London Transport (uk.transport.london) Discussion of all forms of transport in London.

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #41   Report Post  
Old January 5th 21, 10:05 AM posted to uk.railway,uk.transport.london
external usenet poster
 
First recorded activity at LondonBanter: Jan 2021
Posts: 22
Default Thameslink returns to the Tube Map

On 5 Jan 2021 09:46:34 GMT
Marland wrote:
Recliner wrote:
The official version is up:
https://content.tfl.gov.uk/standard-tube-map.pdf



Is the Northern line Battersea extension still due to open later this year?


Have the contractors been packed off home to save them from the geriatrics
virus or are they still working?


  #42   Report Post  
Old January 5th 21, 10:07 AM posted to uk.railway,uk.transport.london
external usenet poster
 
First recorded activity at LondonBanter: Jul 2019
Posts: 801
Default Thameslink returns to the Tube Map

Marland wrote:
Recliner wrote:
Basil Jet wrote:
On 16/12/2020 10:41, Recliner wrote:
Geoff celebrates the belated return of Thameslink to TfL's Tube Map, after
a long absence. And it's not just the core section, but as much as fits in
the extended zones. So the map now features over 500 stations:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZ5SQcdC48o

The map itself is not on the TfL site yet, but curiously is available at
https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/202...test-tube-map/

They've left Hadley Wood off, despite it being in Zone 6.

The kink in the Thameslink Line between City TL and the junction north
of St Pancras seems inexplicable.

The Bakerloo Line shouldn't enter Elephant at the same angle that the
Denmark Hill branch leaves.

Maidenhead and Reading are still portrayed north of the Thames!


The official version is up:
https://content.tfl.gov.uk/standard-tube-map.pdf



Is the Northern line Battersea extension still due to open later this year?
If so then this edition of the map will have a short lifetime, in fact I’m
surprised the extension isn’t on there in some way even if it was shown as
a dotted or dashed line with an “opening soon” addendum.
Previous maps in the past have done so , it maybe TFL doesn’t want to
repeat the example of the never completed Northern Heights extensions which
appeared on maps and route diagrams before the scheme was abandoned. I
don’t think that will happen to the Battersea one especially as trains
under their own power have been doing testing runs in the past few weeks
but could opening be put back due to the C word.


Yes, I believe it's still due to open this year and, as you say, test
trains started running last month. The stations appear near-complete at
platform level. TfL just says, "The extension is scheduled to be completed
in autumn 2021". Note the careful use of the word 'completed' as opposed to
'open'.

I don't know if there's any dependency on the surface development projects
for the stations to open? For example, the Battersea Power Station Station
is incorporated in one of the new surface blocks, which may need to be
finished before the LU station can open. So, even if the LU work is all
complete, there could still be a delay before the public opening.

Presumably there will be another edition of the map by then? In any case,
it would perhaps mislead people to show it on maps many months before it
opens.
  #43   Report Post  
Old January 5th 21, 10:08 AM posted to uk.railway,uk.transport.london
external usenet poster
 
First recorded activity at LondonBanter: Jul 2019
Posts: 801
Default Thameslink returns to the Tube Map

wrote:
On 5 Jan 2021 09:46:34 GMT
Marland wrote:
Recliner wrote:
The official version is up:
https://content.tfl.gov.uk/standard-tube-map.pdf



Is the Northern line Battersea extension still due to open later this year?


Have the contractors been packed off home to save them from the geriatrics
virus or are they still working?


You can see them working in this photo:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eq4VGfoXIAE3qrb?format=jpg&name=large

  #44   Report Post  
Old January 5th 21, 10:14 AM posted to uk.railway,uk.transport.london
external usenet poster
 
First recorded activity at LondonBanter: Jan 2021
Posts: 22
Default Thameslink returns to the Tube Map

On Tue, 5 Jan 2021 10:08:40 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On 5 Jan 2021 09:46:34 GMT
Marland wrote:
Recliner wrote:
The official version is up:
https://content.tfl.gov.uk/standard-tube-map.pdf



Is the Northern line Battersea extension still due to open later this year?


