piece which was only recently. And before you turn
your pedant mode to up 11 I know its copper plated but the germs don't know
that.


How many TfL ticket machines still accept 2p pieces?

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

Can't update Oyster card with cash any more
 

On Tue, 11 Aug 2020 10:24:40 +0100, Graeme Wall
wrote:

On 11/08/2020 08:48, wrote:
On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 18:39:31 +0100
Arthur Figgis wrote:
On 10/08/2020 10:22, wrote:
On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 10:02:08 +0100
MikeS wrote:
On 10/08/2020 08:40, wrote:
I took the tube for the first time in months yesterday and it seems you
can no longer update your oyster card with cash. I asked one of the staff
about this apparently "temporary" measure and he said he doubts the
facility
will ever come back and I tend to believe him. So thats another avenue of
anonymity out the window. How long before Oyster cards themselves are
consigned to history and we have to use a bank card everywhere so we can
be nicely tracked not only by TfL but by the banks too?

TfL's website lists 69 tube stations which it says still accept cash,
plus DLR and Overground.

Oyster cards can be bought and topped up at newsagents and other shops
all over the TfL area. I doubt they all refuse cash either.


Common sense says that the OP cannot be correct because it would be
impossible for anyone without a bank account to use London's buses.

Plenty of shops and cafes are not accepting cash or making it very difficult
to pay with it by making self serve machines card only and having to queue
for
the single assistant at the till, so what makes you think TfL give a damn?

Because TfL are required by the politicians to give a damn, and consider
the edge cases and goat herders.

It was politicians (I'm not sure whether it was Sadiq Squirt or Number 10)
that told them to stop accepting cash in imost of their stations in the first
place according to the member of staff I spoke to.

Cash is a known vector in the transmission of various diseases.

At least notes can be washed nowadays through the process known as
money-laundering. Would 60 degrees be sufficient :-)

Can't update Oyster card with cash any more
 

In message , at 10:03:44 on
Tue, 11 Aug 2020, Scott remarked:
On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 08:58:30 +0000 (UTC), wrote:

On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 09:04:09 +0100
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 07:40:56 on Mon, 10 Aug
2020, remarked:
I took the tube for the first time in months yesterday and it seems you
can no longer update your oyster card with cash.

Is that a subset of the TVMs perhaps not accepting cash for *any*
transaction?

No idea.

I asked one of the staff about this apparently "temporary" measure and
he said he doubts the facility will ever come back and I tend to
believe him. So thats another avenue of anonymity out the window.

Get yourself a pre-pay credit card, for example from a bureau
-de-change. That'll break the chain of traceability unless you are a
suspected terrorist on the run.

I'm not fussed enough, but thats not the point. Why is the cash option being
dropped? Any covid excuses are BS since the staff never need to physically
touch it, they just empty the bucket into something Securicor (or whoever)
take away.

A trader I knew said that once handling costs and pay-in charges are
taken into account, cash is more expensive to process than a debit
card.

It depends a lot on what sector the business is in. For example,
traditionally the card companies gave petrol stations very low
commission rates, because it accustomed the public to using cards.

If you are in the pub trade and need to pay your wholesale grocer in
cash when they deliver every morning (because your trade-credit rating
is pants), it might well make sense not to discourage cash.
--
Roland Perry

Can't update Oyster card with cash any more
 

On 11/08/2020 13:46, Scott wrote:
On Tue, 11 Aug 2020 10:24:40 +0100, Graeme Wall
wrote:

On 11/08/2020 08:48, wrote:
On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 18:39:31 +0100
Arthur Figgis wrote:
On 10/08/2020 10:22, wrote:
On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 10:02:08 +0100
MikeS wrote:
On 10/08/2020 08:40, wrote:
I took the tube for the first time in months yesterday and it seems you
can no longer update your oyster card with cash. I asked one of the staff
about this apparently "temporary" measure and he said he doubts the
facility
will ever come back and I tend to believe him. So thats another avenue of
anonymity out the window. How long before Oyster cards themselves are
consigned to history and we have to use a bank card everywhere so we can
be nicely tracked not only by TfL but by the banks too?

