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Crossrail 2 Cancelled
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...n-funding-deal
well not really cancelled, as it has never actually been confirmed, more mothballed But I can't see it being resurrected any time soon, not if commuter numbers are permanently on a downwards projectory. Also "TfL will also have to further investigate driverless trains" surely they do that as a matter of course anyway? It has to be a long term aim, but it's a 25 year solution to TFL's funding not one that can be implemented on a 1 year one timeframe |
Crossrail 2 Cancelled
tim... wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...n-funding-deal well not really cancelled, as it has never actually been confirmed, more mothballed But I can't see it being resurrected any time soon, not if commuter numbers are permanently on a downwards projectory. Also "TfL will also have to further investigate driverless trains" surely they do that as a matter of course anyway? It has to be a long term aim, but it's a 25 year solution to TFL's funding not one that can be implemented on a 1 year one timeframe Yes, Crossrail 2 was off the agenda for quite a while, anyway. Not mentioned in that story is that the mayor may also have to raise more money for TfL through a precept on council taxes. This would be for the Freedom Pass to continue. |
Crossrail 2 Cancelled
tim... wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...n-funding-deal well not really cancelled, as it has never actually been confirmed, more mothballed But I can't see it being resurrected any time soon, not if commuter numbers are permanently on a downwards projectory. Also "TfL will also have to further investigate driverless trains" surely they do that as a matter of course anyway? Is investigate really government speak for “you must implement”? If TFL investigate and the investigation finds them not ideal will the government accept that or say that isn’t the answer we wanted to hear, go away and introduce them anyway. GH |
Crossrail 2 Cancelled
On 03/11/2020 11:38, Marland wrote:
tim... wrote: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...n-funding-deal well not really cancelled, as it has never actually been confirmed, more mothballed But I can't see it being resurrected any time soon, not if commuter numbers are permanently on a downwards projectory. Also "TfL will also have to further investigate driverless trains" surely they do that as a matter of course anyway? Is investigate really government speak for “you must implement”? If TFL investigate and the investigation finds them not ideal will the government accept that or say that isn’t the answer we wanted to hear, go away and introduce them anyway. It shoves a decision down the line (sorry). -- Graeme Wall This account not read. |
Crossrail 2 Cancelled
On 3 Nov 2020 11:38:41 GMT, Marland wrote:
tim... wrote: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...n-funding-deal well not really cancelled, as it has never actually been confirmed, more mothballed But I can't see it being resurrected any time soon, not if commuter numbers are permanently on a downwards projectory. Also "TfL will also have to further investigate driverless trains" surely they do that as a matter of course anyway? Is investigate really government speak for you must implement? If TFL investigate and the investigation finds them not ideal will the government accept that or say that isnt the answer we wanted to hear, go away and introduce them anyway. It's a way of placating Boris. He can claim a victory in this negotiation, and the investigation will probably report after he's completed his short political sabbatical and returned to his full-time job as a comedy writer and comedian. |
Crossrail 2 Cancelled
On Tue, 3 Nov 2020 07:48:27 -0000, "tim..." wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...n-funding-deal well not really cancelled, as it has never actually been confirmed, more mothballed But I can't see it being resurrected any time soon, not if commuter numbers are permanently on a downwards projectory. Also "TfL will also have to further investigate driverless trains" surely they do that as a matter of course anyway? It has to be a long term aim, but it's a 25 year solution to TFL's funding not one that can be implemented on a 1 year one timeframe I see another London economy measure has been crystallised: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-54783565 At last, the Dangleway might get some customers! |
Crossrail 2 Cancelled
Recliner wrote:
I see another London economy measure has been crystallised: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-54783565 At last, the Dangleway might get some customers! Doesn't the sponsorship deal come to an end soon? If in need of something to cut, I would have expected that to be a prime candidate. Of course, scrapping it wouldn't be popular with the PM... (I wouldn't be surprised if it gets cut when they can't find a new sponsor. Or sold off to be a tourist trap) Theo |
