Dave Arquati ) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
saying :

Although in favour of speeding up buses, I wonder whether it might
better serve the interests of both bus users and motorists to introduce
a rule which makes it compulsory to let buses leaving a bus stop pull
out. Unfortunately I suspect the problem would be enforcement - on-bus
cameras might be an option, but they're expensive and it's another thing
for the driver to worry about.

Hmmm. I can foresee a slight problem with that - it won't be long before a
bus driver just pulls straight out into traffic without looking "because
they have to give way to me" and causes an accident. With any luck, it
won't be a motorbike or a bicycle that's going past him at the time.

Adrian wrote:
Dave Arquati ) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
saying :


Although in favour of speeding up buses, I wonder whether it might
better serve the interests of both bus users and motorists to introduce
a rule which makes it compulsory to let buses leaving a bus stop pull
out. Unfortunately I suspect the problem would be enforcement - on-bus
cameras might be an option, but they're expensive and it's another thing
for the driver to worry about.


Hmmm. I can foresee a slight problem with that - it won't be long before a
bus driver just pulls straight out into traffic without looking "because
they have to give way to me" and causes an accident. With any luck, it
won't be a motorbike or a bicycle that's going past him at the time.

Although surely if this rule were the case and the bus driver had
signalled to pull out, then whoever subsequently overtakes is the one
causing the accident rather than the bus driver.

--
Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

Dave Arquati ) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying :

Although in favour of speeding up buses, I wonder whether it might
better serve the interests of both bus users and motorists to
introduce a rule which makes it compulsory to let buses leaving a bus
stop pull out.

Hmmm. I can foresee a slight problem with that - it won't be long
before a bus driver just pulls straight out into traffic without
looking "because they have to give way to me" and causes an accident.
With any luck, it won't be a motorbike or a bicycle that's going past
him at the time.

Although surely if this rule were the case and the bus driver had
signalled to pull out, then whoever subsequently overtakes is the one
causing the accident rather than the bus driver.

You're assuming the bus driver will signal and will pause long enough
before pulling out to allow the traffic to react to that signal.

"Dave Arquati" wrote in message
...
Although surely if this rule were the case and the bus driver had
signalled to pull out, then whoever subsequently overtakes is the one
causing the accident rather than the bus driver.

So at what point does it become the fault of the overtaker? A slow-moving
cyclist could take quite a few seconds to pass a stopped bus, and what if
the bus starts indicating just as the bike has passed the rear indicator?

I can confirm I have been on the wrong side of a bus when the driver decided
that he would just pull out. it was on a wide road in London, where I would
have had enough space to overtake a "normal" road vehicle which would have
been pulling out from the same spot. However, the bus decided it would
indicate and, simultaneously, pull out right into the side of my car.
Luckily only minor scratches were obtained, but it could easily have been
much worse if, as you state, My car were a bicycle or motorbike!

Current government policy is to stop Londoners from enjoying the roads as we
should, and instead they are forcing everybody to travel on the HIGHLY
inadequate public transport. I am sure it will not be long before TfL is
taken to the EU Court of Human Rights by someone who feels they have the
right to choose comfort over bus


"Adrian" wrote in message
. 1.4...
Dave Arquati ) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were
saying :

Although in favour of speeding up buses, I wonder whether it might
better serve the interests of both bus users and motorists to introduce
a rule which makes it compulsory to let buses leaving a bus stop pull
out. Unfortunately I suspect the problem would be enforcement - on-bus
cameras might be an option, but they're expensive and it's another thing
for the driver to worry about.

Hmmm. I can foresee a slight problem with that - it won't be long before a
bus driver just pulls straight out into traffic without looking "because
they have to give way to me" and causes an accident. With any luck, it
won't be a motorbike or a bicycle that's going past him at the time.

"Philip Mason" wrote in message
...
I can confirm I have been on the wrong side of a bus when the driver
decided that he would just pull out. it was on a wide road in London,
where I would have had enough space to overtake a "normal" road vehicle
which would have been pulling out from the same spot. However, the bus
decided it would indicate and, simultaneously, pull out right into
the side of my car. Luckily only minor scratches were obtained, but
it could easily have been much worse if, as you state, My car were
a bicycle or motorbike!

Of course, one of these "trained professionals" recently did the self-same
thing on Blackfriars Bridge. He either didn't bother to look for the bicycle
on his right, or didn't care. Either way, the cyclist was killed.

In message , at 17:11:01 on Tue, 5 Oct
2004, Philip Mason remarked:
Current government policy is to stop Londoners from enjoying the roads as we
should, and instead they are forcing everybody to travel on the HIGHLY
inadequate public transport. I am sure it will not be long before TfL is
taken to the EU Court of Human Rights by someone who feels they have the
right to choose comfort over bus

A bit of a London-centric view, that. People outside the M25 would kill
to get a public transport service a tenth as good as that inside.
--
Roland Perry

In article ,
Roland Perry wrote:
A bit of a London-centric view, that. People outside the M25
would kill to get a public transport service a tenth as
good as that inside.

And over 60's outside the GLC area would kill to have free travel
over such a large area.

--
Tony Bryer

--- "Philip Mason" said:

I am sure it will not be long before TfL is
taken to the EU Court of Human Rights
by someone who feels they have the
right to choose comfort over bus


But surely comfort is, by its very nature, a luxury and not a fundamental
human right?

Philip Mason wrote:
I can confirm I have been on the wrong side of a bus when the driver
decided that he would just pull out. it was on a wide road in London,
where I would have had enough space to overtake a "normal" road
vehicle which would have been pulling out from the same spot.
However, the bus decided it would indicate and, simultaneously, pull
out right into the side of my car. Luckily only minor scratches were
obtained, but it could easily have been much worse if, as you state,
My car were a bicycle or motorbike!

Current government policy is to stop Londoners from enjoying the
roads as we should, and instead they are forcing everybody to travel
on the HIGHLY inadequate public transport. I am sure it will not be
long before TfL is taken to the EU Court of Human Rights by someone
who feels they have the right to choose comfort over bus


Since when has there been the right to drive a car?