TfL's website lists 69 tube stations which it says still accept cash,
plus DLR and Overground.

Oyster cards can be bought and topped up at newsagents and other shops
all over the TfL area. I doubt they all refuse cash either.


Common sense says that the OP cannot be correct because it would be
impossible for anyone without a bank account to use London's buses.

Plenty of shops and cafes are not accepting cash or making it very difficult
to pay with it by making self serve machines card only and having to queue
for
the single assistant at the till, so what makes you think TfL give a damn?

Because TfL are required by the politicians to give a damn, and consider
the edge cases and goat herders.

It was politicians (I'm not sure whether it was Sadiq Squirt or Number 10)
that told them to stop accepting cash in imost of their stations in the first
place according to the member of staff I spoke to.

Cash is a known vector in the transmission of various diseases.

At least notes can be washed nowadays through the process known as
money-laundering. Would 60 degrees be sufficient :-)


No idea, the instructions are in Russian.

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

Can't update Oyster card with cash any more
 

In message , at 11:52:08 on Tue, 11 Aug
2020, Graeme Wall remarked:

When did you last see a copper coin?

Does copper-plated count?

[As it happens, I have a piggy bank full of solid copper coins, so the
literal answer is "today"]
--
Roland Perry

Can't update Oyster card with cash any more
 

On 11/08/2020 13:46, Scott wrote:
On Tue, 11 Aug 2020 10:24:40 +0100, Graeme Wall
wrote:

On 11/08/2020 08:48, wrote:
On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 18:39:31 +0100
Arthur Figgis wrote:
On 10/08/2020 10:22, wrote:
On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 10:02:08 +0100
MikeS wrote:
On 10/08/2020 08:40, wrote:
I took the tube for the first time in months yesterday and it seems you
can no longer update your oyster card with cash. I asked one of the staff
about this apparently "temporary" measure and he said he doubts the
facility
will ever come back and I tend to believe him. So thats another avenue of
anonymity out the window. How long before Oyster cards themselves are
consigned to history and we have to use a bank card everywhere so we can
be nicely tracked not only by TfL but by the banks too?

TfL's website lists 69 tube stations which it says still accept cash,
plus DLR and Overground.

Oyster cards can be bought and topped up at newsagents and other shops
all over the TfL area. I doubt they all refuse cash either.


Common sense says that the OP cannot be correct because it would be
impossible for anyone without a bank account to use London's buses.

Plenty of shops and cafes are not accepting cash or making it very difficult
to pay with it by making self serve machines card only and having to queue
for
the single assistant at the till, so what makes you think TfL give a damn?

Because TfL are required by the politicians to give a damn, and consider
the edge cases and goat herders.

It was politicians (I'm not sure whether it was Sadiq Squirt or Number 10)
that told them to stop accepting cash in imost of their stations in the first
place according to the member of staff I spoke to.

Cash is a known vector in the transmission of various diseases.

At least notes can be washed nowadays through the process known as
money-laundering. Would 60 degrees be sufficient :-)

We could start a whole thread on "which degree to do".

Can't update Oyster card with cash any more
 

On Tue, 11 Aug 2020 13:11:57 +0100
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 11/08/2020 12:43, wrote:
When did you last see a copper coin?

Last time I handled a 2p piece which was only recently. And before you turn
your pedant mode to up 11 I know its copper plated but the germs don't know
that.


How many TfL ticket machines still accept 2p pieces?

From straw man to non sequitor. I can't wait to see what technique you're
going to employ next.

Can't update Oyster card with cash any more
 

In message , at 15:10:58 on Tue, 11 Aug
2020, remarked:

When did you last see a copper coin?

Last time I handled a 2p piece which was only recently. And before you turn
your pedant mode to up 11 I know its copper plated but the germs don't know
that.

