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Ken says yes to Crystal Palace tram extension
"David Bradley" wrote in message
... Yep, that will do nicely; stick a couple of poles on top for eco friendly operation and hey presto a rubber tyred tram without all that hassell of utility diversion during construction and a world bank loan to build a tramway. David Bradley Have you ever posted a message to Usenet that didn't advocate trolleybuses? -- John Rowland - Spamtrapped Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001 http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood. That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line - It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes |
Ken says yes to Crystal Palace tram extension
On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 12:39:39 +0100, "John Rowland"
wrote: "David Bradley" wrote in message .. . Yep, that will do nicely; stick a couple of poles on top for eco friendly operation and hey presto a rubber tyred tram without all that hassell of utility diversion during construction and a world bank loan to build a tramway. David Bradley Have you ever posted a message to Usenet that didn't advocate trolleybuses? Well one thing is for sure there's never going to be an extensive tramway system in London and the cost of fuel oil is going to rise year on end until supplies are exhausted. Only public transport that is electrically feed from an external source is viable today, and that remains so for many years to come, despite al the trials of alternative fuels currently being pursued. In the same way that 20 years ago trams were viewed as yesterdays technology, and yet today they are a mode a transit that most cities desire; the same scenario continues for rubber tyred trams or trolleybuses or whatever trendy name you wish to use. There is nothing wrong in raising awareness of what is happening elsewhere in Europe in the public transport arena* and considering if we should adopt similar solutions in the UK. I happen to believe there is a place for trolleybus operations here and that their new image will indeed be a step change with a significant modal change for passengers. But before that happens they have to be at least on the agenda for serious consideration and not swept under the carpet with sarcastic one line messages. David Bradley * Geneva now has new double artic trolleybuses |
Ken says yes to Crystal Palace tram extension
"David Bradley" wrote in message
... On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 12:39:39 +0100, "John Rowland" wrote: "David Bradley" wrote in message .. . Yep, that will do nicely; stick a couple of poles on top for eco friendly operation and hey presto a rubber tyred tram without all that hassell of utility diversion during construction and a world bank loan to build a tramway. David Bradley Have you ever posted a message to Usenet that didn't advocate trolleybuses? Well one thing is for sure there's never going to be an extensive tramway system in London and the cost of fuel oil is going to rise year on end until supplies are exhausted. Only public transport that is electrically feed from an external source is viable today, and that remains so for many years to come, despite al the trials of alternative fuels currently being pursued. In the same way that 20 years ago trams were viewed as yesterdays technology, and yet today they are a mode a transit that most cities desire; the same scenario continues for rubber tyred trams or trolleybuses or whatever trendy name you wish to use. There is nothing wrong in raising awareness of what is happening elsewhere in Europe in the public transport arena* and considering if we should adopt similar solutions in the UK. I happen to believe there is a place for trolleybus operations here and that their new image will indeed be a step change with a significant modal change for passengers. But before that happens they have to be at least on the agenda for serious consideration and not swept under the carpet with sarcastic one line messages. David Bradley * Geneva now has new double artic trolleybuses I'll take that as a "no" then. -- John Rowland - Spamtrapped Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001 http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood. That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line - It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes |
Ken says yes to Crystal Palace tram extension
On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 15:53:42 +0100, "John Rowland"
wrote: "David Bradley" wrote in message .. . On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 12:39:39 +0100, "John Rowland" wrote: "David Bradley" wrote in message .. . snip Have you ever posted a message to Usenet that didn't advocate trolleybuses? snip I'll take that as a "no" then. I am at a loss to understand why someone would wish to knock another fellow public transit supporter and lifetime enthusiast who is making an attempt to improve services in London. Last time I looked this was a Usenet discussion group on transport matters relating to London, so my occassional postings on trolleybuses seems appropriate here. Not everything I post here relates to trolleybuses alone as I have a much wider interest than that mode of transit. It is however interesting to note you have picked up my relatively few postings [or rantings if that's how you feel] on trolleybuses. Clearly someone is making notes on what I say judging by discussions at the recent GLA meeting on transport. Apart from reporting on events, either here or through your web site, what contribution are you actually making to the improvement of public transport in the Capital? We would all like to know! David Bradley |
