On 5 Jan 2021 09:46:34 GMT
Marland wrote:
Recliner wrote:
The official version is up:
https://content.tfl.gov.uk/standard-tube-map.pdf



Is the Northern line Battersea extension still due to open later this year?

Have the contractors been packed off home to save them from the geriatrics
virus or are they still working?

Marland wrote:
Recliner wrote:
Basil Jet wrote:
On 16/12/2020 10:41, Recliner wrote:
Geoff celebrates the belated return of Thameslink to TfL's Tube Map, after
a long absence. And it's not just the core section, but as much as fits in
the extended zones. So the map now features over 500 stations:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZ5SQcdC48o

The map itself is not on the TfL site yet, but curiously is available at
https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/202...test-tube-map/

They've left Hadley Wood off, despite it being in Zone 6.

The kink in the Thameslink Line between City TL and the junction north
of St Pancras seems inexplicable.

The Bakerloo Line shouldn't enter Elephant at the same angle that the
Denmark Hill branch leaves.

Maidenhead and Reading are still portrayed north of the Thames!


The official version is up:
https://content.tfl.gov.uk/standard-tube-map.pdf



Is the Northern line Battersea extension still due to open later this year?
If so then this edition of the map will have a short lifetime, in fact I’m
surprised the extension isn’t on there in some way even if it was shown as
a dotted or dashed line with an “opening soon� addendum.
Previous maps in the past have done so , it maybe TFL doesn’t want to
repeat the example of the never completed Northern Heights extensions which
appeared on maps and route diagrams before the scheme was abandoned. I
don’t think that will happen to the Battersea one especially as trains
under their own power have been doing testing runs in the past few weeks
but could opening be put back due to the C word.


Yes, I believe it's still due to open this year and, as you say, test
trains started running last month. The stations appear near-complete at
platform level. TfL just says, "The extension is scheduled to be completed
in autumn 2021". Note the careful use of the word 'completed' as opposed to
'open'.

I don't know if there's any dependency on the surface development projects
for the stations to open? For example, the Battersea Power Station Station
is incorporated in one of the new surface blocks, which may need to be
finished before the LU station can open. So, even if the LU work is all
complete, there could still be a delay before the public opening.

Presumably there will be another edition of the map by then? In any case,
it would perhaps mislead people to show it on maps many months before it
opens.

wrote:
On 5 Jan 2021 09:46:34 GMT
Marland wrote:
Recliner wrote:
The official version is up:
https://content.tfl.gov.uk/standard-tube-map.pdf



Is the Northern line Battersea extension still due to open later this year?

Have the contractors been packed off home to save them from the geriatrics
virus or are they still working?

You can see them working in this photo:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eq4VGfoXIAE3qrb?format=jpg&name=large

On Tue, 5 Jan 2021 10:08:40 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On 5 Jan 2021 09:46:34 GMT
Marland wrote:
Recliner wrote:
The official version is up:
https://content.tfl.gov.uk/standard-tube-map.pdf



Is the Northern line Battersea extension still due to open later this year?

Have the contractors been packed off home to save them from the geriatrics
virus or are they still working?

You can see them working in this photo:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eq4VGfoXIAE3qrb?format=jpg&name=large

Will they still be there tommorow though. I'm sure if they had a choice they
would be but safety culture and the current hysteria being what it is I
wouldn't be surprised if things were shut down.

Marland wrote:
Recliner wrote:
Basil Jet wrote:
On 16/12/2020 10:41, Recliner wrote:
Geoff celebrates the belated return of Thameslink to TfL's Tube Map, after
a long absence. And it's not just the core section, but as much as fits in
the extended zones. So the map now features over 500 stations:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZ5SQcdC48o

The map itself is not on the TfL site yet, but curiously is available at
https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/202...test-tube-map/

They've left Hadley Wood off, despite it being in Zone 6.

The kink in the Thameslink Line between City TL and the junction north
of St Pancras seems inexplicable.

The Bakerloo Line shouldn't enter Elephant at the same angle that the
Denmark Hill branch leaves.

Maidenhead and Reading are still portrayed north of the Thames!