How many TfL ticket machines still accept 2p pieces?

From straw man to non sequitor. I can't wait to see what technique you're
going to employ next.

How about:
___________________________
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/ \ the trolls |
/ \ \ |
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/ |\____\ \ ||
/ | | | |\____/ ||
/ \|_|_|/ | __||
/ / \ |____| ||
/ | | /| | --|
| | |// |____ --|
* _ | |_|_|_| | \-/
*-- _--\ _ \ // |
/ _ \\ _ // | /
* / \_ /- | - | |
* ___ c_c_c_C/ \C_c_c_c____________

--
Roland Perry

Can't update Oyster card with cash any more
 

On Tue, 11 Aug 2020 15:10:58 +0000 (UTC), wrote:

On Tue, 11 Aug 2020 13:11:57 +0100
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 11/08/2020 12:43, wrote:
When did you last see a copper coin?

Last time I handled a 2p piece which was only recently. And before you turn
your pedant mode to up 11 I know its copper plated but the germs don't know
that.


How many TfL ticket machines still accept 2p pieces?

From straw man to non sequitor. I can't wait to see what technique you're
going to employ next.

Non sequitur surely, if you want to be pedantic.

Can't update Oyster card with cash any more
 

On 11/08/2020 16:10, wrote:
On Tue, 11 Aug 2020 13:11:57 +0100
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 11/08/2020 12:43, wrote:
When did you last see a copper coin?

Last time I handled a 2p piece which was only recently. And before you turn
your pedant mode to up 11 I know its copper plated but the germs don't know
that.


How many TfL ticket machines still accept 2p pieces?

From straw man to non sequitor. I can't wait to see what technique you're
going to employ next.


Oh dear, we are back to our junior school days are we?

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

Can't update Oyster card with cash any more
 

Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 10:03:44 on
Tue, 11 Aug 2020, Scott remarked:
On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 08:58:30 +0000 (UTC), wrote:

On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 09:04:09 +0100
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 07:40:56 on Mon, 10 Aug
2020, remarked:
I took the tube for the first time in months yesterday and it seems you
can no longer update your oyster card with cash.

Is that a subset of the TVMs perhaps not accepting cash for *any*
transaction?

No idea.

I asked one of the staff about this apparently "temporary" measure and
he said he doubts the facility will ever come back and I tend to
believe him. So thats another avenue of anonymity out the window.

Get yourself a pre-pay credit card, for example from a bureau
-de-change. That'll break the chain of traceability unless you are a
suspected terrorist on the run.

I'm not fussed enough, but thats not the point. Why is the cash option being
dropped? Any covid excuses are BS since the staff never need to physically
touch it, they just empty the bucket into something Securicor (or whoever)
take away.

A trader I knew said that once handling costs and pay-in charges are
taken into account, cash is more expensive to process than a debit
card.

It depends a lot on what sector the business is in. For example,
traditionally the card companies gave petrol stations very low
commission rates, because it accustomed the public to using cards.

If you are in the pub trade and need to pay your wholesale grocer in
cash when they deliver every morning (because your trade-credit rating
is pants), it might well make sense not to discourage cash.


One pub I used to frequent a decade ago, used to put the notes they took
into the cash machine in the pub to save having to pay it in to the bank
(the "pub staff do not have access to this machine" sign was a total lie).
I wonder how many of the notes just circulated from one side of the room to
the other and back for months on end...!


Anna Noyd-Dryver

Can't update Oyster card with cash any more
 

On 11/08/2020 20:41, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 10:03:44 on
Tue, 11 Aug 2020, Scott remarked:
On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 08:58:30 +0000 (UTC), wrote:

On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 09:04:09 +0100
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 07:40:56 on Mon, 10 Aug
2020, remarked:
I took the tube for the first time in months yesterday and it seems you
can no longer update your oyster card with cash.