Have the contractors been packed off home to save them from the geriatrics
virus or are they still working?


You can see them working in this photo:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eq4VGfoXIAE3qrb?format=jpg&name=large


Will they still be there tommorow though. I'm sure if they had a choice they
would be but safety culture and the current hysteria being what it is I
wouldn't be surprised if things were shut down.

  #45   Report Post  
Old January 5th 21, 10:26 AM posted to uk.railway,uk.transport.london
external usenet poster
 
First recorded activity at LondonBanter: Jan 2015
Posts: 298
Default Thameslink returns to the Tube Map

Marland wrote:
Recliner wrote:
Basil Jet wrote:
On 16/12/2020 10:41, Recliner wrote:
Geoff celebrates the belated return of Thameslink to TfL's Tube Map, after
a long absence. And it's not just the core section, but as much as fits in
the extended zones. So the map now features over 500 stations:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZ5SQcdC48o

The map itself is not on the TfL site yet, but curiously is available at
https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/202...test-tube-map/

They've left Hadley Wood off, despite it being in Zone 6.

The kink in the Thameslink Line between City TL and the junction north
of St Pancras seems inexplicable.

The Bakerloo Line shouldn't enter Elephant at the same angle that the
Denmark Hill branch leaves.

Maidenhead and Reading are still portrayed north of the Thames!


The official version is up:
https://content.tfl.gov.uk/standard-tube-map.pdf



Is the Northern line Battersea extension still due to open later this year?
If so then this edition of the map will have a short lifetime, in fact I’m
surprised the extension isn’t on there in some way even if it was shown as
a dotted or dashed line with an “opening soon” addendum.
Previous maps in the past have done so , it maybe TFL doesn’t want to
repeat the example of the never completed Northern Heights extensions which
appeared on maps and route diagrams before the scheme was abandoned. I
don’t think that will happen to the Battersea one especially as trains
under their own power have been doing testing runs in the past few weeks
but could opening be put back due to the C word.


https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/tag/northern-line-extension/


Anna Noyd-Dryver



  #46   Report Post  
Old January 5th 21, 10:41 AM posted to uk.railway,uk.transport.london
external usenet poster
 
First recorded activity at LondonBanter: Sep 2014
Posts: 1,357
Default Battersea Extension (was Thameslink returns to the Tube Map)

On 05/01/2021 10:07, Recliner wrote:

Yes, I believe it's still due to open this year and, as you say, test
trains started running last month. The stations appear near-complete at
platform level. TfL just says, "The extension is scheduled to be completed
in autumn 2021". Note the careful use of the word 'completed' as opposed to
'open'.

I don't know if there's any dependency on the surface development projects
for the stations to open? For example, the Battersea Power Station Station
is incorporated in one of the new surface blocks, which may need to be
finished before the LU station can open. So, even if the LU work is all
complete, there could still be a delay before the public opening.

Presumably there will be another edition of the map by then? In any case,
it would perhaps mislead people to show it on maps many months before it
opens.


Extensions under construction have been shown on tube maps much more
recently than the Northern Heights and Denham debacles. You want people
to move to the area and be waiting to commute on your opening day. That
might not be so relevant for Crossrail but it is relevant for Battersea.

I presume the "test trains" are extensions of passenger services? Are
they making a real effort to throw people off at Kennington? Do all the
trains go there or do some still go around the Kennington loop? Are
there still Morden via Charing Cross trains?

--
Basil Jet recently enjoyed listening to
Meat Puppets - 1999 - You Love Me EP
  #47   Report Post  
Old January 5th 21, 10:53 AM posted to uk.railway,uk.transport.london
external usenet poster
 
First recorded activity at LondonBanter: Jul 2019
Posts: 801
Default Thameslink returns to the Tube Map

Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
Marland wrote:
Recliner wrote:
Basil Jet wrote:
On 16/12/2020 10:41, Recliner wrote:
Geoff celebrates the belated return of Thameslink to TfL's Tube Map, after
a long absence. And it's not just the core section, but as much as fits in
the extended zones. So the map now features over 500 stations:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZ5SQcdC48o

The map itself is not on the TfL site yet, but curiously is available at
https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/202...test-tube-map/

They've left Hadley Wood off, despite it being in Zone 6.

