On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 09:21:50 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

But on the lines I've used, the 3+2 seating is a disaster, as people
really *hate* sitting three abreast, particularly when they are used to
2+2. Asking to sit in the middle seat, which usually has about six
inches of width showing, is taken as a personal insult.

This is true, though it partly depends on the body width of the train
concerned - and on Merseyside my experience was that people *do* sit
on the third seat in the height of the peak, albeit reluctantly. Of
course, Merseysiders won't have the option any more because the
refurbished 50x units are fitted with 2+2 facing seating with almost
InterCity-level spacing and comfort...

Mind you, the upper deck 2+2 of the German DD sets, especially the
slightly smaller Eastern-style ones, is as bad. The space up there is
only really suited to 2+1. Shoulder room is especially cramped (you
thought UK tilt-profile units were bad...)

Neil

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On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 20:13:07 GMT, Neil Williams wrote:
Mind you, the upper deck 2+2 of the German DD sets, especially the
slightly smaller Eastern-style ones, is as bad. The space up there is
only really suited to 2+1.

You mean 1.5 + 1.5 :-)

But the newer DD coaches are much better.

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Rian

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On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 20:13:07 GMT, (Neil
Williams) wrote:



Mind you, the upper deck 2+2 of the German DD sets, especially the
slightly smaller Eastern-style ones, is as bad. The space up there is
only really suited to 2+1. Shoulder room is especially cramped (you
thought UK tilt-profile units were bad...)

It *is* 2 + 1 in first class. I spent 3 hours on one yesterday
morning. I didn't find the gauge impinging too badly on me, and there
was a power point for my laptop.

No carpets though - it doesn't exactly *look* like first class, and so
thought quite a few people who were very bemused when asked by the
gripper to either move to second class or pay a supplement!




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