Crossrail 2 Cancelled
On 03 Nov 2020 12:49:16 +0000 (GMT), Theo wrote:
Recliner wrote: I see another London economy measure has been crystallised: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-54783565 At last, the Dangleway might get some customers! Doesn't the sponsorship deal come to an end soon? If in need of something to cut, I would have expected that to be a prime candidate. Of course, scrapping it wouldn't be popular with the PM... (I wouldn't be surprised if it gets cut when they can't find a new sponsor. Or sold off to be a tourist trap) Yes, the latter would be the right thing to do. It's a sightseeing trip, much the same as walking over the roof of the O2, or doing a circuit on the London Eye. It's not public transport, and shouldn't be subsidised or promoted by TfL, any more than the open top sightseeing buses are. |
As Crossrail 2 has been hijacked by crayonists in Hertfordshire,
Hampshire and Surrey and turned into Thameslink 2, a project to benefit commuters living outside London, I don't mind if finalising the details is delayed for several years. If and when the concept is revived, I hope whoever is Mayor of London will argue that if London is to contribute a major part of the funding, the primary purpose of the scheme must be to tackle London's public transport problems and that these should not be subordinated to the needs of peak time commuters from outside London. |
Crossrail 2 Cancelled
On Tue, 03 Nov 2020 12:32:35 +0000
Recliner wrote: On Tue, 3 Nov 2020 07:48:27 -0000, "tim..." wrote: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...s-shelved-tran sport-for-london-funding-deal well not really cancelled, as it has never actually been confirmed, more mothballed But I can't see it being resurrected any time soon, not if commuter numbers are permanently on a downwards projectory. Also "TfL will also have to further investigate driverless trains" surely they do that as a matter of course anyway? It has to be a long term aim, but it's a 25 year solution to TFL's funding not one that can be implemented on a 1 year one timeframe I see another London economy measure has been crystallised: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-54783565 I bet that'll be popular with the staff for the next 5 years until xrail opens. Not. Fine if you live near that area, a PITA to get to if you live anywhere else. |
Crossrail 2 Cancelled
On Tue, 3 Nov 2020 15:44:25 +0000
Graeme Wall wrote: On 03/11/2020 14:54, wrote: On Tue, 03 Nov 2020 12:32:35 +0000 Recliner wrote: On Tue, 3 Nov 2020 07:48:27 -0000, "tim..." wrote: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...s-shelved-tran sport-for-london-funding-deal well not really cancelled, as it has never actually been confirmed, more mothballed But I can't see it being resurrected any time soon, not if commuter numbers are permanently on a downwards projectory. Also "TfL will also have to further investigate driverless trains" surely they do that as a matter of course anyway? It has to be a long term aim, but it's a 25 year solution to TFL's funding not one that can be implemented on a 1 year one timeframe I see another London economy measure has been crystallised: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-54783565 I bet that'll be popular with the staff for the next 5 years until xrail opens. Not. Fine if you live near that area, a PITA to get to if you live anywhere else. Take the river bus. Wrong side of the river plus it costs a fortune though I suppose they'd have staff discounts. |
Crossrail 2 Cancelled
On 03/11/2020 16:50, wrote:
On Tue, 3 Nov 2020 15:44:25 +0000 Graeme Wall wrote: On 03/11/2020 14:54, wrote: On Tue, 03 Nov 2020 12:32:35 +0000 Recliner wrote: On Tue, 3 Nov 2020 07:48:27 -0000, "tim..." wrote: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...s-shelved-tran sport-for-london-funding-deal well not really cancelled, as it has never actually been confirmed, more mothballed But I can't see it being resurrected any time soon, not if commuter numbers are permanently on a downwards projectory. Also "TfL will also have to further investigate driverless trains" surely they do that as a matter of course anyway? It has to be a long term aim, but it's a 25 year solution to TFL's funding not one that can be implemented on a 1 year one timeframe I see another London economy measure has been crystallised: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-54783565 I bet that'll be popular with the staff for the next 5 years until xrail opens. Not. Fine if you live near that area, a PITA to get to if you live anywhere else. Take the river bus. Wrong side of the river plus it costs a fortune though I suppose they'd have staff discounts. Easy enough to add a stop right side of the river. -- Graeme Wall This account not read. |