The kink in the Thameslink Line between City TL and the junction north
of St Pancras seems inexplicable.

The Bakerloo Line shouldn't enter Elephant at the same angle that the
Denmark Hill branch leaves.

Maidenhead and Reading are still portrayed north of the Thames!


The official version is up:
https://content.tfl.gov.uk/standard-tube-map.pdf



Is the Northern line Battersea extension still due to open later this year?
If so then this edition of the map will have a short lifetime, in fact I’m
surprised the extension isn’t on there in some way even if it was shown as
a dotted or dashed line with an “opening soon” addendum.
Previous maps in the past have done so , it maybe TFL doesn’t want to
repeat the example of the never completed Northern Heights extensions which
appeared on maps and route diagrams before the scheme was abandoned. I
don’t think that will happen to the Battersea one especially as trains
under their own power have been doing testing runs in the past few weeks
but could opening be put back due to the C word.


https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/tag/northern-line-extension/


It occurs to me that Crossrail also has an unofficial, internal target to
start running passenger services through the central tunnels this autumn,
subject to the imminent trial running (ie, simulated full passenger
service) going well.

So there's a possibility that both could open at about the same time — I
wonder if TfL might seek to do so on the same day, or deliberately stagger
them?
  #48   Report Post  
Old January 5th 21, 11:08 AM posted to uk.railway,uk.transport.london
external usenet poster
 
First recorded activity at LondonBanter: Jul 2019
Posts: 53
Default Thameslink returns to the Tube Map

On 05/01/2021 10:53, Recliner wrote:
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
Marland wrote:
Recliner wrote:
Basil Jet wrote:
On 16/12/2020 10:41, Recliner wrote:
Geoff celebrates the belated return of Thameslink to TfL's Tube Map, after
a long absence. And it's not just the core section, but as much as fits in
the extended zones. So the map now features over 500 stations:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZ5SQcdC48o

The map itself is not on the TfL site yet, but curiously is available at
https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/202...test-tube-map/

They've left Hadley Wood off, despite it being in Zone 6.

The kink in the Thameslink Line between City TL and the junction north
of St Pancras seems inexplicable.

The Bakerloo Line shouldn't enter Elephant at the same angle that the
Denmark Hill branch leaves.

Maidenhead and Reading are still portrayed north of the Thames!


The official version is up:
https://content.tfl.gov.uk/standard-tube-map.pdf



Is the Northern line Battersea extension still due to open later this year?
If so then this edition of the map will have a short lifetime, in fact I’m
surprised the extension isn’t on there in some way even if it was shown as
a dotted or dashed line with an “opening soon” addendum.
Previous maps in the past have done so , it maybe TFL doesn’t want to
repeat the example of the never completed Northern Heights extensions which
appeared on maps and route diagrams before the scheme was abandoned. I
don’t think that will happen to the Battersea one especially as trains
under their own power have been doing testing runs in the past few weeks
but could opening be put back due to the C word.


https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/tag/northern-line-extension/


It occurs to me that Crossrail also has an unofficial, internal target to
start running passenger services through the central tunnels this autumn,
subject to the imminent trial running (ie, simulated full passenger
service) going well.

So there's a possibility that both could open at about the same time — I
wonder if TfL might seek to do so on the same day, or deliberately stagger
them?