Is that a subset of the TVMs perhaps not accepting cash for *any*
transaction?

No idea.

I asked one of the staff about this apparently "temporary" measure and
he said he doubts the facility will ever come back and I tend to
believe him. So thats another avenue of anonymity out the window.

Get yourself a pre-pay credit card, for example from a bureau
-de-change. That'll break the chain of traceability unless you are a
suspected terrorist on the run.

I'm not fussed enough, but thats not the point. Why is the cash option being
dropped? Any covid excuses are BS since the staff never need to physically
touch it, they just empty the bucket into something Securicor (or whoever)
take away.

A trader I knew said that once handling costs and pay-in charges are
taken into account, cash is more expensive to process than a debit
card.

It depends a lot on what sector the business is in. For example,
traditionally the card companies gave petrol stations very low
commission rates, because it accustomed the public to using cards.

If you are in the pub trade and need to pay your wholesale grocer in
cash when they deliver every morning (because your trade-credit rating
is pants), it might well make sense not to discourage cash.


One pub I used to frequent a decade ago, used to put the notes they took
into the cash machine in the pub to save having to pay it in to the bank
(the "pub staff do not have access to this machine" sign was a total lie).
I wonder how many of the notes just circulated from one side of the room to
the other and back for months on end...!


That, plus their share of he commission, was the reason that the
machines were so popular in pubs for a while. Also places like petrol
stations and various other small businesses.


--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

Can't update Oyster card with cash any more
 

Graeme Wall wrote:
On 11/08/2020 20:41, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 10:03:44 on
Tue, 11 Aug 2020, Scott remarked:
On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 08:58:30 +0000 (UTC), wrote:

On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 09:04:09 +0100
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 07:40:56 on Mon, 10 Aug
2020, remarked:
I took the tube for the first time in months yesterday and it seems you
can no longer update your oyster card with cash.

Is that a subset of the TVMs perhaps not accepting cash for *any*
transaction?

No idea.

I asked one of the staff about this apparently "temporary" measure and
he said he doubts the facility will ever come back and I tend to
believe him. So thats another avenue of anonymity out the window.

Get yourself a pre-pay credit card, for example from a bureau
-de-change. That'll break the chain of traceability unless you are a
suspected terrorist on the run.

I'm not fussed enough, but thats not the point. Why is the cash option being
dropped? Any covid excuses are BS since the staff never need to physically
touch it, they just empty the bucket into something Securicor (or whoever)
take away.

A trader I knew said that once handling costs and pay-in charges are
taken into account, cash is more expensive to process than a debit
card.

It depends a lot on what sector the business is in. For example,
traditionally the card companies gave petrol stations very low
commission rates, because it accustomed the public to using cards.

If you are in the pub trade and need to pay your wholesale grocer in
cash when they deliver every morning (because your trade-credit rating
is pants), it might well make sense not to discourage cash.


One pub I used to frequent a decade ago, used to put the notes they took
into the cash machine in the pub to save having to pay it in to the bank
(the "pub staff do not have access to this machine" sign was a total lie).
I wonder how many of the notes just circulated from one side of the room to
the other and back for months on end...!


That, plus their share of he commission, was the reason that the
machines were so popular in pubs for a while. Also places like petrol
stations and various other small businesses.



"No we don't take cards, but there's a cash machine just there".

A couple of years ago I used one in a shop in the IoW which made the
classic dial-up-modem sound while it was saying "authorising" on the
screen!!


Anna Noyd-Dryver

Can't update Oyster card with cash any more
 

In message , at 07:23:19 on Wed, 12 Aug
2020, Anna Noyd-Dryver remarked:

One pub I used to frequent a decade ago,

"No we don't take cards, but there's a cash machine just there".