The official version is up:
https://content.tfl.gov.uk/standard-tube-map.pdf



Is the Northern line Battersea extension still due to open later this year?
If so then this edition of the map will have a short lifetime, in fact I’m
surprised the extension isn’t on there in some way even if it was shown as
a dotted or dashed line with an “opening soon� addendum.
Previous maps in the past have done so , it maybe TFL doesn’t want to
repeat the example of the never completed Northern Heights extensions which
appeared on maps and route diagrams before the scheme was abandoned. I
don’t think that will happen to the Battersea one especially as trains
under their own power have been doing testing runs in the past few weeks
but could opening be put back due to the C word.


https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/tag/northern-line-extension/


Anna Noyd-Dryver

On 05/01/2021 10:07, Recliner wrote:

Yes, I believe it's still due to open this year and, as you say, test
trains started running last month. The stations appear near-complete at
platform level. TfL just says, "The extension is scheduled to be completed
in autumn 2021". Note the careful use of the word 'completed' as opposed to
'open'.

I don't know if there's any dependency on the surface development projects
for the stations to open? For example, the Battersea Power Station Station
is incorporated in one of the new surface blocks, which may need to be
finished before the LU station can open. So, even if the LU work is all
complete, there could still be a delay before the public opening.

Presumably there will be another edition of the map by then? In any case,
it would perhaps mislead people to show it on maps many months before it
opens.

Extensions under construction have been shown on tube maps much more
recently than the Northern Heights and Denham debacles. You want people
to move to the area and be waiting to commute on your opening day. That
might not be so relevant for Crossrail but it is relevant for Battersea.

I presume the "test trains" are extensions of passenger services? Are
they making a real effort to throw people off at Kennington? Do all the
trains go there or do some still go around the Kennington loop? Are
there still Morden via Charing Cross trains?

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Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
Marland wrote:
Recliner wrote:
Basil Jet wrote:
On 16/12/2020 10:41, Recliner wrote:
Geoff celebrates the belated return of Thameslink to TfL's Tube Map, after
a long absence. And it's not just the core section, but as much as fits in
the extended zones. So the map now features over 500 stations:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZ5SQcdC48o

The map itself is not on the TfL site yet, but curiously is available at
https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/202...test-tube-map/

They've left Hadley Wood off, despite it being in Zone 6.

The kink in the Thameslink Line between City TL and the junction north
of St Pancras seems inexplicable.

The Bakerloo Line shouldn't enter Elephant at the same angle that the
Denmark Hill branch leaves.

Maidenhead and Reading are still portrayed north of the Thames!


The official version is up:
https://content.tfl.gov.uk/standard-tube-map.pdf



Is the Northern line Battersea extension still due to open later this year?
If so then this edition of the map will have a short lifetime, in fact I’m
surprised the extension isn’t on there in some way even if it was shown as
a dotted or dashed line with an “opening soon� addendum.
Previous maps in the past have done so , it maybe TFL doesn’t want to
repeat the example of the never completed Northern Heights extensions which
appeared on maps and route diagrams before the scheme was abandoned. I
don’t think that will happen to the Battersea one especially as trains
under their own power have been doing testing runs in the past few weeks
but could opening be put back due to the C word.


https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/tag/northern-line-extension/


It occurs to me that Crossrail also has an unofficial, internal target to
start running passenger services through the central tunnels this autumn,
subject to the imminent trial running (ie, simulated full passenger
service) going well.

So there's a possibility that both could open at about the same time — I
wonder if TfL might seek to do so on the same day, or deliberately stagger
them?

On 05/01/2021 10:53, Recliner wrote:
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
Marland wrote:
Recliner wrote:
Basil Jet wrote:
On 16/12/2020 10:41, Recliner wrote:
Geoff celebrates the belated return of Thameslink to TfL's Tube Map, after
a long absence. And it's not just the core section, but as much as fits in
the extended zones. So the map now features over 500 stations:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZ5SQcdC48o

The map itself is not on the TfL site yet, but curiously is available at
https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/202...test-tube-map/

They've left Hadley Wood off, despite it being in Zone 6.

The kink in the Thameslink Line between City TL and the junction north
of St Pancras seems inexplicable.