I suspect TfL will open them without prior announcement, especially if
Covid is still around.
  #49   Report Post  
Old January 5th 21, 11:22 AM posted to uk.railway,uk.transport.london
external usenet poster
 
First recorded activity at LondonBanter: Jul 2019
Posts: 801
Default Thameslink returns to the Tube Map

wrote:
On 05/01/2021 10:53, Recliner wrote:
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
Marland wrote:
Recliner wrote:
Basil Jet wrote:
On 16/12/2020 10:41, Recliner wrote:
Geoff celebrates the belated return of Thameslink to TfL's Tube Map, after
a long absence. And it's not just the core section, but as much as fits in
the extended zones. So the map now features over 500 stations:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZ5SQcdC48o

The map itself is not on the TfL site yet, but curiously is available at
https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/202...test-tube-map/

They've left Hadley Wood off, despite it being in Zone 6.

The kink in the Thameslink Line between City TL and the junction north
of St Pancras seems inexplicable.

The Bakerloo Line shouldn't enter Elephant at the same angle that the
Denmark Hill branch leaves.

Maidenhead and Reading are still portrayed north of the Thames!


The official version is up:
https://content.tfl.gov.uk/standard-tube-map.pdf



Is the Northern line Battersea extension still due to open later this year?
If so then this edition of the map will have a short lifetime, in fact I’m
surprised the extension isn’t on there in some way even if it was shown as
a dotted or dashed line with an “opening soon” addendum.
Previous maps in the past have done so , it maybe TFL doesn’t want to
repeat the example of the never completed Northern Heights extensions which
appeared on maps and route diagrams before the scheme was abandoned. I
don’t think that will happen to the Battersea one especially as trains
under their own power have been doing testing runs in the past few weeks
but could opening be put back due to the C word.


https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/tag/northern-line-extension/


It occurs to me that Crossrail also has an unofficial, internal target to
start running passenger services through the central tunnels this autumn,
subject to the imminent trial running (ie, simulated full passenger
service) going well.

So there's a possibility that both could open at about the same time — I
wonder if TfL might seek to do so on the same day, or deliberately stagger
them?

I suspect TfL will open them without prior announcement, especially if
Covid is still around.


I don't think Covid will be a factor by the autumn. It'll still be around,
but less of a bother than winter flu.
Crossrail, of course, is opening in a number of phases, and the version
that might just open this autumn won't be the full service. For example,
there won't be through trains from the western arm, and the tunnel might
initially only see trains from Abbey Wood. Those two remaining links may
open next year.

They presumably hope HM will perform the opening ceremony when "One's" line
is formally opened under its official brand. I assume the Elizabeth Line
name will be used once the central tunnel and new stations are opened, even
if all the sections don't yet have through services. So that could happen
this autumn.
  #50   Report Post  
Old January 5th 21, 11:36 AM posted to uk.railway,uk.transport.london
external usenet poster
 
First recorded activity at LondonBanter: Nov 2019
Posts: 19
Default Thameslink returns to the Tube Map

"Recliner" wrote in message
...

They presumably hope HM will perform the opening ceremony when "One's"
line
is formally opened under its official brand. I assume the Elizabeth Line
name will be used once the central tunnel and new stations are opened,
even
if all the sections don't yet have through services. So that could happen
this autumn.


I wonder how many people will use the name "Elizabeth Line" in normal
parlance, compared with those that call it "Crossrail [Line]". I bet it gets
abbreviated to "Liz Line" ;-)



Reply
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules

Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
October half-term - 50% off all SWT off-peak day returns! Michael R N Dolbear London Transport 8 October 22nd 14 07:30 AM
"Mind the Gap Tube announcement returns after wife's plea" Sampo Smolander London Transport 1 March 11th 13 06:36 AM
Wood Lane roundel returns martin London Transport 8 May 18th 10 11:14 AM
Route 395 returns? Chris Read London Transport 5 July 28th 07 08:30 PM
Cheap Day Returns validity Paul Weaver London Transport 0 September 6th 04 06:29 PM


All times are GMT. The time now is 07:49 PM.

Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright 2004-2021 London Banter.
The comments are property of their posters.
 

About Us

"It's about London Transport"

 

Copyright © 2017