There's a pub in Ely which doesn't take cards, but tells people that the
inconvenience store across the street has a (probably rather dodgy third
party) ATM inside.
--
Roland Perry

Can't update Oyster card with cash any more
 

On Tue, 11 Aug 2020 17:38:37 +0100
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 11/08/2020 16:10, wrote:
On Tue, 11 Aug 2020 13:11:57 +0100
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 11/08/2020 12:43, wrote:
When did you last see a copper coin?

Last time I handled a 2p piece which was only recently. And before you turn

your pedant mode to up 11 I know its copper plated but the germs don't know

that.


How many TfL ticket machines still accept 2p pieces?

From straw man to non sequitor. I can't wait to see what technique you're
going to employ next.


Oh dear, we are back to our junior school days are we?

It really wouldn't surprise me that while the other kids were playing ball
in the playground you were debating with your teacher about how you couldn't
pay for your lunch that day because the dog that ate your homework also ate
all your copper coins.

Can't update Oyster card with cash any more
 

On Tue, 11 Aug 2020 19:41:34 -0000 (UTC), Anna Noyd-Dryver
wrote:

Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 10:03:44 on
Tue, 11 Aug 2020, Scott remarked:
On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 08:58:30 +0000 (UTC), wrote:

On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 09:04:09 +0100
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 07:40:56 on Mon, 10 Aug
2020, remarked:
I took the tube for the first time in months yesterday and it seems you
can no longer update your oyster card with cash.

Is that a subset of the TVMs perhaps not accepting cash for *any*
transaction?

No idea.

I asked one of the staff about this apparently "temporary" measure and
he said he doubts the facility will ever come back and I tend to
believe him. So thats another avenue of anonymity out the window.

Get yourself a pre-pay credit card, for example from a bureau
-de-change. That'll break the chain of traceability unless you are a
suspected terrorist on the run.

I'm not fussed enough, but thats not the point. Why is the cash option being
dropped? Any covid excuses are BS since the staff never need to physically
touch it, they just empty the bucket into something Securicor (or whoever)
take away.

A trader I knew said that once handling costs and pay-in charges are
taken into account, cash is more expensive to process than a debit
card.

It depends a lot on what sector the business is in. For example,
traditionally the card companies gave petrol stations very low
commission rates, because it accustomed the public to using cards.

If you are in the pub trade and need to pay your wholesale grocer in
cash when they deliver every morning (because your trade-credit rating
is pants), it might well make sense not to discourage cash.


One pub I used to frequent a decade ago, used to put the notes they took
into the cash machine in the pub to save having to pay it in to the bank
(the "pub staff do not have access to this machine" sign was a total lie).
I wonder how many of the notes just circulated from one side of the room to
the other and back for months on end...!

I'm not following that. In any audit or count, would these surplus
notes not become the property of the operator of the machine? .

Can't update Oyster card with cash any more
 

On 12/08/2020 09:42, wrote:
On Tue, 11 Aug 2020 17:38:37 +0100
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 11/08/2020 16:10, wrote:
On Tue, 11 Aug 2020 13:11:57 +0100
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 11/08/2020 12:43, wrote:
When did you last see a copper coin?

Last time I handled a 2p piece which was only recently. And before you turn

your pedant mode to up 11 I know its copper plated but the germs don't know

that.


How many TfL ticket machines still accept 2p pieces?

From straw man to non sequitor. I can't wait to see what technique you're
going to employ next.


Oh dear, we are back to our junior school days are we?

It really wouldn't surprise me that while the other kids were playing ball
in the playground you were debating with your teacher about how you couldn't
pay for your lunch that day because the dog that ate your homework also ate
all your copper coins.


Give it up Neil, you are just making yourself look even more foolish
than usual.

NB for the record I never had a dog so had to eat my own homework.