The Bakerloo Line shouldn't enter Elephant at the same angle that the
Denmark Hill branch leaves.

Maidenhead and Reading are still portrayed north of the Thames!


The official version is up:
https://content.tfl.gov.uk/standard-tube-map.pdf



Is the Northern line Battersea extension still due to open later this year?
If so then this edition of the map will have a short lifetime, in fact I’m
surprised the extension isn’t on there in some way even if it was shown as
a dotted or dashed line with an “opening soon� addendum.
Previous maps in the past have done so , it maybe TFL doesn’t want to
repeat the example of the never completed Northern Heights extensions which
appeared on maps and route diagrams before the scheme was abandoned. I
don’t think that will happen to the Battersea one especially as trains
under their own power have been doing testing runs in the past few weeks
but could opening be put back due to the C word.


https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/tag/northern-line-extension/


It occurs to me that Crossrail also has an unofficial, internal target to
start running passenger services through the central tunnels this autumn,
subject to the imminent trial running (ie, simulated full passenger
service) going well.

So there's a possibility that both could open at about the same time — I
wonder if TfL might seek to do so on the same day, or deliberately stagger
them?

I suspect TfL will open them without prior announcement, especially if
Covid is still around.

wrote:
On 05/01/2021 10:53, Recliner wrote:
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
Marland wrote:
Recliner wrote:
Basil Jet wrote:
On 16/12/2020 10:41, Recliner wrote:
Geoff celebrates the belated return of Thameslink to TfL's Tube Map, after
a long absence. And it's not just the core section, but as much as fits in
the extended zones. So the map now features over 500 stations:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZ5SQcdC48o

The map itself is not on the TfL site yet, but curiously is available at
https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/202...test-tube-map/

They've left Hadley Wood off, despite it being in Zone 6.

The kink in the Thameslink Line between City TL and the junction north
of St Pancras seems inexplicable.

The Bakerloo Line shouldn't enter Elephant at the same angle that the
Denmark Hill branch leaves.

Maidenhead and Reading are still portrayed north of the Thames!


The official version is up:
https://content.tfl.gov.uk/standard-tube-map.pdf



Is the Northern line Battersea extension still due to open later this year?
If so then this edition of the map will have a short lifetime, in fact I’m
surprised the extension isn’t on there in some way even if it was shown as
a dotted or dashed line with an “opening soon� addendum.
Previous maps in the past have done so , it maybe TFL doesn’t want to
repeat the example of the never completed Northern Heights extensions which
appeared on maps and route diagrams before the scheme was abandoned. I
don’t think that will happen to the Battersea one especially as trains
under their own power have been doing testing runs in the past few weeks
but could opening be put back due to the C word.


https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/tag/northern-line-extension/


It occurs to me that Crossrail also has an unofficial, internal target to
start running passenger services through the central tunnels this autumn,
subject to the imminent trial running (ie, simulated full passenger
service) going well.

So there's a possibility that both could open at about the same time — I
wonder if TfL might seek to do so on the same day, or deliberately stagger
them?

I suspect TfL will open them without prior announcement, especially if
Covid is still around.


I don't think Covid will be a factor by the autumn. It'll still be around,
but less of a bother than winter flu.
Crossrail, of course, is opening in a number of phases, and the version
that might just open this autumn won't be the full service. For example,
there won't be through trains from the western arm, and the tunnel might
initially only see trains from Abbey Wood. Those two remaining links may
open next year.

They presumably hope HM will perform the opening ceremony when "One's" line
is formally opened under its official brand. I assume the Elizabeth Line
name will be used once the central tunnel and new stations are opened, even
if all the sections don't yet have through services. So that could happen
this autumn.

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They presumably hope HM will perform the opening ceremony when "One's"
line
is formally opened under its official brand. I assume the Elizabeth Line
name will be used once the central tunnel and new stations are opened,
even
if all the sections don't yet have through services. So that could happen
this autumn.

I wonder how many people will use the name "Elizabeth Line" in normal
parlance, compared with those that call it "Crossrail [Line]". I bet it gets
abbreviated to "Liz Line" ;-)