Crossrail 2 Cancelled
"Recliner" wrote in message ... tim... wrote: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...n-funding-deal well not really cancelled, as it has never actually been confirmed, more mothballed But I can't see it being resurrected any time soon, not if commuter numbers are permanently on a downwards projectory. Also "TfL will also have to further investigate driverless trains" surely they do that as a matter of course anyway? It has to be a long term aim, but it's a 25 year solution to TFL's funding not one that can be implemented on a 1 year one timeframe Yes, Crossrail 2 was off the agenda for quite a while, anyway. Not mentioned in that story is that the mayor may also have to raise more money for TfL through a precept on council taxes. This would be for the Freedom Pass to continue. Horary, my neighbours are going to have to pay more for me to travel free TBH, I could live with it becoming bus (and tram) only. I only use the train/tube at the margins of my travel. I suspect that this applies to the vast majority of "necessary "users of the pass. Only the percentage who still work and use it for travel to work would really notice this change. (I guess you might be able to find a journey out in the sticks where there's a point to point rail journey to nearest shopping centre, that doesn't have a parallel bus) tim |
Crossrail 2 Cancelled
On 03/11/2020 15:44, Graeme Wall wrote:
On 03/11/2020 14:54, wrote: On Tue, 03 Nov 2020 12:32:35 +0000 Recliner wrote: On Tue, 3 Nov 2020 07:48:27 -0000, "tim..." wrote: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...s-shelved-tran sport-for-london-funding-deal well not really cancelled, as it has never actually been confirmed, more mothballed But I can't see it being resurrected any time soon, not if commuter numbers are permanently on a downwards projectory. Also "TfL will also have to further investigate driverless trains" surely they do that as a matter of course anyway? It has to be a long term aim, but it's a 25 year solution to TFL's funding not one that can be implemented on a 1 year one timeframe I see another London economy measure has been crystallised: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-54783565 I bet that'll be popular with the staff for the next 5 years until xrail opens. Not. Fine if you live near that area, a PITA to get to if you live anywhere else. Take the river bus. It's pretty near Royal Victoria DLR. Crossrail won't really help much. -- Basil Jet recently enjoyed listening to The Human League - 1981 - Dare |
Crossrail 2 Cancelled
Basil Jet wrote:
On 03/11/2020 15:44, Graeme Wall wrote: On 03/11/2020 14:54, wrote: On Tue, 03 Nov 2020 12:32:35 +0000 Recliner wrote: On Tue, 3 Nov 2020 07:48:27 -0000, "tim..." wrote: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...s-shelved-tran sport-for-london-funding-deal well not really cancelled, as it has never actually been confirmed, more mothballed But I can't see it being resurrected any time soon, not if commuter numbers are permanently on a downwards projectory. Also "TfL will also have to further investigate driverless trains" surely they do that as a matter of course anyway? It has to be a long term aim, but it's a 25 year solution to TFL's funding not one that can be implemented on a 1 year one timeframe I see another London economy measure has been crystallised: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-54783565 I bet that'll be popular with the staff for the next 5 years until xrail opens. Not. Fine if you live near that area, a PITA to get to if you live anywhere else. Take the river bus. It's pretty near Royal Victoria DLR. Crossrail won't really help much. Yes, they'll need to get to Custom House for Crossrail. |
Crossrail 2 Cancelled
On Tue, 3 Nov 2020 21:36:32 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote: Basil Jet wrote: It's pretty near Royal Victoria DLR. Crossrail won't really help much. Yes, they'll need to get to Custom House for Crossrail. Would still be quicker than taking the DLR to central London. |
Crossrail 2 Cancelled
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Crossrail 2 Cancelled
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wrote: On Tue, 3 Nov 2020 21:36:32 -0000 (UTC) Recliner wrote: Basil Jet wrote: It's pretty near Royal Victoria DLR. Crossrail won't really help much. Yes, they'll need to get to Custom House for Crossrail. Would still be quicker than taking the DLR to central London. The Crystal is almost equidistant from Canning Town and Custom House, so the Jubilee is a good option today. It's about a ten minute walk, I'd've thought. -- Mike Bristow |
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