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

Can't update Oyster card with cash any more
 

On Tue, 11 Aug 2020 13:46:25 +0100, Scott
wrote:

On Tue, 11 Aug 2020 10:24:40 +0100, Graeme Wall
wrote:

On 11/08/2020 08:48, wrote:
On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 18:39:31 +0100
Arthur Figgis wrote:
On 10/08/2020 10:22, wrote:
On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 10:02:08 +0100
MikeS wrote:
On 10/08/2020 08:40, wrote:
I took the tube for the first time in months yesterday and it seems you
can no longer update your oyster card with cash. I asked one of the staff
about this apparently "temporary" measure and he said he doubts the
facility
will ever come back and I tend to believe him. So thats another avenue of
anonymity out the window. How long before Oyster cards themselves are
consigned to history and we have to use a bank card everywhere so we can
be nicely tracked not only by TfL but by the banks too?

TfL's website lists 69 tube stations which it says still accept cash,
plus DLR and Overground.

Oyster cards can be bought and topped up at newsagents and other shops
all over the TfL area. I doubt they all refuse cash either.


Common sense says that the OP cannot be correct because it would be
impossible for anyone without a bank account to use London's buses.

Plenty of shops and cafes are not accepting cash or making it very difficult
to pay with it by making self serve machines card only and having to queue
for
the single assistant at the till, so what makes you think TfL give a damn?

Because TfL are required by the politicians to give a damn, and consider
the edge cases and goat herders.

It was politicians (I'm not sure whether it was Sadiq Squirt or Number 10)
that told them to stop accepting cash in imost of their stations in the first
place according to the member of staff I spoke to.

Cash is a known vector in the transmission of various diseases.

At least notes can be washed nowadays through the process known as
money-laundering. Would 60 degrees be sufficient :-)

Doesn't that shrink the plastic notes ?

Can't update Oyster card with cash any more
 

On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 20:52:23 +0100, Charles Ellson
wrote:

On Tue, 11 Aug 2020 13:46:25 +0100, Scott
wrote:

On Tue, 11 Aug 2020 10:24:40 +0100, Graeme Wall
wrote:

On 11/08/2020 08:48, wrote:
On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 18:39:31 +0100
Arthur Figgis wrote:
On 10/08/2020 10:22, wrote:
On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 10:02:08 +0100
MikeS wrote:
On 10/08/2020 08:40, wrote:
I took the tube for the first time in months yesterday and it seems you
can no longer update your oyster card with cash. I asked one of the staff
about this apparently "temporary" measure and he said he doubts the
facility
will ever come back and I tend to believe him. So thats another avenue of
anonymity out the window. How long before Oyster cards themselves are
consigned to history and we have to use a bank card everywhere so we can
be nicely tracked not only by TfL but by the banks too?

TfL's website lists 69 tube stations which it says still accept cash,
plus DLR and Overground.

Oyster cards can be bought and topped up at newsagents and other shops
all over the TfL area. I doubt they all refuse cash either.


Common sense says that the OP cannot be correct because it would be
impossible for anyone without a bank account to use London's buses.

Plenty of shops and cafes are not accepting cash or making it very difficult
to pay with it by making self serve machines card only and having to queue
for
the single assistant at the till, so what makes you think TfL give a damn?

Because TfL are required by the politicians to give a damn, and consider
the edge cases and goat herders.

It was politicians (I'm not sure whether it was Sadiq Squirt or Number 10)
that told them to stop accepting cash in imost of their stations in the first
place according to the member of staff I spoke to.

Cash is a known vector in the transmission of various diseases.

At least notes can be washed nowadays through the process known as
money-laundering. Would 60 degrees be sufficient :-)

Doesn't that shrink the plastic notes ?

The policies of successive Chancellors have achieved that already.

Can't update Oyster card with cash any more
 

On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 17:35:51 +0100
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 12/08/2020 09:42, wrote:
It really wouldn't surprise me that while the other kids were playing ball
in the playground you were debating with your teacher about how you couldn't
pay for your lunch that day because the dog that ate your homework also ate
all your copper coins.


Give it up Neil, you are just making yourself look even more foolish
than usual.

Can't think of a decent comeback then Greem?

NB for the record I never had a dog so had to eat my own homework.

Thin pickings probably.