Ken says yes to Crystal Palace tram extension
David Bradley wrote:
On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 15:53:42 +0100, "John Rowland" wrote: "David Bradley" wrote in message ... On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 12:39:39 +0100, "John Rowland" wrote: "David Bradley" wrote in message ... snip Have you ever posted a message to Usenet that didn't advocate trolleybuses? snip I'll take that as a "no" then. I am at a loss to understand why someone would wish to knock another fellow public transit supporter and lifetime enthusiast who is making an attempt to improve services in London. Last time I looked this was a Usenet discussion group on transport matters relating to London, so my occassional postings on trolleybuses seems appropriate here. Not everything I post here relates to trolleybuses alone as I have a much wider interest than that mode of transit. It is however interesting to note you have picked up my relatively few postings [or rantings if that's how you feel] on trolleybuses. Clearly someone is making notes on what I say judging by discussions at the recent GLA meeting on transport. Apart from reporting on events, either here or through your web site, what contribution are you actually making to the improvement of public transport in the Capital? We would all like to know! Lighten up, David! -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
Ken says yes to Crystal Palace tram extension
On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 12:23:45 +0930, (Aidan Stanger)
wrote: PRAR wrote: On Wed, 29 Sep 2004, (Aidan Stanger) wrote: So it does look like the tramlink will bring a worse train service to Crystal Palace after all... Are you sure there aren't the paths at Norwood Junction? What's limiting their number? Mostly they are all already in use by Southern, Thameslink & South Eastern, and more are about to be swallowed up by back extensions of the Uckfield services to London Bridge. Wouldn't those use the fast lines? Possibly, but rememeber there are 4 thameslinks, plus 2 Tattenhams and the South Eastern already using those fast lines. There's also a few odd operational lowlights including: trains to West Croydon can only use platform 5 or 6, there's a flat crossing on top of Cottage Bridge which creates conflicts on the slow lines, Where is Cottage Bridge? I thought the only flat crossings in that area were the depot access ones. It's next to Lupin Bridge! It's where the Up London Bridge slow leaves the Up Victoria slow (Milepost 9-68). Cottage Bridge is effectively where the up London Bridge lines change from paired by use to paired by direction. Thameslink trains via Crystal Palace to East Croydon (and points south) are always crossed to the fast lines North of Norwood Junction. You could bring platform 7 back into use and use that for terminating trains at though. Apart from a signal upgrade, what would be required for a tube type service on the Croydon lines? PRAR -- http://www.i.am/prar/ As long as people will accept crap, it will be financially profitable to dispense it. Dick Cavett Please reply to the newsgroup. That is why it exists. NB Anti-spam measures in force - If you must email me use the Reply to address and not |
Ken says yes to Crystal Palace tram extension
On Wed, 29 Sep 2004, David Bradley wrote:
On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 15:53:42 +0100, "John Rowland" wrote: "David Bradley" wrote in message .. . On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 12:39:39 +0100, "John Rowland" wrote: "David Bradley" wrote in message .. . snip Have you ever posted a message to Usenet that didn't advocate trolleybuses? snip I'll take that as a "no" then. I am at a loss to understand why someone would wish to knock another fellow public transit supporter and lifetime enthusiast who is making an attempt to improve services in London. Listen! And understand! John Rowland is out there. He can't be bargained with! He can't be reasoned with! He doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And he absolutely will not stop, ever, until he gets bored! (with apologies to James Cameron) tom -- roger and kay payne, symmetry, piercing, archaeology, position, in ,, |
Ken says yes to Crystal Palace tram extension
"Tom Anderson" wrote in message
... Listen! And understand! John Rowland is out there. He can't be bargained with! He can't be reasoned with! He doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And he absolutely will not stop, ever, until he gets bored! **** you, asshole! ;-) -- John Rowland - Spamtrapped Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001 http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood. That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line - It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes |
Ken says yes to Crystal Palace tram extension
On Tue, 28 Sep 04 19:09:27 GMT, (Charles
Ellson) wrote: Your second statement suggests vehicle lengths on the public highway that would be totally unacceptable. From the Highway Code:- "Take care where trams (which can be up to 60 metres [196ft] in length) run along the road." That sounds rather like official acceptance/anticipation of more than two vehicles coupled together. The Highway Code is available online at http://www.highwaycode.gov.uk/ I have spent a fair while looking through all the obvious places where that statement might be but was unable to find this piece of information. Could someone please say where in this electronic document it can be found? David Bradley |
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